tbirdman Posted May 11, 2008 Share Posted May 11, 2008 Looking for a recomendation for exhaust system supplier for my 32 Packard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jjohnb Posted May 12, 2008 Share Posted May 12, 2008 Tbirdman, Not to sidetrack your question but also, are you considering stainless steel or just normal steel? My preference would be stainless but I had heard it chganges the sound of the exhuast? Does anyone have any opinions on normal steel vs. stainless? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbirdman Posted May 12, 2008 Author Share Posted May 12, 2008 I was going to use stainless. I hadn't heard about and drastic sound changes vs. steel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrpushbutton Posted May 12, 2008 Share Posted May 12, 2008 Kepich exhaust1121 Homestead Blvd. #272Lehigh Acres, FL, 339361-800-369-5764www.kepichexhaust.comYou won't have to tell them what a Packard is or answer"did GM make Packard?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Mitchell Posted May 12, 2008 Share Posted May 12, 2008 Call Steve Babinsky in New Jersey - his system will fit. He is a restorer of top flight cars and knows 32 - 34 Packards well. I don't like stainless as it sounds too sporty for a Packard, it definitely has a harsher sound. Most repop mufflers just don't sound right, if you ever hear an NOS system you will know what I mean. Packards were set up to be very quiet, not loud like a J Duesenberg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johan Boltendal Posted May 12, 2008 Share Posted May 12, 2008 I would not ever use stainless, the sound is indeed way off,the stainless transfers way more heat into the car,the expansion is far more then a steel one,thus giving way too much pressure on your manifold, pipe and muffler fittingsand a steel one will last forever as well, my '30 Cad has a steel one installed from 1985, wihout touching it till today.Good luck with your decision. Johan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owen_Dyneto Posted May 12, 2008 Share Posted May 12, 2008 I agree with those who have said that stainless systems give a louder, non-authentic and unpleasant sound, plus the crackling sounds as they cool down. They do transfer heat a bit faster if that's an issue. And with no lead gasoline, regular steel or aluminized steel systems seem to be lasting about 20 years or so on cars driven perhaps 40-50 times per year and given good storage, thus the extra cost of stainless isn't really of much benefit.Though it was a long time ago, I had a very poor experience with Kepich and wouldn't buy anything from them again. Steve Babinsky's shop does lovely work with exhaust systems, and as stated he knows the Classic Packards as well or better than anyone else - but I think his systems are only available in stainless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbirdman Posted May 12, 2008 Author Share Posted May 12, 2008 Well if Steve's exhausts are anything like the Bijur pump rebuild he did for me, his quality should be very high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owen_Dyneto Posted May 12, 2008 Share Posted May 12, 2008 I'm pretty competent myself mechanically, but have had several occasions to have Babinsky do some work for me, which is always nothing short of excellent; I've seen his exhaust operation (Borla East) quite a few times. They've got quite an impressive collection of original blueprints, patterns, jigs, and original systems to build off. Steve also has had new Fulton Sylphon bellows made for the older generation of Pines Winterfronts and rebuilds many of these units. His personal collection includes quite a few bona-fide Classics is pretty impressive too, mostly original unrestored. I believe it was last year he drove his Packard 2-36 coupe by Merrimac from around Seattle down to Pebble Beach. More courage than I'd have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Peterson Posted May 12, 2008 Share Posted May 12, 2008 <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Owen_Dyneto</div><div class="ubbcode-body">he drove his Packard 2-36 coupe by Merrimac from around Seattle down to Pebble Beach. More courage than I'd have. </div></div>According to my father, who drove his 734 speedster 10,000 miles in one month, there's not much that a valid Visa card can't handle. Of course, that car can move quite a bit faster than a 2-36. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owen_Dyneto Posted May 12, 2008 Share Posted May 12, 2008 That's the ex-George Jepson 7-34, isn't it? I had the pleasure of driving that car on a number of occasions. And as I remember George himself had driven in almost all the states of the Continental USA - do I have the correct car? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Peterson Posted May 12, 2008 Share Posted May 12, 2008 Yes. And, in fact, the car is named "George." I never heard that Jepson took the car in all 48 Continental states, but that is what my father did on his 10,000-mile tour. You drove the car when it had the Plymouth single-throat downdraft carburetor. When the original Detroit Lubricator dual-throat updraft was restored and installed, it was like unleashing twice the horsepower. The car is the most pleasurable I have ever driven. It currently has more than 300,000 miles on it. When the engine was torn apart just recently, it still had its original bore!!!Sorry for hijacking your post, Ken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbirdman Posted May 12, 2008 Author Share Posted May 12, 2008 Are those chromed wires? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Speedster Posted May 12, 2008 Share Posted May 12, 2008 What is the Logo on the door? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Peterson Posted May 12, 2008 Share Posted May 12, 2008 <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tbirdman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Are those chromed wires? </div></div>Noooooo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Peterson Posted May 12, 2008 Share Posted May 12, 2008 <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Speedster</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> What is the Logo on the door? </div></div>Colorado Grand. 1000 miles through Colorado. Two weeks after another 1000 miles through Colorado. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbirdman Posted May 12, 2008 Author Share Posted May 12, 2008 <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: West Peterson</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tbirdman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Are those chromed wires? </div></div>Noooooo. </div></div>West,I saw this car in the latest PI magazine. It has your preferred black walls but the owner lost his way with the number of lights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Speedster Posted May 12, 2008 Share Posted May 12, 2008 Black Walls ???????????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbirdman Posted May 12, 2008 Author Share Posted May 12, 2008 OOPS! Not sure what I was thinking. Maybe I was blinded by the lights It does have the West "trifecta". Chrome wheels, whitewalls and too many lights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Peterson Posted May 12, 2008 Share Posted May 12, 2008 Yup. Nine lights on the front is too many, but, I'm sure he could fit one onto the middle of the headlight bar if he found another.Actually, too much "stuff" all over the car. Windwings, contrasting hood louvers, extra color on the edge of the fenders, "Packard" in chrome on the stone guard... Sheesh. There's nothing left of the original design! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owen_Dyneto Posted May 12, 2008 Share Posted May 12, 2008 The first time I drove it George had a second transmission installed backwards behind the first, the kind of thing we all did when young and car-crazy. 4 speeds in reverse, WOW. Jim Tushinsky now passed, did an engine job or 2 on that car. Towards the end of the time George owned them, the 7-34 phaeton was the better driver. And his L-29 Murphy drove like an Ahrens-Fox with flat tires. But enough, I think we've hijacked this thread reminiscing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbirdman Posted May 12, 2008 Author Share Posted May 12, 2008 West,I didn't notice the ones on the cowl and was only counting initially the headlights, trippe and the other light in the middle. Yikes, what was the restorer thinking with 9 lights? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Peterson Posted May 12, 2008 Share Posted May 12, 2008 I wonder if you could even turn them all on at the same time. The car would probably quit after about a mile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Mitchell Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 Steve will do exhaust in mild steel upon request by the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest imported_Speedster Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 Ken, I know this is not what you're asking about, but thought I'd throw it out for those that have a welder (and know how to use it) and want to try it. JCWhitney has a good selection of exhaust tubing sections that allow the fabrication of very good systems. The systems on straight-8 engines are so simple it can be layed out and easily welded (unlike later systems with dual-pipes, crossovers, tight clearances, etc.)See link for mandrel-bent aluminized tubing:(Straight pieces are available from them also)http://www.jcwhitney.com/MANDREL-BENT-ALUMINIZED-TUBING/GP_2006247_N_111+10201+600012733_10101.jcw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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