jquam Posted December 27, 2007 Share Posted December 27, 2007 I am currently restoring a 1914 Kissel Kar 4-40 Semi Racer which uses an Esterline generator system. The Esterline is also used on a 1913 Mitchell, 1913 Stutz, 1914 Knox. According to the "Automotive Wiring Manual" (1912 to 1920) the Esterline generator is connected to a "Series B Controller". Does anyone have any info on this device....is it maybe internal to the generator...Thanks for any help John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldiron Posted December 27, 2007 Share Posted December 27, 2007 John; from an original printing of "Wells Auto Electricians Handbook" comes the following information. ESTERLINE; (permanent Magnet Generator) Types; Type D, series B and series CCharge rate; series B, all lamps off, maximum output 10-12 amperes; series C, maximum output 12-15 amperes.Generator; two pole machine with permanent magnet fields in conjunction with field windings carried on core across arch of magnets and above armature. Two brushes on opposite sides of commutator; positive on right, negative on left.Series B has three field windings on the core; one a shunt coil, another a reversed series coil, and the third a load winding. series C has two field windings; a shunt coil and a reversed series coil.Series B has 4 wire terminals on the dynamo, series C has 2 terminals.Test Terminals; Ammeter between terminal 2 and wire removed on either machine. Voltmeter on series B between terminals 1 and 2; on series C between terminals 2 and 3.Field terminals; series B has shunt field between terminals 1 and 4, reversed series (Batt) field between terminals 1 and 3, load field winding between terminal 2 and positive (right hand) brush. Series C has shunt field between terminals 3 and 4, series field between terminal 2 and positive brush.Regulation; reversed series field windings oppose shunt and permanent magnet fields to limit output. On series B machine the output is increased by the load winding when the lamps are turned on. No adjustment provided.Cut out; Magnetic, carried on fuse panel. Closes at 375-400 R.P.M., 6.5-7.5 volts; opens with discharge of 0.0-1.5 amperes. Spring tension and armature gap adjusted by screws passing through contact arms and armature on top of unit.John, this book I am quoting also shows both above described "Esterline internal circuits"; series B and series C.... the cutouts, of a type that I am familiar with, are in all probability, external of the generator itself, and as I quoted the book earlier, it mentions the cutout being mounted on the fuse panel. Finally, the Ann Klien collection had a 4-40 Kissel, as I recentlyread,and it is for sale; claimed to be original. If you can locate it, it could verify many of the details which you seek. Regards; jerry "oldiron" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jquam Posted December 27, 2007 Author Share Posted December 27, 2007 JerryThanks so much for the information on the Esterline generator. I really appreciate it!!RegardsJohn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jquam Posted December 27, 2007 Author Share Posted December 27, 2007 JerryWould you happen to know of the availability of the Type B cutout referenced in your reply...ThanksJohn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldiron Posted December 28, 2007 Share Posted December 28, 2007 John; Of the exact cut-out that you need, I have no knowledge.Give me a week, and I can reproduce a copy of the schematic that I have in book form, of your Esterline circuit. But, that is only a schematic. Another Kissel owner could tell you perhaps the manufacturers name, so that you could start a search. On the other hand, a generic cut-out could also work if you can wire it in. I do have a period, single point cutout; i.e. which works with the same voltages and amperers normally generated at the slower R.P.M.'s that are described in Wells handbook. I am not sure of it's applications but I had tested it out for use on my '13 Cadillac prior to finding the original "two point contact" cut-out which I really needed.Regards; Jerry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jquam Posted December 29, 2007 Author Share Posted December 29, 2007 JerryThanks so much for all the research work you are doing...once again I really appreciate it. I am in the process of trying to track down a Kissel like mine to get some information. Kissel only used the Esterline system for 2 years 1913-1914 so it makes it a little harder to find informationRegardsJohn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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