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Barry Wolk

1958 Continental Mark III w/suicide doors

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My dad, Elmer Rohn, got them, he worked for Continental Division after being recruited from Fisher Body.

We showed them to Barry several years ago and finally got them over to him so he could get them coped to share with others.

my mom still has the original leather bound presentation book (cover):

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more info over at the mark II forum:

http://www.markiiforum.com

Thanks for the info. The stretched Mark II based Mark III that you

showed must have been planned before it was decided to base

the 1958 Lincolns and Continentals on a unit body. Very interesting.

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Strong, yes, but not the same. The headlights in the picture above and in the sectional drawing set are the same size and the Berline does not have them. The Berlone is more slab-sided while the Mark III more closely follows the Mark II.

I thought you might like to see what the final Mark III Berline styling

looked like. They got as far as the wooden die model of this design

before the Ford bean counters decided to make the 1958 Mark III

a slightly modified Lincoln.

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I believe that these prints were for a different project. This headlight bezel cross section seems to more closely match the green picture.

This print is dated March of '56. That would be about right for final drawings for a '58, correct?

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Edited by Barry Wolk (see edit history)

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I believe that these prints were for a different project. This headlight bezel cross section seems to more closely match the green picture.

This print is dated March of '56. That would be about right for final drawings for a '58, correct?

Binder1_Page_26.jpg

If the car in your plans had a 131" wheelbase and a unit body,

then it was probably the same project that I posted pictures of.

The differences seem to be variations on the same theme.

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BOF and 132" wheelbase. See drawings in original post.

Different car than you pictured.

I could be wrong, but the the Mark III in the first post was designed

before it was decided to change Lincoln and Continental from BOF

to Unit construction. According to "Ford Design Department - Concepts

and Show Cars", after that change was made, the plan originally was for

the two cars to share the same unit chassis but have different sheet metal.

After the wooden die model for the Mark III was completed and the design

was presented to Ford management in early in 1956, the Mark III project

was canceled so as not to spend money on two different bodies. The

date on the headlight plan you posted (3-22-56) seems to fit with this

time line. I'm posting the following pictures to show you what I mean.

1) The BOF Mark III

2) The Mark III profile from your plans

3) The Unit body Mark III final clay model

4) The Unit body Mark III wooden die model

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I disagree. Sectional drawings are done after the buck, correct? The buck changes until it reaches its final form and the drawings are made from that. Isn't that correct? Or do I have it backwards?

I believe that this car was clearly BOF.

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I disagree. Sectional drawings are done after the buck, correct? The buck changes until it reaches its final form and the drawings are made from that. Isn't that correct? Or do I have it backwards?

I believe that this car was clearly BOF.

Generally, after the clay model is completed, templates and dimensions

are taken from it as a basis for the design drawings and the wooden

die model. The die model is traced by a device which transfers and mills its'

contours into prototype stamping dies. These dies would be used to

produce the body panels to construct a running prototype car. Any changes

to the design after this point would have to be minor because the next

step is producing the dies for mass production.

BTW, do your plans show a chassis? That would answer the question of

BOF vs Unit.

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You sir, are correct!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This drawing clearly shows that this is a unit body car, not BOF.

Too bad they didn't make the '58 Lincoln a suicide-door car.

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I could be wrong, but the the Mark III in the first post was designed

before it was decided to change Lincoln and Continental from BOF

to Unit construction. According to "Ford Design Department - Concepts

and Show Cars", after that change was made, the plan originally was for

the two cars to share the same unit chassis but have different sheet metal.

After the wooden die model for the Mark III was completed and the design

was presented to Ford management in early in 1956, the Mark III project

was canceled so as not to spend money on two different bodies. The

date on the headlight plan you posted (3-22-56) seems to fit with this

time line. I'm posting the following pictures to show you what I mean.

1) The BOF Mark III

Which is actually a proposed Continental Mark II 4 door

see title of picture below:

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2) The Mark III profile from your plans

3) The Unit body Mark III final clay model

4) The Unit body Mark III wooden die model

Edited by Jim Rohn (see edit history)

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You sir, are correct!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This drawing clearly shows that this is a unit body car, not BOF.

Too bad they didn't make the '58 Lincoln a suicide-door car.

Binder1_Page_08-1.jpg

Another mystery solved! Thanks.

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This appears to be the car in the drawings.

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The clay model for the Mark III was revised many times before the

final design was decided upon. This looks like an early version with

a lot of Mark II overtones. It still would have looked better than

what they really built.

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On July 5, 2010 at 11:36 AM, Jim Rohn said:

My dad, Elmer Rohn, got them, he worked for Continental Division after being recruited from Fisher Body.

We showed them to Barry several years ago and finally got them over to him so he could get them coped to share with others.

my mom still has the original leather bound presentation book (cover):

IMG_0766.jpg

more info over at the mark II forum:

http://www.markiiforum.com

 

We will be looking for a forever home for this item as I continue to thin the massive stash my dad accumulated. PM me through this site

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