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OK- so we all know an 'antique' is anything 25 years or older (so they say) but curious if anyone else feels that shouldnt be the case?

IMO-I cant imagine that a 1982 Chrysler Le Baron should have antique plates...

I still think antique should be pre 62

Thanks for your opinion.

Lenny Schaeffer

Woburn MA

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In Michigan they're called "Historic" plates. I don't see anything historic about my '77 Towncar, but I'm not complaining about $35 for a 10 year plate.

Maybe they should come up with a different category.

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States vary for the age of the car to qualify for antique or historic plates. In Virginia its 25 years. In my opinion, antique plates merely signify a vehicle category with some benefits (lower/no taxes, no safety inspections, etc.) but also some restrictions (primarily how/when the vehicle can be used). Just because a car is an "antique" doesn't mean it is necessarily "collectable." Whats collectable to you may not be collectable to me.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ChopShopCustoms</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I can't imagine that a 1982 Chrysler Le Baron should have antique plates...</div></div>

Funny you mention that, I saw a Chrysler, I think it 's called Fifth Avenue? the other day with historic plates. In MD it's 25 years for most, 20 for orphans. What p!$$es me off is that apparently the people in the MVA will tell people that they can skip the MD inspection (which takes place only when the car is retitled, is a PITA, and you can't have the car registered without passing) by registering any old heap as a historic vehicle. What's gonna happen is some dumb legislator is gonna call them on it and the hobbyist who has a real collector car is gonna come out on the short end of the stick (shaft).

By the way, I meant to say, I'm afraid it depends on your perspective (ie, age). grin.gif In 1975, a 1950 car seemed old to me. In 2000, a '62 car did not!

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OK, so I'll put out my old fashioned opinion.

Horseless carriage or brass car - pre-1916

Antique - pre-WW2 (pre 1943)

Classic - CCCA definition

Special Interest, Vintage, Collectable, etc. post WW2 (post 1945)

I started fooling with cars in 1964, I was 13, my first car a 1931 Chevrolet which I still own. It was pretty simple back then, as antique had a specific definition (pre WW2). I think (IMHO) that it is silly to call a 1983 Detroitmobile an "antique." As far as antique plates go, it p**ses me off too to see daily driving trucks and cars with antique plates, but for someone doing it to eliminate inspection and such, is just a litigious incident waiting to happen, in our sue-happy society.

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Doug, we went thru that scenario here last year. My local House representative was the one who introduced the legislation to make getting an antique plate more of a PITA- unbeknown to most car hobbyists in his House district- and made me vote Democratic for the first time in over 20 years.

The only real effect has been that it now costs 500% more to get the plate. I see just as many clunkers with antique plates on the road as I did before, so that tells me it was really only about money. Instead of forcing DMV and police to enforce the existing statutes, his solution was to raise the licensing fee and create a pile of paperwork. At least Democrats will call a tax what it is- Republicans in Vajenya like to call it a "fee". Doesn't resonate quite as loud with voters come re-election time.

I fully expect the [censored] to keep bringing it before the General Assembly until he's got them back in personal property tax rolls. He sits on Counties Cities and Towns House subcommittee, so although he denies it I know some of these cash-strapped localities are bending his ear so they can tax antique plated cars at exorbitant assessments.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Did you mean "twit"? </div></div>

Freudian slip? Or a slip of the lip. grin.gif

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ted sweet</div><div class="ubbcode-body">IN ny THERE IS NO BENEFIT TO historical plates except u can use YOM plates </div></div>

Not totally true. The fee for an Historical plate in NY is a flat fee of $23 per year. Regular registrations are based on the vehicle weight or gross weight in the case of trailers and commercial vehicles. My Dodge Dakota costs $31.75 per year as a passenger car based on a weight of 5151 lbs., and I have to pay for two years at a time. For most old cars, the Historical is cheaper, except for cars like my dad's 1910 Sears that weighs about 1200 lbs. Also, when using YOM plates, if you let them lapse, they make you pay for the lapsed time when you renew. The reason is that you are "holding" that number.

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When I joined AACA anything newer than 1935 was not considered to be an eligible antique. That lasted until 1974, and it was a long, hard fight. I don't think it's time to turn back the clock to the bad old times.

QUOTE: By the way, I meant to say, I'm afraid it depends on your perspective (ie, age). In 1975, a 1950 car seemed old to me. In 2000, a '62 car did not! UNQUOTE

I think if it was right in your time, it should be right in the current generation's time. Of course I don't think the current crop of computerized cars will last past the failure of their computer after they're 7 to 15 years old; no parts, and no mechanics to fix them, unless they are genius'.

Only occasioinal cars newer than 1958 interest me, like the '71 Riviera I've been working on for 8 years; but I try to remember how I felt when my father's generation in this hobby called my '39 Buick names and I have some empathy for people who like the newer cars. If you don't belive mid-sixties to mid-70's are collectible, just attend one of these auctions. The day of my four '39 Buicks has passed just like the Model T did during the 1980s. I also have an '81 Riviera that I have just for long haul tours (AACA Founders Tour mostly), so I don't have to haul a trailer, and so I have good A/C here in Florida. We're gettin' old, just like the '39 Buicks.

All of that said, if the use of some of the near prophane language isn't removed from this thread, I've got a hunch it will be pulled down by the moderators.

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Gentleman ... Gentlemen!!! Will we never learn. We have been down this road several times in the past and to what avail. Because you see it is not an issue of money it is not an issue of one state's regulations verses another states regulations, rather it is an issue of integrity/honesty that I believe we as care takers of the "history" of this wonderful automotive industry need to preserve it.

I love to play the game of golf and you only need play one round of golf to see where a man stands with honesty/integrity. And so it is with Antique/classic cars. I truly believe it degrades Antique/Classic car industry as a whole to use what I would call "financial loophole" to license their 1982 Chrysler La Baron to either save money or avoid an inspection. Shame on you!!! ChopShopCustoms you are very generous with the pre 62... My vote would be late 50's. Soooo finally I'm very pleased to be the owner of a 1939 Chrysler, and did I mention it has current inspection sticker!!!

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Now there's a rare car, a '39 Chrysler. My Granddaddy had one, and I've always liked the looks of them. Congrats.

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Lenny, How can you say that! Think of all "The Younger Members" that grew up with those fine examples of automotive history. Style engineering and just plain good looks. Who wants to look at Thomas Flyers, Mercer Raceabouts and '32 3Windows? There has to be a reason why the Mustangs, Cameros and other FINE CLASSICS are pushing that old crap off the show fields. I hope you sreiously rethink what you started with this thread. Oh, I forgot "Matching Numbers" that old crap never had that and "Build Sheets" stuff that really matters. <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ChopShopCustoms</div><div class="ubbcode-body">OK- so we all know an 'antique' is anything 25 years or older (so they say) but curious if anyone else feels that shouldnt be the case?

IMO-I cant imagine that a 1982 Chrysler Le Baron should have antique plates...

I still think antique should be pre 62

Thanks for your opinion.

Lenny Schaeffer

Woburn MA </div></div>

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Times change and the World keeps moving on. We can't hardly even find or buy lacquer paint anymore. As a friend of mine likes to say, "we're just like fleas on a dog's back, we just go along for the ride."

Remember that movie, "Build a field and they will come." Well, bring the Kissel, Thomas Flyer, Piedmont or Pierce Arrow to a National Meet, and they will look and oooo and ahhh. I just don't want to see the mistakes of the 1960's repeated. I guess you were there then, the same as I was, but perhaps we each had a different perspective at the time.

By the way, I joined AACA in 1962. That gives me a perspective on that pre-'62 comment too, but I prefer to look the other way.

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I don't mind people putting antique plates on a car that is 25 years old, unless they are using it as a daily driver, but I do mind having antique plates on this rod.

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I hate renewing every year and changing the sticker. i have 5 cars with Historical plates and 4 of them cost more as historical plates.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Steve Braverman</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ted sweet</div><div class="ubbcode-body">IN ny THERE IS NO BENEFIT TO historical plates except u can use YOM plates </div></div>

Not totally true. The fee for an Historical plate in NY is a flat fee of $23 per year. Regular registrations are based on the vehicle weight or gross weight in the case of trailers and commercial vehicles. My Dodge Dakota costs $31.75 per year as a passenger car based on a weight of 5151 lbs., and I have to pay for two years at a time. For most old cars, the Historical is cheaper, except for cars like my dad's 1910 Sears that weighs about 1200 lbs. Also, when using YOM plates, if you let them lapse, they make you pay for the lapsed time when you renew. The reason is that you are "holding" that number. </div></div>

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I'd as soon not see them on a rod, and especially a fiberglass bodied one with thoroughly modern underpinnings and all creature comforts, but at least we know those cars are probably maintained and safe.

As opposed to say, a clapped-out mid-70s pickup that is obviously used to haul wood and trash, but proudly displays its antique plate. The plate is the only thing on the vehicle that looks anywhere near restored.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Leonard Shepherd</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't mind people putting antique plates on a car that is 25 years old, unless they are using it as a daily driver, but I do mind having antique plates on this rod.

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You have to be careful with a generalization like that. I know of a number or ORIGINAL T's, A's, 50 Fords, 57 Chevys, etc. that have been made into beautiful rods and customs. In those cases, an antique plate is correct in the legal sense. If the car is a fiberglass replica body, then no, an antique plate is not correct or even legal. With the passage of the replica car bill in 2008,

http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+46.2-602.1

Virginia is catching up with replicas incorrectly displaying antique plates.

People put too much emphasis on "antique plates." The cars that qualify for antique plates are simply meeting a legal definition that each state is free to make. That is totaly separate and different from what constitutes an "antique" from a collectability standpoint. I doubt that anyone will ever agree to a single, simple definition of an antique from that standpoint for the simple reason that everyone, whether a group or an individual, has their own preferences and bias's. Even though I admire the beauty and craftmanship of pre-WW2 Packards/Duesenburgs/Caddilacs/etc. they have no real frame of reference for me. Having been born in 1954 the cars that I remember while growing up and that had an impact on me are the ones from the late 50s through early 70's. I can remember waiting for the school bus in the morning and watching the guy who lived behind me blast by each morning in his 1967 390 Mustang GT fastback. I loved that car and wanted to own something like it some day. I'd much rather own and drive a 1964 R-Code Galaxie than any pre-WW2 car ever made. But that's my preference.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Leonard Shepherd</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have seen this "motor home" a couple of years ago in Richmond, VA with antique plates. </div></div>

It is hard to tell from the photo, but the plate on it now does not appear to be an antique plate. It looks like dark blue/black on a white plate. If that is the case, then he got caught with an illegal tag.

Penalty for illegal use of an antique plate from 46.2-730:

H. Any owner of an antique motor vehicle or antique trailer registered with license plates pursuant to this section who is convicted of a violation of this section shall be guilty of a Class 4 misdemeanor. Upon receiving a record of conviction of a violation of this section, the Department shall revoke and not reinstate the owner's privilege to register the vehicle operated in violation of this section with license plates issued or authorized for use pursuant to this section for a period of five years from the date of conviction.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rocketraider</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Doug, we went thru that scenario here last year. My local House representative was the one who introduced the legislation to make getting an antique plate more of a PITA- unbeknown to most car hobbyists in his House district- and made me vote Democratic for the first time in over 20 years.

The only real effect has been that it now costs 500% more to get the plate. I see just as many clunkers with antique plates on the road as I did before, so that tells me it was really only about money. Instead of forcing DMV and police to enforce the existing statutes, his solution was to raise the licensing fee and create a pile of paperwork. At least Democrats will call a tax what it is- Republicans in Vajenya like to call it a "fee". Doesn't resonate quite as loud with voters come re-election time.

I fully expect the [censored] to keep bringing it before the General Assembly until he's got them back in personal property tax rolls. He sits on Counties Cities and Towns House subcommittee, so although he denies it I know some of these cash-strapped localities are bending his ear so they can tax antique plated cars at exorbitant assessments. </div></div>

Yes, Danny Marshall is a PITA. But I hardly think that a $50.00 fee (used to be $10.00) for a LIFETIME antique vehicle registration and ONE additional form that must be filled out and submitted to the DMV (and does NOT have to be notarized anymore) hardly constitutes a hardship for the Virginia automobile enthusiast. If you look at other state's fees and laws, you will find that Virginia is one of the more liberal states when it comes to antique vehicle ownership.

I hope you are a member of one of the five Virginia car club councils and express your views through them. More info on the councils can be found at http://www.vaacc.org/

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> § 46.2-602.1. Titling and registration of replica vehicles.

Notwithstanding any other provision of this chapter, <span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="font-weight: bold">the model year of vehicles constructed or assembled by multiple manufacturers or assemblers</span></span> shall be the model year of which the vehicle is a replica. No vehicle titled under this section shall be driven more than 5,000 miles per year as shown by the vehicle's odometer. No vehicle titled under this section shall be automatically eligible for antique motor vehicle license plates provided for in § 46.2-730.

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Bill, I don't see how anyone with DMV will ever be able to police the code stated above. They're still trying to figure out what an antique vehicle is. confused.gif

I think that's why Rocketraider hasn't seen any progress in his area either. What did that trooper in the Richmond DMV Meeting say a couple years ago? They didn't have time to mess with the few violators of the antique license law? At least that fellow considered it the few. frown.gif

Wayne

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