addicted to cars Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 Are these buffalo wire wheels?? ThanksDarren Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Saxton Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 From what I can see they are most probably Budd, maybe off something like a Studebaker. Rim size by proportion looks like about 24". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
addicted to cars Posted October 10, 2009 Author Share Posted October 10, 2009 what i thought was unusual about them is that they have no lugnut holes, like knock off wheels, they are also very similar to some advertised on e-bay, any info would help..Thanks!Darren Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Saxton Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 Budd wheels are held on by a bronze nut which screws onto a thread on the outer end of the hub. The grip section of the wheel nut where the spanner fits is a circle wit two flats. The drive grip between wheel and hub is a tapered wave form , analogous to that of the Buffalo wheels used in the late twenties or later byCadillac, LaSalle, Stutz, J model Duesenberg, Chrysler 80, and doubtless other cars as an option, including Pierce Arrow Model 81. The wave form of Budd has a sharper taper angle, and it is pressed into the wheel centre in its making. This can be seen on the outside of the hubs of the wheels in your photo. All wire wheels including Rudge Whitworth which do not have a ring of bolts to hold them tight on the hubs rely on metal/metal grip of the taper to take drive and/or braking torque without slipping and fretting. Consider the narrow angle Morse taper drive of engineering shop twist drills, which are removed by a wedge tapped through a hole in their drive shaft. With taper-drive wheels, if they are driven when not properly tight, the taper frets and wears. Then the wheels will loosen. Even wheels with worn tapers will remain tight if you fit a ring of thin sheet copper, annealed, onto the hub so it is formed as if pressed, over the taper when you put the wheel on. The reason this works well is that the steel taper surfaces of hub and wheel centre grip the copper filling of their sandwich; whereas steel-on steel, being similar hardness, does not grip so it can move and fret. I am sory the explanation is extended, but if you look at the inside of your wheel centres you will see what I mean.There used to be quite a few of these Budd wheels from Studebakers around here; but some of the less rigorously authentic restoration shops have fitted them to English or European cars to gussey them up for customers, but judges of your show competitions should down-grade this as ridiculous and inappropriate. That is probably irrelevant to an owner who just wants to drive his car and not argue about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Layden B Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 These are Buffalo wires and appear to be type CB centers. If you were to post the rim size I may be able to give you application. Buffalo ( really The Wire Wheel Corp of Americe in Buffalo N.Y.) made over a dozen different center types and marketed them under several "brands". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
addicted to cars Posted October 10, 2009 Author Share Posted October 10, 2009 do they have any value? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kean Thompson Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 If you are interested in selling, please contact me. Also do you have the hubs? speedster1930@hotmail.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMoneyPit Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 do they have any value?YES, they have value as the many questions regarding selling them will attest...You can do some research on e-bay as to the selling value, and with any luck someone here will know the applications for that specific size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
addicted to cars Posted October 18, 2009 Author Share Posted October 18, 2009 I finally aquired these wheels and was lucky enough to get the hubs too!! they are 20 inches by 5 inches, they are from a Cadillac they say R.S. wire wheel corp of Buffalo New York, now the question is what years would these go on??Thanks for all the help!!Darren Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DougPegg Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 Darren, what is the tire size on the two wheels in your first posting?Thanks. dpegg@energyalternatives.ca Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Layden B Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 Hubs and caps are 1926-27-28-2921" wheels for 1926-2720" wheels for 1928-29 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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