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I've finally seen it all. At a local show today there was a 1936 Cord STREET ROD!

The hood wasn't open but the wipers were gone. There was a wood/aluminum steering wheel, a new flat wood dash with new S/W gages, chrome wheels, velour seats, and a floor shift.

Then there was the perfectly sound 1937 Olds convertable, with rumble seat. In it was, of course, a small block Chevy, a floor shift with a skull knob, some kind of ersatz leather buckets, and a white paint job with all the margins painted pink.

It's only by the grace of God I didn't have a gun or I would be in jail right now.........Bob

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I've finally seen it all. At a local show today there was a 1936 Cord STREET ROD!

And again, your purpose in starting this thread is WHAT, exactly?

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Basically because two rare and beautiful cars were butchered, and I was so appalled by the fruitless carnage I had to get it off my chest and this seemed a likely place to find an understanding ear.

Seems pretty straight forward to me....................Bob

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I seen a Cord convertible at a show in Indiana that I was sure was a reproduction body but as I looked close seen a original dash and then noticed latemodel gas and brake pedals so it looks like someone got to it.

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Bob,

My stand is to each his own. Cannot dictate to anyone what to do with their personal property. Must agree with Joe on this one.

Did you consider posting your issues on a Street Rod forum (gazzillion of them) to obtain their input. Would be interesting to say the least.

Regards,

Peter J.

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Grow up, get a life, save your money and buy these unrestored cars yourself. Please post some photos of your cars for us to enjoy.:)

I've finally seen it all. At a local show today there was a 1936 Cord STREET ROD!..................

It's only by the grace of God I didn't have a gun or I would be in jail right now.........Bob

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Bob,

My stand is to each his own. Cannot dictate to anyone what to do with their personal property. Must agree with Joe on this one.

Did you consider posting your issues on a Street Rod forum (gazzillion of them) to obtain their input. Would be interesting to say the least.

Regards,

Peter J.

Peter, of course any owner of any automobile can do as they please with said automobile. There is no disagreement there. In fact I don't see where there is any disagreement anywhere so I'm not sure what you are agreeing with.

What I was saying was that I was witness to two arguable works of art being destroyed and it both saddened and sickened me.

It made me feel a bit better to share my thoughts with a likely understanding group. Perhaps I was wrong.

And, before I'm called to task vis-a-vis the "gun" reference, it was pure hyperbole, I was certain everyone understood that.

As to asking what my point was. There was no point. Yeeesh..........Bob

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I've always liked the Cords and read most of the for sale ads I run across (for 40 years). I have always wondered why there are so many out there that are stripped of most parts.

I am guessing the one you saw was one of those shells at some point. Not even a hotrodder would toss out a 36/7 Cord dashboard, to put in modern stuff.. IMO

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Are you sure it was not a reproduction body as I think they were made at one time,the one I seen at the show looked completely stock except for the latemodel pedals.

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Grow up, get a life, save your money and buy these unrestored cars yourself. Please post some photos of your cars for us to enjoy.:)

The best place to see and enjoy my cars would be at one of the AACA Grand Nat. shows, or perhaps the Meadow Brook or Radnor Hunt Concours..................Bob

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Are you sure it was not a reproduction body as I think they were made at one time,the one I seen at the show looked completely stock except for the latemodel pedals.

I suppose that's possible, Jeff. I'm far from a Cord expert but I don't think so. It was a four door. It would be very nice if that was the case though........Bob

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There are alot of 36-37 cord shells out there. Believe it or not the guys in the ACD Club actually part them out. They are worth more in parts that they are as a whole.

In reference to building street rods. If the guy dosn't beat his wife, abuse his kids, or kick the dog, he can do what ever he wants to his car. It is an inanment object and he owns it. Besides, it makes our cars that much more valuable. Live and let live.

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Since its a 4 door I doubt its a reproduction body and then its a good thing you did not see the convertible I seen,I think a reproduction convertible body had been made but since it had been modified I thought it was but everything looked original except for the late model pedals so I presumed the drivetrain was not original. I think the Cord 4 door body was used on another car after they quit producing them and could it been one of those,even though I modify my vehicles if I were to ever find one that I could actually afford I would try to sell it to someone who could do it some justice and play with the Fords,GMs and Mopars.

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Since its a 4 door I doubt its a reproduction body and then its a good thing you did not see the convertible I seen,I think a reproduction convertible body had been made but since it had been modified I thought it was but everything looked original except for the late model pedals so I presumed the drivetrain was not original. I think the Cord 4 door body was used on another car after they quit producing them and could it been one of those,even though I modify my vehicles if I were to ever find one that I could actually afford I would try to sell it to someone who could do it some justice and play with the Fords,GMs and Mopars.

Yup! I sold a perfectly good stock 37 Buick buisness coupe to a guy that looked me in the eye and promised he wouldn't rod it. Now I see it driving around in hot green metallic paint, 14" alloy wheels, velour buckets etc etc etc.

It was his and he could do whatever he wanted, but it was like buying the Mona Lisa and then painting a moustache on it to make it look "Cool".................Bob

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Peter, of course any owner of any automobile can do as they please with said automobile. There is no disagreement there. In fact I don't see where there is any disagreement anywhere so I'm not sure what you are agreeing with.

What I was saying was that I was witness to two arguable works of art being destroyed and it both saddened and sickened me.

It made me feel a bit better to share my thoughts with a likely understanding group. Perhaps I was wrong.

And, before I'm called to task vis-a-vis the "gun" reference, it was pure hyperbole, I was certain everyone understood that.

As to asking what my point was. There was no point. Yeeesh..........Bob

I had a thread on here 3-4 years ago ("Lost Souls") with nothing but photos of hundreds of Full Classics and very rare cars (all produced in runs of under 100, most under 20) that had been street rodded beyond salvage. Almost nobody here really cared then either.:(

There were at least 3 steel bodied Cords in that thread. They were probably the least rare and/or valuable cars in it.

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I think the Cord 4 door body was used on another car after they quit producing them and could it been one of those,even though I modify my vehicles if I were to ever find one that I could actually afford I would try to sell it to someone who could do it some justice and play with the Fords,GMs and Mopars.

You're talking about Graham Hollywoods and Hupmobile Skylarks. I found more of them then I did Cords, and neither were ever reproduced.:mad: Judging from what I've seen online there are clearly many more street rodded examples of both then authentic versions left today.

There is a certain degree of perverse pleasure derived from making a piece of history into your history. The problem is, when you're gone so is the history, and these things become further modified by someone else (or scrap iron).

Edited by Dave@Moon
added last sentence, 1st paragraph (see edit history)

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There are alot of 36-37 cord shells out there. Believe it or not the guys in the ACD Club actually part them out. They are worth more in parts that they are as a whole.

In reference to building street rods. If the guy dosn't beat his wife, abuse his kids, or kick the dog, he can do what ever he wants to his car. It is an inanment object and he owns it. Besides, it makes our cars that much more valuable. Live and let live.

Virtually every car is worth more in parts than as a whole. 400 point Packards and other Full Classics are rodded on a regular basis, although my gut feeling is that $4 gas may have slowed that a little for a while. I started the "Lost Souls" thread when I was parked at a show next to a Lincoln KB sedan that had been rodded out of a perfectly restored car (using a 460 Ford truck motor).

Several of the cars I documented in the thread were 1 of 1 produced. Saved by someone for 50+ years, and then lost to history as another sbc vessel.:eek:

NOTHING is invulnerable to the this fate. "Live and let live" indeed!:mad:

Edited by Dave@Moon (see edit history)

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While I was looking for a four door 1930's car to install my orange engine, I came across an aluminum Rolls Royce that was modestly priced at about $8000. It was missing most of the nicer parts but I almost bought it for the name.

I’m sure that someone would have thought that I butchered that one too!

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I do know someone who has a Cord 4 door body that will end up the same way but its incomplete and would cost way more then its worth to put back original,at least it will live on and did not get crushed so dont get too upset when you see a modified vehicle as some could have been closed to being turned into crap coming from China.

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I'm sure there are cases where it was either the crusher or the street rodder type situation but my guess is it's usually a restorable car that's transmogrified into someone's personal statement.

Part of my revulsion at the two examples I cited were that both were very crudely done, both in design concept and execution. They were both exceedingly ugly. How sad..............Bob

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I really do wish that those who bleat out the comment "It's their car they can do with it what they want" would shelve that statement, it's overused and abused. In all the time that I have been on this board and heard someone complain and/or berate someone for turning a classic into a pile of streetrod junk, I have never heard one of them say "they can't do that because I said so". We all agree it is their car to do with as they want. However once they do, it then falls to everyone else to comment either pro or con on the result, and that is their right to do. It all boils down to, "there are those to whom nothing is sacred". I once refused a sale of one of my cars because in talking to the prospective buyer, he indicated he was going to sub-frame a camaro under my 62 dart sedan. I told him to get lost and that if he wanted a camaro so bad, go out and buy a camaro. Also my wifes 51 Patrician(85 point car) was sold to some jerk who sub-framed a 70 chevelle 350 under it so he could have A/C. The car was butchered so bad it still does not run and the doors cannot be opened without a crow bar. My point is that sometimes if you are working with a field car it is easier to street rod it than to restore, but to chop up a highly restored car should rise to the level of sacrilige.

Just my 2 cents.

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My point is that sometimes if you are working with a field car it is easier to street rod it than to restore, but to chop up a highly restored car should rise to the level of sacrilige.

Just my 2 cents.

Any car that's too expensive to restore properly is likely just as relatively expensive to street rod. Long ago it was discovered that you can buy a restored $15K car, part out the "old" stuff for $10K, save another $10K in prep and materials cost, and get the same street rod on the cheap (with a little up-front money). Ditto for a $65K car or a $200K car.

Many of these "field cars" are now coming from a field that is just across the street to the west of the Orange Field, about a half mile away from the Giant Center.:mad:

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I really do wish that those who bleat out the comment "It's their car they can do with it what they want" would shelve that statement, it's overused and abused...

And I feel the same way about those who feel compelled to continually start anti-street-rod threads. There have been a lot of those in this forum lately, and none have ended well.

Let's try this from a different perspective. Like it or not, the old car hobby is shrinking as participants age. If street rod gets a younger person interested in the hobby, the second or third car may be a totally stock resto.

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