1935Packard Posted September 2, 2008 Share Posted September 2, 2008 The St. Louis Car Museum always has amazing pictures of its cars, making this ebay listing of a '36 phaeton worth a visit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owen_Dyneto Posted September 2, 2008 Share Posted September 2, 2008 A lovely car and some very excellent photographs. A few inaccuracies under the hood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1935Packard Posted September 2, 2008 Author Share Posted September 2, 2008 <span style="font-style: italic">A few inaccuracies under the hood.</span>I don't know that engine so well, but it seemed to me that they went a bit overboard with the chrome.Also, were the steering wheels ever that shiny? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owen_Dyneto Posted September 2, 2008 Share Posted September 2, 2008 Well, OK, more than a few. On such an otherwise lovely car, I suppose any at all would be too many. On quick qlance I noted the cylinder head and water jacket distribution plate should be painted (green) as should the carburetor (black), the valve rocker shaft housings shouldn't be painted but natural aluminum. The plated engine trim should be nickel-plate, not chrome. Looks like the oil filler and road draft tubes are plated and should be painted black, etc. Still, it would be welcome in my garage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Speedster Posted September 2, 2008 Share Posted September 2, 2008 <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Owen_Dyneto</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I noted the cylinder head should be painted (green)</div></div>Wasn't there an optional aluminum alloy cyl-head, that was Not painted, in '36 ??I remember something about that but can't remember what years it was available?(It appears that is what is on that engine.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owen_Dyneto Posted September 2, 2008 Share Posted September 2, 2008 The 120s offered an HC aluminum head but I don't believe the Eight and Super Eight did. Could be wrong but I've never seen one or heard of one, nor is one mentioned in the parts book (none stating it's aluminum, that is). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbirdman Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Owen_Dyneto</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well, OK, more than a few. On such an otherwise lovely car, I suppose any at all would be too many. On quick qlance I noted the cylinder head and water jacket distribution plate should be painted (green) as should the carburetor (black), the valve rocker shaft housings shouldn't be painted but natural aluminum. The plated engine trim should be nickel-plate, not chrome. Looks like the oil filler and road draft tubes are plated and should be painted black, etc. Still, it would be welcome in my garage. </div></div>Look's like the restorer wanted more bling Also the starter end cap should be painted green along with the water jacket bolts I believe. Also the fuel pump should be gloss black. I question how can a car with an engine compartment so off from stock, still receive Senior status for both AACA and CCCA. Is it notthat many points for having an engine restored incorrectly? However most of this stuff can easily be done over correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest peter packard Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 G'day all, My 35 Super 1205 has an alloy head and as the vehicle has 25,000 miles original, I doubt that it has been changed. I know that the head was removed and unleaded valve seats installed by the previous owner. Perhaps he changed the head but where he would get an alloy one from, I don't know. Best Regards Peter Toet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owen_Dyneto Posted September 3, 2008 Share Posted September 3, 2008 Thanks for the confirmation of an apparent OEM alloy head on a 385 engine; it's a dull day that you don't learn something new. If it has a casting or part # and casting date on it, I'd appreciate knowing that so I can make a notation in my parts book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandpa Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 Re. the 1936 Phaeton on eBay -Perhaps it is the same car as shown in the factory photo of one with a spotlight.Grandpa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1935Packard Posted September 4, 2008 Author Share Posted September 4, 2008 Is that a Std 8 or a Super 8? (Note different bumpers) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Speedster Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 It does not have lights mounted on front fenders either, but it looks like a Super-8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Speedster Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 Well, here's an original Ad for '36 Super-8 Club-Sedan and it has same bumper and no fender-lights, the same as factory pic. So maybe the one on eBay has wrong bumpers and lights added ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Speedster Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 I think the one on eBay has Limo-12 bumpers: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Peterson Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 Upgraded (or downgraded) bumpers and fender lights were optional. Why this guy decided to chrome his fender lights is beyond me, but it goes with all the other bling he did to the engine compartment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbirdman Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 looks like some wants it with all the incorrect bling with a bid of $225K (though still below reserve)which I think is high for a 36 convertible especially in the light that this fairly correct 32 Super 8 coupe roadster only made it to $190K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandpa Posted September 4, 2008 Share Posted September 4, 2008 Re. the factory photograph of the 1936 Phaeton (above) -The back side of the factory photgraph is marked: "Packard Super Eight, Fourteenth Series, Model 1404, 8 Cylinder, 150 Horsepower, 139 Inch Wheelbase, 5-Person Phaeton (body type #951)."Grandpa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Speedster Posted September 5, 2008 Share Posted September 5, 2008 <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tbirdman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">looks like someone wants it with a bid of $225K (though still below reserve)which I think is high for a 36 convertible </div></div>It's probably the seller that placed the bid, trying to get it to that Outragious reserve. They been watchin' Barrett-Jackson Too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1935Packard Posted September 5, 2008 Author Share Posted September 5, 2008 Thanks for the clarification, Grandpa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest peter packard Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 G'day Owen Dyneto, I had another look and I believe that my alloy head may be a "special" as I discovered a set of head casting moulds amongst the spare parts which I got with the vehicle. WOW, it is really amazing and dare I use a Seventies term- Funky stuff. Best Regards _Peter Toet <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Owen_Dyneto</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks for the confirmation of an apparent OEM alloy head on a 385 engine; it's a dull day that you don't learn something new. If it has a casting or part # and casting date on it, I'd appreciate knowing that so I can make a notation in my parts book.</div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Speedster Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: peter packard</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I discovered a set of head casting moulds </div></div>Wow is right, Now you can go into the Head making business! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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