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Keep in mind that it will be VERY hard to drive with no power steering or power brakes, and it WILL drink your ethanol-laced gas faster than a football team drinking free lemonaide on a hot day!

As for safety, it has NONE. It has a single master cylinder driving drum brakes, no shoulder harnesses, and the rear end will slide around and lock the brakes every time it rains. The headlights are about as bright as a Walmart flashlight with worn batteries. The fact that it is old and all steel also does NOT make it safe, no matter how many stories people tell in this forum or voice their opinion about modern 'junk' cars.

This is not a vehicle you want to drive every day at 50-70 MPH. If it is a "haul some stuff around the farm" truck, it would be great. If you are thinking of driving it in heavy traffic, or in wet weather, don't do it.

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BTW, if you're interested in restoring/collecting/repairing antique trucks, particularly unusual 4wd trucks like this one, there's a really good magazine you should look for. Vintage Truck ( Vintage Truck Magazine ) is one of the best written, most interesting antique vehicle magazines out there. I subscribed to it for over 10 years w/o owning an antique truck just because it was so interesting to read.

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I guess, as a lifetime motorcyclist, I don't get all of the candy a$$ed replies regarding this truck. It would seem that the, general, consensus is, "If you try to drive this truck, you will surely die or at least be horribly maimed." My God, it only has a single master cylinder. Heavens!!! Drum brakes??? Suicide!!!! No power brakes??? No way you can push the pedal with the strength of your leg only!!! "You'll put your eye out, Kid".

Excuse me. I'm going to wrap a big chain around my bike so I can't ride it and hide under the bed, wearing my full body condom, with all of the other Chicken Littles

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A sign of modern times, John...:rolleyes:

We yap and yammer about getting youngsters involved in this hobby, and then when one comes up with an interesting vehicle, the nannies start in and do everything they can to discourage the kid from tackling a project. No wonder they run away from us in droves.

I look at it this way. Tackling something like this, that is not in really hateful condition, will teach a kid resourcefulness, patience, and time and money management. It will help the kid develop mechanical and possibly metalworking and soft trim skills that can be used when he's ready to take on a more difficult project.

What did you lot do with your first cars, that did not have all the government-mandated, insurance lobby-influenced safety equipment? You drove them, you repaired them, you improved them as time and money were available. And you had a good time.

I believe Austin has already indicated this won't be a daily commuter vehicle and if he makes some money off it he can put into his next old car, more power. If he doesn't make a dime off it, he's gained invaluable experience.

Austin, buy the damn truck, before I drive an hour to Greensboro and buy it myself.

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This needs to be reread. Thanks for posting it John.

I guess, as a lifetime motorcyclist, I don't get all of the candy a$$ed replies regarding this truck. It would seem that the, general, consensus is, "If you try to drive this truck, you will surely die or at least be horribly maimed." My God, it only has a single master cylinder. Heavens!!! Drum brakes??? Suicide!!!! No power brakes??? No way you can push the pedal with the strength of your leg only!!! "You'll put your eye out, Kid".

Excuse me. I'm going to wrap a big chain around my bike so I can't ride it and hide under the bed, wearing my full body condom, with all of the other Chicken Littles

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Hi, I like the truck a lot. The price seems very good. But the price of gas has kept many nice trucks like this in back yards around me. I have a 1966 1/2 ton that used to be a fairly regular driver, but all the previous comments regarding usability in modern traffic are all to true. Mine will be back on the road fairly soon but on a 76 disk braked chassis and a Cummins diesel. You cant imagine how expensive fuel is today for a truck like this. Even a few short hops quickly empty the tank, and it's over $100.00 to fill. { I am in Canada so gas is about 20 % higher than the U.S.} Obviously the 4 by 4 chassis isn't too easy to adapt to disks but it can be done. And a dual master system from a mid 70's truck is a straight forward change. These things are trucks however, and unless you NEED a truck I would leave it for someone else. I use mine for swap meets and towing my car trailer. Otherwise I use my car. As others have said; potential for learning on old vehicles 100%, potential for profit, slim to none. If you like the truck idea I would look for a 1/2 ton or even better a Ranchero. Best of luck! Greg

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Austin, my second truck was a 69' 3/4 ton "Farm and Ranch Special" w/ a 360 engine. No power stearing or brakes. Did have automatic and factory air.

It's gonna drive like a truck,period. Don't let that scare you. No power was normal for years. As long as the truck is moving, stearing is not really a problem. Gas mileage is gonna suck.

At 16 the odds are if you drive very much at all, you will end up dinging or scratching it. Happened to both my kids and most of their friends (me too for that matter). My advice is buy it,drive the heck out of it, don't worry about the dings or scratches and in a yr. or two, sell it and get something else you want. Better a 2K truck that gets messed up than a 5K car. Just my 2 cents worth.

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Great looking truck Austin, Hope you pick it up soon. I have a '66 Ford 3/4 ton with a service body. It's a rock solid work horse and very reliable. You don't need power steering, these old trucks turn very easy. And the double master cylinder is overrated. When was the last time you heard of someone bursting a brake line. You still have the E-brake in the unlikely event of brake failure. And I cannot for the life of me figure out why anyone would want a lighter duty p/u. That truck is usable, just imagine how impressed your girl friend will be when you tow your boat to the lake and still have plenty of load capacity for all the camping gear. You need this pick-up!

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The only deal breaker for me would be rust. With the possible exception of chrome, rust is the most expensive thing to deal with. The mechanicals of this truck are very simple. There is ample room to reach things and parts are likely to be easy to find.

If it talks to you, go for it.

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I have a 1962 F-250 4x4 that I have run for years. Just started it the other day infact after it has been sitting for a year or more. It has a 272 V8. The biggest problem that you will have is the rear brake drums if they go bad, thin, or crack. They are different than the two wheel drive rear drums as the bolt pattern end is dished one inch more than the standard drums. The rear 4x4 drums are no longer avalible. I, 20 years ago, use to trailer with my 1962 ford truck often and never has any real problem stopping it. Of course I did in later years update it to a two stage master just for safetys sake. My truck originaly had a 223 CID 6 cylinder, with a 3 on the tree, which was underpowered for the truck. I still sometimes plow my driveway with it in the winter. She's a tough old war wagon. :cool: Dandy Dave!

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I guess, as a lifetime motorcyclist, I don't get all of the candy a$$ed replies regarding this truck. It would seem that the, general, consensus is, "If you try to drive this truck, you will surely die or at least be horribly maimed." My God, it only has a single master cylinder. Heavens!!! Drum brakes??? Suicide!!!! No power brakes??? No way you can push the pedal with the strength of your leg only!!! "You'll put your eye out, Kid".

Excuse me. I'm going to wrap a big chain around my bike so I can't ride it and hide under the bed, wearing my full body condom, with all of the other Chicken Littles

Yep, more name-calling. Just what this forum needed!

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Yep, more name-calling. Just what this forum needed!

Oh Please!! What would you call it? Do you not think that much of the advise given this kid regarding the truck is a bit "Chicken Littleish"? I do not see it as name calling and I am not a name caller. I merely point out the obvious. I prefer to think of myself as being "refreshingly candid". Some peoples skin is so thin I can see their bones. It may, at some level, be well intended advise, but the whole idea of this truck being a deathtrap or a 3/4 ton Christine is pure crap, plain and simple.

The current issue of Hemmings Classic Cars has a short article on a FWD 3/4 ton 61 F-250. The owner, thankfully still alive, loves it and accepts is shorcomings

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1937hd45,

If you are serious...

Have you not heard of DPC? That truck would make an excellent DPC vehicle for this young man, unless he wants to limit how much work he does and enters it in HPOF. It would be welcome on any AACA Showfield in either class.

If you are just trying to be "over the top" we have enough of that in this discussion already...

Let's all work to encourage this young man in the hobby, instead of bickering...

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We have a discussion going on the BCA page about mentoring new people, as well as showing cars how they were made and not over-restored to a level that could never be equaled in a mass production facility of 30, 40 or 50 years ago. A lot of positive thoughts...

As for calling people names, John, if you check the name of this post, the guy was ASKING for people's opinions. Narrow-minded and quick to judge people only chase people away from this forum, rather than encourage a free exchange of ideas.

YOU have to decide for yourself if your comments are building people up or tearing them down. The rest of the world already sees them for what they are.....

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We have a discussion going on the BCA page about mentoring new people, as well as showing cars how they were made and not over-restored to a level that could never be equaled in a mass production facility of 30, 40 or 50 years ago. A lot of positive thoughts...

As for calling people names, John, if you check the name of this post, the guy was ASKING for people's opinions. Narrow-minded and quick to judge people only chase people away from this forum, rather than encourage a free exchange of ideas.

YOU have to decide for yourself if your comments are building people up or tearing them down. The rest of the world already sees them for what they are.....

If you will have your mother read my posts to you again, you will find that I have been nothing but encouraging towards the poster as far as buying and fixing up this old truck. If I was nearby, I would offer my shop and tools to him if he needed help. Narrow minded!?!?! No mention, from you, of all the negative posts telling him how he's going to die in this truck because it has a single master cylinder and drum brakes, Yeah, I'm narrow minded. Oh, wait, that sounds like name calling to me. Hmmm, pot, kettle, black?

As the chosen voice of the rest of the world, I deign to your authority and will comment no further on this subject. 37HD was right, sometimes you just can't win.

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Very few of you guys on here were narrow minded. A lot of you argued both the negatives and the positives.

Let's just take it easy... everyone is entitled to their own opinions, and all of your opinions of helped me greatly, no matter what they were...

I am glad you are pointing out the safety issues, however, I don't mind taking a risk like that. It's a part of life... The only real issue I'm worried about is putting fuel in it :(:P

I am going to buy the truck, as long as it runs as good as the owner says it does... Like I said before, the truck is in NC, and I'm in PA. However, my dad is in NC. He's going to take it for a test drive, for me, when he finds the time...

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Let's just take it easy... everyone is entitled to their own opinions, and all of your opinions of helped me greatly, no matter what they were...

Austin, do not worry about the bickering or allow it to discourage you. It is what we seem to do and we enjoy being given a topic to discuss. Hope you did indeed receive some useful input, I say again it is a good deal and would be quite easy to work on, good luck, Todd C

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Let's just take it easy... everyone is entitled to their own opinions, and all of your opinions of helped me greatly, no matter what they were...

Austin, If you think that some persons have a negitive opinion, just mention that you are going to put a 350 into it! LOL

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Austin, I bought a new '69 F-100 custom cab 2x4; paid $3,000 for it. 360-inch V-8, long bed. I added west coast mirrors to it but had no power steering or power brakes. Drove it to work daily @ 60-65 mph on 2-lane blacktop. Got good service for 100,000 miles. Rust issues on the bed caused by industrial emissions where I worked finally compelled me to get rid of it. It was a 15 mpg truck except when I hauled a load of furniture home from Charlottesville, VA and made the mistake of tying a 7-foot high headboard upright behind the cab. MPG dropped below 10 that trip. Should have tied it along the side of the bed but oh well. I loved my truck and I bet you will like the '66.

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It looks like a decent truck from the pics but if you buy it just because 61 to 66s look alike alot of the parts wont interchange,alot of parts from a 66 2WD will not fit it since its a 4X4 and it has more in common withn the 61 to 64s (pre twin I beam) then it does with the 65/66 2WDs. That 57 to 60 style bed is original on 4X4s and 61 to 63 non unibody trucks as the 64 to 66 2WDs have a better matching bed.

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I guess, as a lifetime motorcyclist, I don't get all of the candy a$$ed replies regarding this truck. It would seem that the, general, consensus is, "If you try to drive this truck, you will surely die or at least be horribly maimed."

Excuse me. I'm going to wrap a big chain around my bike so I can't ride it and hide under the bed, wearing my full body condom, with all of the other Chicken Littles

John,

One of the posters you are referencing providing counter point for Austin is me. My words to him were from real world experiences and certainly did not contain incindiary comments such as "a$$ed" and "you will surely die" and f--- b--- c----- etc"

I was trying to counterpoint that these vehicles were made in a different era for a different purpose and have drawbacks in modern traffic. This is from my own experience not something I read.

Austin sort of clarified that he has no intent of making this a daily driver, so I have later post pointing out how much Ilike ths tyling of the car and recommending the purchase for specific old vehicle ownership pleasures.

It's just that I distinctly remember that when I owned this truck and drove it daily to work, I would come out of the house relaxed, having had my coffee and cereal, climb in, start it up then "bing" a light bulb would come on and I would get into this intense focus to drive the truck the 10 miles to work.

It was a manual transmission truck, with no PS and no PB. I used to scan my perimeter a lot closer, check the flow of traffic ahead of me a lot closer and drive slower, which resulted in some middle finger salutes from zippy modern cars.

I felt this was useful information for Austin to consider before buying the truck. Like my dad checking out a car I wanted to buy when I was 16.

Sometimes I would get to work and be a little stressed out from driving it. That's all I am saying. I don't that's a candy a$$ed statement whatever that is.

You could have easily said -

"I don't agree with those guys saying don't buy this truck because it's hard to drive. That might be true but it is driveable and you can learn to drive it in modern traffic. I say go for it!"

In many cases, I needed extra length to stop the beast. At the time my wife had a Honda. After using it for a weekend, then getting in the truck, I would have to check myself and go OK, you aren't driving a Honda anymore, allow more space.

They should not used for daily drivers. Austin stated "I am not going to use it for daily driving". I said "Oh, well in that case certainly consider buying it".

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Austin, I bought a new '69 F-100 custom cab 2x4; paid $3,000 for it. 360-inch V-8, long bed. I added west coast mirrors to it but had no power steering or power brakes. I loved my truck and I bet you will like the '66.

John,

Automatic or manual?

I always thought in the equation of PS, PB, and auto/manual for my 66 F250 that had I had either PS or automatic then the truck would have been driveable in modern traffic but when a person is wrenching the truck to go one way with non-PS and trying to shift a clutch and brake at the same time, it's gets dicey.

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driving a car or a truck with a manual transmission is "dicey"? Really?

that is a new one ...

a proper steering system does not need anyone to "return" it to center ...

Jim,

Dicey with manual drum brakes, manual steering, manual 4 speed, modern traffic yes. My 71 Chevy Custom Camper has PS, has PB and a manual - not so bad. You picked a certain point out of my post. I also own a 74 Datsin 260Z with 4 speed but it's much lighter and tuned as a sports car for maneuvers.

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From the peanut gallery, having grown-up with my Grandad's '65 F-100 .

Check VERY CAREFULLY for rot: the '61-'8? Ford PUs were NOTORIOUS for cab rot:

Front cab supports

Rear Cab supports

Front inner-fenders

Rocker panels.

That rusty "snail-trail" down the firewall from under the Master Cylinder indicates that it is leaking; you will need to rebuild the entire brake system ( to be safe ): New Master and Wheel Cylinders, new steel tubing, new flex hoses. New brake shoes, hardware and drums as needed depending on what you find inside. While you're in there, replace the wheel bearing seals, front and rear...

If you want to upgrade to a dual-circuit Master Cylinder and split brake plumbing, okay; but if you correctly rebuild the stock system, it should be adequate; I have never had a properly rebuilt "single pot" system fail on me in 25+ years.

Then there's the suspension - make sure everything is within reasonable safety specs.

Some suspension, driveline and brake parts will be harder/ more $$$ to find for a 4WD truck.

As for driveability, one thing that our younger folks may not be aware of, is that most pre-1975 trucks were NOT designed to fly down the highway at 75+ MPH... they were utility vehicles intended to haul heavy pay-loads. This was especially true of Four-wheel drive vehicles. They have stump-puller rear-ends, for pulling, and usually don't like to cruise faster than 50-55 mph.

It will be very fuel hungry.

If it has no power steering or brakes, it will be a handfull to drive.

I don't know that "it's a steal" at $2,000, especially if you are planning to make money on it.

If the sheetmetal is perfect and there's no rust, then it might be reasonably priced.

I also am skeptical on "easily doubling your money"...

This looks like a well-preserved stock Ford 4WD; which is pretty uncommon - most of these noble beasts were flogged to death, and then flogged some more... when they would no longer pass safety inspections and run on the roads, they were relegated to plow dogs and back-woods crawlers for "up at the cabin"...

The '65-'66 Ford trucks are one of my favorite all-time truck designs; personally, I would like to see a truck like this be respectfully conserved and enjoyed...

Just my opinions; Austin, do your research and be thoughtful.

Good luck !

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John,

One of the posters you are referencing providing counter point for Austin is me. My words to him were from real world experiences and certainly did not contain incindiary comments such as "a$$ed" and "you will surely die" and f--- b--- c----- etc"

I was trying to counterpoint that these vehicles were made in a different era for a different purpose and have drawbacks in modern traffic. This is from my own experience not something I read.

Austin sort of clarified that he has no intent of making this a daily driver, so I have later post pointing out how much Ilike ths tyling of the car and recommending the purchase for specific old vehicle ownership pleasures.

It's just that I distinctly remember that when I owned this truck and drove it daily to work, I would come out of the house relaxed, having had my coffee and cereal, climb in, start it up then "bing" a light bulb would come on and I would get into this intense focus to drive the truck the 10 miles to work.

It was a manual transmission truck, with no PS and no PB. I used to scan my perimeter a lot closer, check the flow of traffic ahead of me a lot closer and drive slower, which resulted in some middle finger salutes from zippy modern cars.

I felt this was useful information for Austin to consider before buying the truck. Like my dad checking out a car I wanted to buy when I was 16.

Sometimes I would get to work and be a little stressed out from driving it. That's all I am saying. I don't that's a candy a$$ed statement whatever that is.

You could have easily said -

"I don't agree with those guys saying don't buy this truck because it's hard to drive. That might be true but it is driveable and you can learn to drive it in modern traffic. I say go for it!"

In many cases, I needed extra length to stop the beast. At the time my wife had a Honda. After using it for a weekend, then getting in the truck, I would have to check myself and go OK, you aren't driving a Honda anymore, allow more space.

They should not used for daily drivers. Austin stated "I am not going to use it for daily driving". I said "Oh, well in that case certainly consider buying it".

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We have a discussion going on the BCA page about mentoring new people, as well as showing cars how they were made and not over-restored to a level that could never be equaled in a mass production facility of 30, 40 or 50 years ago. A lot of positive thoughts...

As for calling people names, John, if you check the name of this post, the guy was ASKING for people's opinions. Narrow-minded and quick to judge people only chase people away from this forum, rather than encourage a free exchange of ideas.

YOU have to decide for yourself if your comments are building people up or tearing them down. The rest of the world already sees them for what they are.....

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If you will have your mother read my posts to you again, you will find that I have been nothing but encouraging towards the poster as far as buying and fixing up this old truck. If I was nearby, I would offer my shop and tools to him if he needed help. Narrow minded!?!?! No mention, from you, of all the negative posts telling him how he's going to die in this truck because it has a single master cylinder and drum brakes, Yeah, I'm narrow minded. Oh, wait, that sounds like name calling to me. Hmmm, pot, kettle, black?

As the chosen voice of the rest of the world, I deign to your authority and will comment no further on this subject. :cool:37HD was right, sometimes you just can't win. __________________

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Novaman, is relatively close to there. Perhaps David will chime in with an offer to take a look at it with you the next time you are down. I am a few hours away, but if nobody else can help, let me know and I can look at it with you. I have some experience with 61-66 Ford Trucks as I previously owned a 1964 and went through a few parts trucks as well.

You're right Matt, but if I remember right, Randy Stone lives in Greensboro and he's into Fords.

If that truck is what you want, I'd grab it, but see what the owner's bottom dollar us. Send your money to your uncle and see if he'll keep the truck at his house until you can get down to get the truck home.

If you're in to build it and make a profit, you're better off to buy something else. Remember that getting the truck home would cut into your investment.

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this is to the young man asking opinions of what to do, i'm a new member and am wondering what you did, if you did buy of didn't am very interested in this vehicle, my parents had this exact truck when they were married. It was sold about 10 yrs ago and basically ran into the ground and scraped. If you didn't buy it would really appreciate contact info on how to reach owner and if you did am interested if you'd be willing to sell. As I said I'm very interested in this truck my dad bought new and traded in a 63 split window vet for this, would like to have one for him to drive again before its to late, mother past so only limited time to find one. Thank you for any help you can provide. email, lenards3@hotmail.com, 906 280-1455

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Even though this is an old thread, I will answer it as if you haven't done anything AND hopefully some advice for other newcomers to the hobby.

As a guy who grew up in the old car hobby and have a 16 year old daughter that is about as crazy about old cars as I am, let me give you a little advice.

If all you want is an old vehicle to restore, I would pass on this one and buy something a little more practical that you could enjoy on a daily basis without it costing you an arm and a leg, easier to drive, etc. If, on the otehr hand, you have a real desire to own an old 3/4 ton pickup, then this one looks to be a good deal.

As others have said, buying a car to turn a profit is not always a good thing. It can be done but is best left to those folks that have been in the hobby a long time and have conenctions, knowledge of values, etc. rather than a 16 year old. Not trying to talk you out of the hobby - in fact just the opposite but you need to go into it with the expectation that (1) it is going to take time and money to make this truck into a nice dependable truck and (2) when you are done, you won't recover all that money.

Just remember if the truck could turn a quick profit, someone would have already done most likely.

If you have already purcahsed it, give us an update on how things are going

BOB

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I've been driving my '65 F100 now for over 12 years, granted it now has a 460, P/S, P/B and a C6 automatic, but the ride is good and it cruises the interstate at 75 (I did have a higher ratio rear differential installed) with no problems. The H.D. 250 and 4X4 I'm sure will make the ride worse, but I'd buy it anyway. - RICK

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I tried to read all posts but got tired of the ones who think that w/o power everything it's unsafe. How did any of us ever live this long? Sheesh. That truck is a great vehicle for a 1st set of wheels and if you keep it in decent shape, it will not let you down mechanically or value. Yes it won't be cheap to own, so save some $ and buy a $700 POS car for everyday or longer trips.

It is sofa-king easy to replace the master cylinder with a dual power master cylinder setup. You can get a pwr master/booster for drum/drum brake setup for a 67 Galaxie/mustang from most any local parts house (should bolt right in) and feel better about stopping. Power steering is also not difficult to install, but is more costly. The kid is 16! If he can't turn the wheel then he has bigger problems than this truck.

Add 3 point seatbelts (about $100) and have some fun!

Buy the truck, love the truck, drive the truck, learn about the truck! Do not listen to all the ones who have old vehicles yet seem to think yours is too unsafe and not worthy. Seems pretty ironic.

As near as I can tell about 3500 of these were produced so you do have a rare truck. I'd be surprised if there were more than 25% of them left.

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If all you want is an old vehicle to restore, I would pass on this one and buy something a little more practical that you could enjoy on a daily basis without it costing you an arm and a leg, easier to drive, etc. If, on the otehr hand, you have a real desire to own an old 3/4 ton pickup, then this one looks to be a good deal.

BOB

I didn't buy it. I was simply not in the situation to take on a project like that. I ended up making a quick $200 in the process, though. I was asking all my friends, and my dad's friends for their opinion, and one of them was interested in the truck themselves. They ended up buying it, and giving me a 10% finder's fee. I helped them load the truck up onto their trailer, and I was happy with how it played out.

Like I said; the truck was in NC and I live in PA. I was only spending so much time in NC because my uncle had passed away, and I was helping my dad work on his house, so we could sell it. It wouldn't have been worth it to move it transport it the whole way back to PA. However, I do believe if you lived in NC and had the proper tools/accommodations, you could have either made a profit, or came out even restoring this truck. Even if you didn't restore it, I believe the truck was worth much more than $2,000 the way it stood.

The person who bought it is going to get it up to running condition, and use it on their farm.

You're right, Bob... It is better for me to look for something more practical, and etc. Also, I don't think it's the right time in my life to start working on a project like this...

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As near as I can tell about 3500 of these were produced so you do have a rare truck. I'd be surprised if there were more than 25% of them left.

Yes, there were only 3500 of them. The owner had all the original manuals and books that came with it. He had a book that showed all the different Ford trucks that were produced that year, and how many were made of each model, etc. The thing that made it so rare was the fact that it had 4 wheel drive...

Like I said, I think you would have at least broke even with that truck... It just wasn't right for me, personally... I'm sure the person who bought it will love it, though. It's perfect for their needs; a farm truck.

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