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A.M.E.C. Economy Run III - Fonda, NY 8-23-09


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The Adirondack Motor Enthusiast Club invites all classic car owners to join them on their 94 mile tour through the southern Adirondack mountains of up state New York. Above is Bill Clark's 1960 Metropolitan during last Fall's event. In fact, we enjoyed them so much that we've added a separate class for classic cars this year.

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A little history: A.M.E.C. held it's first Economy Run back in 1954. So last year [54 years later] with record high fuel prices, the club brought the event back. Our members created a new course and the event took place this past August 10th. It was so popular that we did another on October 5th. Both events were very well received and was thoroughly enjoyed by all who participated. Results can been seen HERE.

Here are the details for Economy Run III:

What: Fuel mileage contest through the southern Adirondacks

of NY. The route will be on really scenic and challenging roads [mild

grades] and will run approx. 94 miles in distance. Your “economic”

driving ability will be tested. Cars will be filled with fuel by an AMEC

official and be sent off at one minute intervals. There will be a time

limit to complete the run. Any street legal vehicle is allowed to

participate, [including motorcycles]. This event will run rain or

shine.

Where: The starting spot will be at the [ethanol free]

Fairway Oil gas station on Route 5 in Fonda, NY. Take NY Thruway Exit 28.

After the toll booth, turn left onto Riverside Drive. Then turn right

onto South Bridge Street and go over the bridge. On the other side of the

bridge is a traffic light. You can see Fairway Oil and Gas on your left.

Turn left onto Route 5 and enter the station.

When: Sunday, August 23rd, 2009. Arrival time will be

8:00-8:30am, first car off at 9:00am. They have gas and diesel and have a

large enough parking lot that we won’t be in the way.

Cost: $10 per vehicle plus $8 per car for lunch at the

awards picnic by the lake. [see "Awards" below]

Awards include:

1. Best overall mpg for gas cars [1st, 2nd, and 3rd places]

2. Best overall mpg for diesel and hybrid cars [1st, 2nd, and 3rd places]

3. Best Historic car ['79 and earlier - 1st, 2nd, and 3rd places].

Note: If we get more than one motorcycle we will add a class for them.

Finish: will be at the Citgo located at 746 NY-30, in

Northville. They are less than a mile from Northampton Beach Campground

and their lot is plenty big. It will be on your right as you're heading

on Route 30 south in Northville.

Awards and Lunch: This event will conclude about noon, and

we will be having our A.M.E.C. summer picnic immediately following the

event. All Economy run participants are invited to join us for awards and

a picnic lunch at Northampton Beach Campground located on Housmann

Street, in Mayfield, [it's actually closer to Northville] NY. Their

website is

HERE. Scroll to the bottom of the

page to find the map links. The picnic pavilion and beach are right on

the shore of beautiful Sacandaga lake. Hamburgers, hot dogs, and soda

will be served. This park is only about a mile from the Citgo station

where the event concluded.

To register for this event: Please contact Mike Kamm at (518)

674-0520 or via email: mkamm [at ] juno [ dot] com. Or just simply reply

to this thread with your name, year/model car. The vehicle count will be

limited so please sign up before this event is full.

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Registered driver's list as of 7-7-09

1. Mike Kamm - 1977 Datsun B210 - Averill Park, NY

2. Tom Moeller - 1994 Mazda Miata - Saratoga, NY

3. Dave Burnham - 1991 Eco Diesel Jetta - Delanson, NY

4. Ben Jones - 1991 Honda CRX - Hanover, NH

5. Dick Vedder - 2000 Ford ZX2 S/R - Johnstown, NY

6. Martin Deschenes - 2000 VW Jetta TDI - Quebec City, QC

7. Ron Kienhuis - 1972 Citroën SM - Long Island, NY

8. Vlad Saakyan - 2003 Suzuki Svs650 - 518 forums

9. Bill Clark - 1957 Metropolitan Hartop - Endicott, NY

10. Bruce Turk- 1958 Saab 93B - Walden, NY

11. Ernie Yue - 2008 Kawasaki Ninja 250cc

12. Dan & Richard Dobbins - 1964 Studebaker GT Hawk - Long Island, NY

13. Matt Herring - 2009 Toyota Prius - Boston, MA

14. Robert Smalls - 2000 Honda Insight - Buffalo, NY

15. Peter Ramotowski - 2000 VW Golf TDI - Albany, NY

16. Eric Hoefer - 2008 Honda Fit - Guilderland, NY

17. Ryan Kramer - 1988 Toyota MR2 Supercharged - Albany NY

18. Lance David - 1996 Chevy Cavalier - Johnstown, NY

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There is a link to last year's event thread located HERE.

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Updated driver's roster (see edit history)
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Great news, I just heard from bill and he said that he had a car show he was planning to go to on August 23rd, but he has thought the better of it. He enjoyed Economy Run II so much last year in his 1960 Metropolitan convertible, that he plans to bring his '57 hardtop out and give it a go this year in the infamous "Gas Mileage Shootout in the Adirondacks".

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Here were his comments:

I'm pretty sure I'm going to blow off the local show and come ride around with you guys in my 57 Met hardtop. I found a set of 3.90 gears to replace the stock 4.22s and I'm going to rebuild the carb, blow up the tires, take out the toe in and try to get my lower compression 1500 to run good. I'll be really happy if I do as well as the high compression 1500 rag top did last year.

Sign me up,

Bill

That's the spirit Bill! I'd rather be driving my classic car than sitting around looking at it any day!

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Welcome Vintage Saab Club of North America President, Mr. Bruce Turk.

So glad to have a classic Saab economy car on the roster! I still love the original "Little Saab Economy Car" jingle on the New Salem Saab web site home page.

Bruce will bring his beautifully restored black 1958 Saab 93B.

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Bruce wrote:

Hi Mike,

I cleared my calendar and will participate in my 1958 Saab 93B. The completely stock 750cc three cylinder two stroke should do very well. I'll down jet the carb and replace my bias ply's with radials, that combined with the original three speed "free wheel" transmission will kick MPG butt.... I hope!

Please add me to the list and I'll see if I can get some other vintage Saabs to attend.

Regards,

Bruce Turk

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Two months away and eighteen of twenty five spots are filled already! I've updated the list on past #1. I hope some of you on this forum will join us.

Mike

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Registration is now closed for Economy Run III

The fact that we filled up the event six weeks in advance is surprising

and encouraging at the same time. It shows that quite a few people really

want to participate in these types of events. Unfortunately, these events

are far and few between. We need more of them! They are not really

difficult to do and I hope we have inspired other groups or car clubs to

create their own versions of these events for all to enjoy.

1. Mike Kamm - 1977 Datsun B210 - Averill Park, NY

2. Tom Moeller - 1994 Mazda Miata - Saratoga, NY

3. Dave Burnham - 1991 Eco Diesel Jetta - Delanson, NY

4. Ben Jones - 1991 Honda CRX - Hanover, NH

5. Richard Vedder - 2000 Ford ZX2 S/R - Johnstown, NY

6. Martin Deschenes - 2000 VW Jetta TDI - Quebec City, QC

7. Ron Kienhuis - 1972 Citroën SM - Long Island, NY

8. Vlad Saakyan - 2003 Suzuki Svs650 - 518 forums

9. Bill Clark - 1957 Metropolitan Hartop - Endicott, NY

10. Bruce Turk- 1958 Saab 93B - Walden, NY

11. Ernie Yue - 2008 Kawasaki Ninja 250cc

12. Dan & Richard Dobbins - 1964 Studebaker GT Hawk - Long Island, NY

13. Matt Herring - 2009 Toyota Prius - Boston, MA

14. Robert Smalls - 2000 Honda Insight - Buffalo, NY

15. Peter Ramotowski - 2000 VW Golf TDI - Albany, NY

16. Eric Hoefer - 2008 Honda Fit - Guilderland, NY

17. Ryan Kramer - 1988 Toyota MR2 Supercharged - Albany NY

18. Lance David - 1996 Chevy Cavalier - Johnstown, NY

19. Darin Cosgrove - 1998 Pontiac Firefly - Ontario, Canada

20. Chang Ho Kim - 89 Honda CRX - Maynard, MA

21. Jeff Morgan - 1992 240sx - Rotterdam, NY

22. Hobbit - 2004 Toyota Prius - Boston, MA

23. Tom Compoli - 1981 VW Rabbit - Schenectady, NY

24. Dan Mandle - 2004 Golf TDI [Vegetable Oil] - Potsdam, NY

25. Ricardo Bowlin - 1999 Dodge Avenger - Schenectady, NY

If anyone on this list cannot make it, please let me know.

There is now a waiting list to get in and several people are hoping a spot will open up.

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This is Carl Germain's 1950 Studebaker Champion Business Coupe. Carl will run in the Historic class of the A.M.E.C. Economy Run Rally next Sunday with this beauty.

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It's interesting to note that this is the oldest car in competition, and in fact it is the only car entered that could have run in our inaugural Economy run event in 1954!

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Here's the final driver's list by class:

Gas class

1. Mike Kamm - 1977 Datsun B210 - Averill Park, NY

2. Tom Moeller - 1994 Mazda Miata - Saratoga, NY

3. Ben Jones - 1991 Honda CRX - Hanover, NH

4. Richard Vedder - 2000 Ford ZX2 S/R - Johnstown, NY

5. Eric Hoefer - 2008 Honda Fit - Guilderland, NY

6. Ryan Kramer - 1988 Toyota MR2 Supercharged - Albany NY

7. Chang Ho Kim - 89 Honda CRX - Maynard, MA

8. Darin Cosgrove - 1998 Pontiac Firefly - Ontario, Canada

9. Jeff Morgan - 1992 240sx - Rotterdam, NY

10. Tom Compoli - 1981 VW Rabbit - Schenectady, NY

Diesel and Hybrids

1. Dave Burnham -1991 Eco Diesel Jetta - Delanson, NY

2. Martin Deschenes - 2000 VW Jetta TDI - Quebec City, QC

3. Peter Ramotowski - 2000 VW Golf TDI - Albany, NY

4. Dan Mandle - 2004 Golf TDI [Vegetable Oil] - Potsdam, NY

5. Matt Herring - 2009 Toyota Prius - Boston, MA

6. Robert Smalls - 2000 Honda Insight - Buffalo, NY

7. Hobbit - 2004 Toyota Prius - Boston, MA

Historic class

1. Bill Clark - 1957 Metropolitan Hartop - Endicott, NY

2. Ron Kienhuis - 1972 Citroën SM - Long Island, NY

3. Bruce Turk- 1958 Saab 93B - Walden, NY

4. Dan & Richard Dobbins - 1964 Studebaker GT Hawk - Long Island, NY

5. Jonathan Bartlett - 1969 Saab Sonett V-4 - Sterling, MA

6. Carl Germain - 1950 Studebaker Champion Business Coupe

Motorcycles/Scooters

1. Vlad Saakyan - 2003 Suzuki Svs650 - Schenectady, NY

2. Ernie Yue - 2008 Kawasaki Ninja 250cc

3. Sachs 50cc Madass scooter

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This is Carl Germain's 1950 Studebaker Champion Business Coupe. Carl will run in the Historic class of the A.M.E.C. Economy Run Rally next Sunday with this beauty.

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It's interesting to note that this is the oldest car in competition, and in fact it is the only car entered that could have run in our inaugural Economy run event in 1954!

Also interesting to note that they would design a car that you can't put the rear hubcaps on. LOL

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Economy Run III was a huge success, and I want to thank all who participated. I would especially like to thank Mark Long and Dave Burnham who assisted me in administering the day's activities.

Last year's event average for all vehicles was 49.56 mpg. I thought that was pretty good. This year's average? How about 64.12 mpg!

Here are the results:

Gas class

1. Chang Ho Kim - 1989 Honda CRX HF - Maynard, MA 118.1 mpg

2. Darin Cosgrove - 1998 Pontiac Firefly - Ontario, Canada 106.12 mpg

3. Ben Jones - 1991 Honda CRX - Hanover, NH 82.54 mpg

4. Mike Kamm - 1977 Datsun B210 - Averill Park, NY 77.04 mpg

5. Will Meredith - 1998 Honda Civic EX - Binghamton NY 64.62 mpg

6. Richard Vedder - 2000 Ford ZX2 S/R - Johnstown, NY 59.09 mpg

7. Eric Hoefer - 2008 Honda Fit - Guilderland, NY 47.27 mpg

8. Robert Smalls - 1996 AWD Subaru Legacy - Buffalo, NY 46.64 mpg

Diesels and Hybrids

1. Martin Deschenes - 2000 VW Jetta TDI - Quebec City, QC 90.43 mpg

2. Matt Herring - 2009 Toyota Prius - Boston, MA 75.91 mpg

3. Hobbit - 2004 Toyota Prius - Boston, MA 74.28 mpg

4. Dan Mandle - 2004 Golf TDI [Vegetable Oil] - Potsdam, NY 63.41 mpg

5. Dave Burnham - 1991 Jetta Diesel - Delanson, NY 61.18 mpg

Historic class

1. Bill Clark - 1957 Metropolitan Hartop - Endicott, NY 44.64 mpg

2. Jonathan Bartlett - 1969 Saab Sonett V-4 - Sterling, MA 44.26 mpg

3. Jonathan Schaller - 1968 Saab 96 - Hamilton, NY 37.96 mpg

4. Ron Kienhuis - 1972 Citroën SM - Long Island, NY 32.20 mpg

5. Carl Germain - 1950 Studebaker Champion Business Coupe 27.37 mpg

Motorcycles/Scooters

1. Vlad Saakyan - 2003 Suzuki Svs650 - Niskayuna, NY 62.28 mpg

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Some of the Historic cars with their drivers in attendance.

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The red Saab 96 belongs to Jonathan Schaller. Jonathan filled the slot of

a last minute cancellation and we're sure glad he was able to come out.

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I am very pleased to show you the winner of the Historic Class of Economy Run III. This is Bill Clark's 1957 Metropolitan Hartop. This car has spent the last ten years in either a trailer or in the Norwich museum so when he started driving it there were some problems. Lot's of them. He worked tirelessly until every detail was taken care of. What he ended up with is a car that is now running better than it has in the last 33 years. His goal was 37 mpg [last year's number with his convertible]. How did he do? Well his attention to detail in car prep and his driving earned him an impressive 44.64 mpg and a first place in class. And that was on bias ply tires folks! Well done Bill.

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This is Carl Germain gettting out of the oldest car in competition. His 1950 Studebaker Champion business coupe was able to achieve very impressive 27.37 mpg. It is a fantastic example with just 35,000 original

miles. This is a big car with a 160 cubic inch straight six flathead, a three speed overdrive transmission and 4.56 gears!

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For those wondering what my '77 Datsun B210 was able to muster after the flurry of activity in my garage all month, how about a solid 77.04 mpg! Not too shabby for a carbureted car. There's more left in it too. I'm not done yet. ;)

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During the awards under the pavillion, we had each driver get up and tell us all about their cars. This was really interesting as we got to hear a little about each driver's car and what their mods were. This is Matt Herring. He had the best Prius mileage at 75.91 mpg and finished second in the Hybrid/Diesel class.

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We tried to line the cars up for a group shot but there were too many. Here's one batch of them. Talk about diversity eh? There are 1950's carmixed in with hybrids!

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Here's another grouping. There were still others as well. This event will be hard to top. The roof was blown off all of the previous records.

Mike

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This was a fun event that I have now done with both of my Mets. Its a chance to meet some people really serious about gas mileage, to see how well you can do at a mileage run and its an opportunity to see a really pretty part of New York. While I was working on my Met club Gold Medal and my Grand National Senior tab I did not drive either car much. Now that the serious judging is over for both cars I've started driving my hardtop again and am really enjoying it. As Mike earlier noted, this car did not get driven for about ten years and the idle time took its toll. I wanted to fix it mechanically and be able to compete, but I'm registered for Hershey and I did not want to rod it all out. I changed the pumpkin to 3.90s a change every Met owner should make, I changed out the tail pipe from 1" to 1 1/2, a change noone would notice, I have had electronic ignition, a pertronix, under the cap for years, I cleaned up and rejetted the carb with jets from an older Met and I installed an O2 sensor to check the operation of the carb and added a vacuum guage. If your local club is looking for a great activity, heres one. Fill em up, go for a 100 mile or so ride and fill em up again. It was a great activity and motivation to get this rig running the best it has in the last 33 years. Its good to have this old friend back.

Bill

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