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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If that judge had not looked at the car, I suspect that I would not have received the Senior Grand National</div></div> Maybe not Matt. The Model 'A' class can be a tough class. You've already scored a minimum of 385 points and you've been 5 points within the best car in your class.

Now when you go for a Senior Grand National, all you have to do is score a 390.

The beauty of the AACA awards is that once you get your First Grand National, the issue of competition is over.....

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Incorrect finish on bolts could theoretically add up pretty fast at a point each with a maximum of 10.

With a car that was restored 19 years earlier, I did not want to give up any unnecessary points. I know of a couple of potential lost points that I can't reasonably fix. 10 points could add up pretty fast.

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Matt how do you keep the bolts from getting small surface rust?I pull my exhaust manafold bolts once a year and replace with new. Repos. from Year One are $20. a set,if I wire brush the heck out of them then they have the wrong finish. Im thinking of putting in stanless all year and swaping for Nat. shows and putting the stanless back after the show.

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It is easier on a Model A Ford than it is on later cars. The primary bolt finishes are, Cadmium, Black Paint, Dull Black Paint, Unfinished, Raven Finish (similar to gun blue) and Ford Engine Green.

I wire brush the ones that are supposed to be unfinished. Touch up the paint as needed on the ones that are painted, and have replaced a few that have significant issues with other finishes.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Matt how do you keep the bolts from getting small surface rust</div></div>

Are you guys saying that points are deducted for surface rust on exhaust manifold bolts?......Bob

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No, I just answered the question about how I try to keep all of the bolts on my Model A looking like they did originally when delivered from the factory. It is a pretty constant battle to keep it in shape for the next Grand National, while also using the car for Touring.

After competing for a Repeat Senior Grand National, I will probably become much less obsessive about it, and just drive the car and enjoy it more.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Rules say no deduction for painted exhaust or slight surface rust </div></div>

That's a relief. Now I won't have to start another rant......Bob

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Semi-Intelligent</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I live near Hershy and have judged all the Hershey meets for the past 14 years. I'd be honored to look your car over. Just respond to this and I'll get back to you. </div></div>

I think you may be responding to the OP's (65newyorker)original post but he has been banned after his rants and attacks on folks here. I for one do NOT miss him in the least. He attacked everyone who tried to help him because they wouldn't agree with him about his car.

BOB

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MCHinson</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Incorrect finish on bolts could theoretically add up pretty fast at a point each with a maximum of 10.

With a car that was restored 19 years earlier, I did not want to give up any unnecessary points. I know of a couple of potential lost points that I can't reasonably fix. 10 points could add up pretty fast. </div></div>

Here's a supposely AACA senior up for aution this month and I count 40 bolts holding the water jacket that should be painted and are polished instead. I guess 10 points per bolt were not deducted in this case.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tbirdman</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I guess 10 points per bolt were not deducted in this case. </div></div>

It would not be safe to assume that. If that car was the highest scoring vehicle in the class, even with ten points deducted from the score for incorrect finish on bolts, and it scored 375 or better it could get a Senior Award.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Here's a supposely AACA senior up for aution this month and I count 40 bolts holding the water jacket that should be painted and are polished instead. I guess 10 points per bolt were not deducted in this case. </div></div>

Matt's post was : <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Incorrect finish on bolts could theoretically add up pretty fast at a point each with a maximum of 10.

With a car that was restored 19 years earlier, I did not want to give up any unnecessary points. I know of a couple of potential lost points that I can't reasonably fix. 10 points could add up pretty fast. </div></div>

So on "your" supposeley AACA Senior car it isn't 10 point per bolt, it's 1 point each up to 10, the other 30 are "freebies". Max deduction 10 points. If the car was otherwise perfect it still would have gotten a 390 and it's Jr & Sr awards.

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There are four general areas to each vehicle that is judged. Chassis, engine, interior and exterior. Each area has it's own list of items plus an area where "other" items not listed can be deducted for.

Look on page 54 of the on-line Judges Guidelines book for the judging form. There are items that have a mandatory deduction and we must take that amount (Halogen headlights are 10 points no matter if there is one or up to four for example). There are areas, like the bolts, that there is a maximum that we can't take more than that per area.

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You are very welcome tbirdman.

If you get the chance go to a judges training class and get a free copy of that manual. They are usually held the day before a show. The class does not cost anything to attend.

Everyone is welcome whether you decide to judge or not. But you learn how and why we do what we do. The day of the show you can also attend a CJE class of your choice to learn more about the areas judged and other aspects of judging.

Just be sure to hand in the card they give you at the end of each class. That way you will get credit for attending incase you do decide to give judging a whirl. You will meet many great people along the way.

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  • 4 weeks later...

I was fortune to have worked in Chrysler, Dodge and Plymouth dealerships in the late '60s -early '70s so I know exactly what new cars looked straight from the factory. I set the new cars up for the first owners and few cars on the show fields meet the standard I saw. Most way up ,some way done, few in the middle

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I wouldn't feel too bad about 2 years. I have been trying for 1st Junior for 12 years. I bought this original 1953 Ford Mainline in 1997. I drove it for a while on tours but decided to go for show. I have been doing something to it every year for the past 12 years. I still drive it to shows. I was at Gettysburg this year and got 2nd Junior again. I now have (1) 3rd Junior, and (4) 2nd Juniors. Its a lot of work and satisfying to show the car. Its also a challenge too since there are those that have lots of money to invest in a restoration and you are against the best. I think you should think it as a challenge to yourself and enjoy the hobby. I love working on the cars ( I do all my own work except upholstery). I also have a 1953 Victoria and a 1953 Ford Sunliner I have been working on since 2000. It takes time but enjoy the time you work on it. Its a great hobby for rich and poor.

AACA Life Member

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'53, I can appreciate your tenacity in reaching for that elusive first junior.

May I suggest you send a letter to Joe Vincini, asking about your judging sheet info. Then, you may possibly spend your extra time on the areas of your car that need help.

Wayne

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: R W Burgess</div><div class="ubbcode-body">May I suggest you send a letter to Joe Vincini, asking about your judging sheet info. Then, you may possibly spend your extra time on the areas of your car that need help.

Wayne </div></div>

Good idea Wayne. Here is the address he needs to do that.

Here is the name and address to send a request, <span style="font-weight: bold">along with a S.A.S.E.</span>, for a highlighted copy of the judging sheet.

Joe Vicini - V.P. - Class Judging

3 Robbins Nest Drive

Perrineville, NJ 08535

And when he gets the copy he needs to park his car in bright sunlight and compare the sheet to the car.

Also, he might only be one point out of making the ten point spread so he needs to correct even small things.

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