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1936 McLaughlin model, trim, and paint questions.


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I am looking for information anyone may have about model, trim, and paint for my 1936 McLaughlin Buick. It is a five passenger coupe with built-in trunk but it is a two door instead of the more common four door.

Trim and Paint question:

Trim 169 and Paint code 611. Does anybody have any ideas what these mean? I am particularly interested in learning what color 611 is. US paint codes for this year seem to be in the 400’s and I haven’t found an equivalent lookup for Canadian paint codes. Is there anything special about the trim code of 169?

Model question:

US car ads refer to this configuration as a two door five passenger Victoria coupe with built-in trunk and having a model designation of 48. The only McLaughlin ad I have found refers to this type of car only as a 44-11. However, when I look at the plate it shows the model designation of 4491. Is the 91 vs. 11 significant? My assumption has been that this car is essentially the same as a US Model 48 with some slight differences which are always fun to discover after ordering parts. BTW: Anybody know where I can get a Canadian hub cap?

I don’t know how to attach a picture of the plate but here is everything that it says on it:

GENERAL MOTOR of CANADA LIMITED

MADE IN [GM] CANADA

OSHAWA WALKERVILLE REGINA

1936 MODEL 4491

SERIAL 644910451

ENGINE 2941547

BODY SERIAL 38

TRIM 169

PAINT 611

Thanks,

Jeff

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Dear Jeff:

I can tell you that your car is a very early 1936 car. The body serial number of 38 is one clue. The second is the motor number you give of 2,941,547. This engine was built in Nov. 1934 and would have appeared in a 1935 Buick here in the USA. This "use up" practice is not unusual in McLaughlin and was even more common in the depths of the Depression.

In addition, the serial number digits of 0451 tell us that this is the 451st car of 4722 Buicks for 1936.

I hope this helps a little.

Regards, Dave Corbin

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Jeff,

GM of Canada Archives should be able to decode the Canadian information for you. There is a fee, but they will send you anything they can dig up. Since you are outside of Canuckistan, you won't get the toll free number, unless you come up for a visit (crew of Buick nuts heading up Labour Day weekend). The number is 905-440-7636 or 905-440-7618, fax 905-440-7644...hours are 8-5 Eastern.

Good luck finding the missing hub cap. It is nice that they are uniquely Canadian, but it also makes them rarer. If you have a photo of one, send it to me, along with dimensions, and I can keep an eye out for one for you.

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Jeff

The 1936 Mclaughlin Buick model 4411 is listed in the Mcl Buick shop manual as a 5-passenger Regular Coach[trunk] while your 4491 is a 5-passenger Special Coach[trunk].

Sorry , Dave but I am sure that is not a 1934 engine.

I have a 1936 4499 Mcl Buick with a body serial of 196 vs Jeff's 38.Serial number of 644990420 which is 31 earlier than Jeff's.My engine is 2942272 vs Jeff's of 2941547.I know mine is a 1936 engine as it has original aluminum pistons that came out in 1936.It is only 725 after his engine.

Also my 54499069 serialed 1935 Mclaughlin Buick has an engine serial number of 2865778.This original engine may be a 1934 or 1935 as they used same engine except for pistons from 1934 to 1936.

I have been looking for another 1936 Mclbuick hubcap since 1999. Caps and wheels are different than the US Buicks. There is a ring on the wheel and clips on the hubcap and are slightly smaller than the US caps.

Also a 644910451 may not be the 451st of 4722cars made. All 44,46,48 and 49 series started at 1.You could have a 646910450 that was made after the 644910451 .

Mcl Buick serial numbers are as follows 6[or 5]is year i.e. 1936.then 44 is the series [44,46,48 or 49].Next 2 numbers are model ,for example 91 is the special coach.Next 4 are number of car built in that series.

Stan

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Dear Stan:

2,941,547 and 2,942,272 were built at Flint in Nov. 1934 for the 1935 model year.

2,865,778 was built in Dec. 1933 and is for a 1934 model year car.

This information is directly from Buick's factory records.

Regards, Dave Corbin

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Dave

As I stated 2,865,778 could be a 1934 or 1935 engine as they were the same. However, both 2,941,547 and 2,942,272 are 1936 motors not 1934 or 1935 as they have the new anolite pistons. Both engine serial numbers on my 1935 and 1936 Mclaughlin Buicks are the same as the firewall plate.So engines are original.

On page 192 of my original Mclaughlin Buick shop manual it states "First motor number 2941439" under 36-44 series.

Were 1936 engines made in Canada with Canadian serial numbers? Or were they made in the USA with serial numbers specifically for export?

Stan

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Dear Stan:

Engine numbers for McLaughlin would only omit the leading series digit when it was used, as McLaughlin would order by Buick part number, so Buick didn't know what series car the engine would go in.

There is otherwise no distinction between an engine for Buick and an engine for McLaughlin. Buick recorded the numbers they produced and they are very accurately done. I can usually tell on a Buick to within about 2 weeks or less when it was built from it's engine number. See my previous comments about McLaughlins "use up" practices which were very common in the 1930's.

Based on this, I'll stand with my previous comments about when the engines were built.

I would also remind you that Buick/McLaughlin would furnish the latest available style pistons for service use. The 1936 or later style pistons would be used IF the engines were ever rebuilt.

Regards, Dave Corbin

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Hello Dave

Judging from the condition of my 1936 engine and the fact the car had only 60,000 miles when bought I do not believe it was rebuilt with newer pistons.

How do you explain the 1936 Mclaughlin Buick shop manual that was printed in Dec 1935 that clearly describes the new alonite pistons[for 1936]and states engine serial numbers start with 2941439 that you claim were built in nov 1934 for the 1935 models?It was more common on the "use up " practice to run out of parts and have to use next year years stock. My 1930 has a 1931 steering box.

How do you explain that Jeff's 1936 and the 3 others in the Mclaughlin Buick club roster from across Canada all have engine serial numbers starting with 294 ; as follows- 2941547,2942272,2942918 & 2943900.These are 2353 numbers apart? There is no way they had that many engines left from 1934.

Stan

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