Guest ImperialNorth Posted March 23, 2010 Share Posted March 23, 2010 In chatting with Larry, he tells me that buying and installing the replacement gear in the odometer is only addressing the symptom, not the problem. Does anyone know if you can buy a rebuilt unit or do you have to try and repair the one we have currently? I was hopping if I could find a rebuilt unit then I could hang onto the one that's in the car for future useRegardsGlen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BarelyFit Posted March 23, 2010 Share Posted March 23, 2010 I am aware of the symptom; what is the problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ImperialNorth Posted March 24, 2010 Share Posted March 24, 2010 I bought my car in November and the odometer quit a couple months prior to me buying the car. More recent bills for service work supports their claim. So I would like to get it working again before I put too many miles on the car Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mtworkshop Posted March 24, 2010 Share Posted March 24, 2010 The stopped odometer is the symptom. The cause is the gear has disintegrated in most cases. The fix is to replace the gear. I have done four of them. If the gear doesn't fix the problem then the problem is the transmitter. The MANUAL tells how to check for a bad transmitter. All you have to do is look at the gear to tell if it is bad. Every Chrysler TC has the problem at about 64K miles. Good luck.mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark_Blodgett Posted March 24, 2010 Share Posted March 24, 2010 I had the same problem. Mine went out at 123K. replaced the gear works fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ImperialNorth Posted March 24, 2010 Share Posted March 24, 2010 So wheres a good place to buy just the gear? I will have it installed here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LouZ Posted March 24, 2010 Share Posted March 24, 2010 Sometimes problems are caused by design or manufacturing deficiencies. In this case it was an excess. The plastic gears are a molded reinforced plastic that we sometimes refer to as Nylon. They run very well without lube. The factory used a grease that hardens like a rock. Between the gear weakening with age, and the oil drying out of the grease base causing it to harden. The gear is broken. I do not know what lube is best to use. Lou Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TCParts Posted March 24, 2010 Share Posted March 24, 2010 I did an article on the this for the TC America newsletter, using information that Ed Peters, one of the engineers on the TC project in Italy provided. The speedometer heads were sourced in Japan not just for the TC, but all Chrysler speedometer heads from that era. The first few thousand used a bad lubricant which gums up the small white or blue gears. If the lubricant is on the rollers, they too will fail. We get in a number of units where owners try to repair their units just using the gear and end up breaking the connections on the circuit board or fail to remove and replace the lubricant on the rollers.In addition, probably the MOST common way the gears break are when an owner pushes in the reset button for the trip meter and the bezel around the instrument cluster is warped and pushes against the button upward. If the button is pushed in on a sharp angle, the gears can strip. I always recommend that that bezel be pushed down when pushing the button in, to avoid the stripping of the gear. These issues have been addressed in the TC America newsletters several times over the past few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LouZ Posted March 24, 2010 Share Posted March 24, 2010 Hi Larry, I noticed there seemed like there was some kind of interferience created when the reset was used. Thanks for the explaination. I still don't know what is the best grease to use on the plastic gears. I have been using Lubriplate. Can you recommend anything better. ~ ~ ~ That also includes the plastic gears on the Top Pull-Down. TKS, Lou Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mtworkshop Posted March 24, 2010 Share Posted March 24, 2010 Odometer Gears | 72 Croatan Road | Newport News, VA 23606 | 757.593.3478 $25.00 for the small gear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelbyone Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 which is the correct one?20 tooth gear — All Dodge/Chrysler except Dodge Monaco16 tooth base — All Dodge/Chrysler except Dodge Monacofound hereOdometer Gears | 72 Croatan Road | Newport News, VA 23606 | 757.593.3478Odometer Gears | 72 Croatan Road | Newport News, VA 23606 | 757.593.3478 $25.00 for the small gear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mtworkshop Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 They are both right. One is big and not likely to be broken. One is small and is most likely the problem. Tell him to ship the little gear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jderden Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 Thank you mtworkshopThat is good info to know, my unit is defcective also.I have a copy of the instructions that was on line to change out the unit, and will share it, but I am not the owner or writer and do not know if it copyright protected, if the writer will give permission , will be glad to share.J.M. Derden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LouZ Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 (edited) jderden, That seems awfully silly. Did anyone give you Copyright privledges when you copied it for yourself.?? The intent of this forum is to share. There are no "Copyright" rules. This is not a "Bureaucratic extension of homeland security. It is just: FRIENDS HELPING FRIENDS. Lou Edited March 25, 2010 by LouZ (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jderden Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 LOuIf you understood the copywrite laws you would not ask such a "stuipd" question. Under the law I can copy for my own personnal use, but cant sell or dispearse it to general use, with out permission. Why dont you just shut up and quit showing haw stuipd you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BarelyFit Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 Oh man here we go again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LouZ Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 Hey guys It's entertainment time again.!.! Well I guess it's my turn to field the negative wrath of " mr short fuse ". Bless his heart,. It seems like he does have that problem. But I Gotta Tell Ya. It's hard to take somone seriously when they call you Stupid and don't know how to spell it. Now to the crux of my statement:A negative person always seems to find a reason to not be helpful to another; Whereas a positive type would have posted the link and would not have had any thought of "Copyright", or any thing else that would hinder the basic helpful attitude inherent to most of us... Y'All have a nice day now & enjoy, Y'Hear,, Lou Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest My TC Toy Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 Lou, welcome to the club. Membership is growing!!Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LouZ Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 Hey Bob, I haven't stopped laughing since I posted it:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BarelyFit Posted March 26, 2010 Share Posted March 26, 2010 GLOSSARYcopywright=copyrightstuipt=stupidpersonnal=personaldispearse=dispersedont=don'thaw=how Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest My TC Toy Posted March 26, 2010 Share Posted March 26, 2010 Pay attention, class. Next, open your books to .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TCParts Posted March 26, 2010 Share Posted March 26, 2010 If I may get on to the subject at hand... Lou, the lubricant for the pull-down gear is red lithium - available at quality auto shops in a black metal and cardboard tub about the size of hand grease remover or the old wheel bearing grease containers. It is around $5 or $6 - twice the price of the cheap stuff around here. Pretty much the only reason the gear or housing breaks is because a soft top is not adjusted properly. Note that there were at least 4 different versions of the pull down assembly and they do not necessarily interchange. The clear ones from GM are too thin, need to be filed to fit, and fracture easily. Someone not too long ago bragged about pulling five from a junkyard so he could keep on fixing his. It would be a whole lot easier to just have the top adjusted properly....For the odometer gears, I do not personally do ANY repairs on odometers. All the ones sent to us are done professionally by a shop that has been in business since the 1960's. For what it's worth, they tell me that they use "special" lubricant that is designed for the gears and remove old grease from the rollers. The ones they use are not the cheap ones that are available on the internet. They compared theirs to the cheap ones I bought on the internet and there is a noticeable difference in thickness and texture. At LEAST half of the units we get in have been previously repaired by a non-professional, and we have done hundreds over the past 15 years. Some fail at 15,000 miles and some fail at 250,000 miles. I believe the angle of the bezels causes more problems than the lubricant gumming up, but I only have 150 TCs, not thousands to compare, and issues in the low humidity desert are different than issues which happen in humid areas. Around here finding a non-warped dash bezel is only possible if there is a dash mat on it, so I recommend that the bezel is pushed down with one hand while pushing in the reset button with the other hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ImperialNorth Posted March 26, 2010 Share Posted March 26, 2010 What I am hearing from this is that I better leave well enough alone. If I could buy a rebuilt unit that could be swapped out for the original, I'd do it but to risk other problems, not going there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TCParts Posted March 26, 2010 Share Posted March 26, 2010 It is better to repair your old unit than leave it not working. With many repair shops, emissions stations, dealers and insurance companies reporting mileage to CarFax and other agencies (for a fee) a non-functioning odometer would show up as a box "c" and devalue your car. The reason we only repair odometers is that we do not have to report that to the Feds. If someone purchases a used odometer head it has to be reported as a "true mileage unknown" title. AZ laws are very strict on this and every aspect of dismantling vehicles. Nothing can be done without reporting the VIN to the proper agencies. Bonding, licensing and insurance is very expensive to run a legitimate business and we have to report monthly to the state on all activity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest d_voitel Posted March 26, 2010 Share Posted March 26, 2010 We have some pretty strict laws in Maryland as well. When a car is purchased, it has to go through a State inspection. If the odometer, speedometer aren't working, the vehicle won't pass inspection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jderden Posted March 26, 2010 Share Posted March 26, 2010 You are wasting your time trying to explain any law to this group, they don't understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwinCamFan Posted March 27, 2010 Share Posted March 27, 2010 Well, I sure as heck understand the noticeable difference in thickness and texture that Larry speaks of.:eek: Sorry, I was just being stuupid caus I wuz out drinkin twonight on the Vegas stripe:D Drownin my sauros aways.Nameless for feer of reprisal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest marvnewton Posted April 16, 2010 Share Posted April 16, 2010 hey jderden can you tell us who supplied the original photos and repair. Maybe we can contact him and get permission to re use it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jderden Posted April 16, 2010 Share Posted April 16, 2010 Istated in the first place, as long as it is not sold or published under another name. i made the statement so everyone would understand that I did not own it and was acknowledging that it belonged to the orginial publisher. louz tried to spin it to make fun of me, because I will not submit to his abuse and talking down to everyone. The information was at that time available to everyone in the group, including Louz if he wanted it. I just will not take credit for someone elses good work, and wanted everyone to know it was available but was someone elses work. I will certainly supply to anyone that needs it and provide the name of the originial owner to anyone of you guys that would like it, it just believe that the one that did all the work should get all the credit, he did a very good job. Thanks, Jderden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest marvnewton Posted April 16, 2010 Share Posted April 16, 2010 jderden will you send me a copy of odometer repair to marvnewton@comcast.net. I would appreciate it very much. Thank you, Marv Newton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Reichert Posted April 17, 2010 Share Posted April 17, 2010 Jeff Backes was the person that made the info on the odo repair. He can be contacted at Jeffrey Backes (jgbackes) on TwitterI'm not on Twitter so someone has to contact him and see if he still has the material, get permission to post it here, and OR send me what he has and I can add it on the Yahoo site directly so it won't be lost again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest marvnewton Posted April 21, 2010 Share Posted April 21, 2010 hey jderden I'm still waiting for a copy of the odometer repair. Are you going to sent it to me? marvnewton@comcast.net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest d_voitel Posted April 21, 2010 Share Posted April 21, 2010 (edited) Hi folks,I was doing some looking around for an answer to the odometer problem problem and unfortunately didn't find what I was looking for, however, I did find a website for odometer repair. Here it is: www.odometergears.com. They are a repair shop and claim to be able to repair odometers. There was an article with pictures and instructions on the web, but's disappeared. I believe there was a thread on this site about a year ago. Good hunting. Edited April 21, 2010 by d_voitel (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brewcitybroker Posted July 7, 2010 Share Posted July 7, 2010 So does anyone have the directions on the fix of the odometer- mine also went out. Is this something that your basic auto repair shop could do? Do you need special TC parts, or what? Sorry, not much of a auto mechanic type- appreciate any help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest My TC Toy Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 There is another thread just before this one I started a few weeks ago. Anyone wanting the instructions for the odometer gear repair send me a PM with your e-mail address. You can also post it here, but most people do not want to do that. I will send the info asap.Read the posts people!!Bob] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark_Blodgett Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 Call or contact Dr. T/C , Hemi will give you the answer and where to get the part,or parts. Phone 805-216-9257 or e-mail hemland@aol.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest d_voitel Posted July 11, 2010 Share Posted July 11, 2010 When I bought my '91, the odometer wasn't working and had to be repaired in order to pass MD inspection. The Chrysler dealer either fixed the odomater in house or sent it out for repair in order to pass inspection. It's now been two years and it's still working fine. Unfortunately I didn't ask how it was repaired. I paid the bill and went merrily on my way. The car gets looks whenever I take it out for a ride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest fwroger Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 I did an article on the this for the TC America newsletter, using information that Ed Peters, one of the engineers on the TC project in Italy provided. The speedometer heads were sourced in Japan not just for the TC, but all Chrysler speedometer heads from that era. The first few thousand used a bad lubricant which gums up the small white or blue gears. If the lubricant is on the rollers, they too will fail. We get in a number of units where owners try to repair their units just using the gear and end up breaking the connections on the circuit board or fail to remove and replace the lubricant on the rollers.In addition, probably the MOST common way the gears break are when an owner pushes in the reset button for the trip meter and the bezel around the instrument cluster is warped and pushes against the button upward. If the button is pushed in on a sharp angle, the gears can strip. I always recommend that that bezel be pushed down when pushing the button in, to avoid the stripping of the gear. These issues have been addressed in the TC America newsletters several times over the past few years.There is another thread just before this one I started a few weeks ago. Anyone wanting the instructions for the odometer gear repair send me a PM with your e-mail address. You can also post it here, but most people do not want to do that. I will send the info asap.Read the posts people!!Bob]may have to fwroger@gmail.com I am new to this site (first day)and find it helpful. Thank you again fwroger Please send whatever information you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest My TC Toy Posted April 16, 2011 Share Posted April 16, 2011 Fwroger, had an accident last week, the wife (as we affectionately call them in Newfoundland) came down to my rec room last week and lovingly said "this room could do with a refresh", well guess what I am doing now!Anyway I will send you the instructions this PM, assuming I can find my computer home.What can you do without them????BTW welcome to the site, hope you will visit us often. Hope you enjoy your TC as much as we do.Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Reelhappy Posted April 16, 2011 Share Posted April 16, 2011 fwrodger:) you have mail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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