Bob27 Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------A friend just brought home a doodle bug built from a 1927 four door dodge sedan. It is missing the carb.A plate on the floor board lists a vehicle number of A-726948.Stamped on the driver side of the engine is B-779-809.Very unusual setup. The engine air intake is piggy-backed over the exhaust manifold. There is a port which goes crosswise thru the block between 2 & 3 cylinders. On that side of the engine is a second port above the first that goes back into the block and (assumed) to the intake valves. The carb must be u-shaped and connect to these two openings. From some research we think the carb would be a Stewart.There is no generator and the engine is fitted with a magneto. It has a regular starter, not a starterator. Looking for help on confirming the year of mfg, what model engine and what we need to replace/identify the carb. Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nearchoclatetown Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 That serial number would put it late July '27. Preheated air is drawn over the exhaust then goes to the back of the carb. Hit Ebay, there's usually a few on there, Detroit-Lubricator. A '27 has seperate starter generator. Where is the magneto located? Sounds like you have a conglomerant of parts. IS the carb on the passenger side or driver's side? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob27 Posted October 25, 2007 Author Share Posted October 25, 2007 Thanks for the reply and the info.The carb is on the driver side. We just found and bought a Stewart Detroit Lubrictor carb. Looks like the right one.I think the magneto is an "aftermarket" cobble. The bracket which holds the mag looks homemade. The mag is on the pass. side aft of the water pump. I seem to recall seeing a picture of a right angle drive distributor on one of these dodge engines.Is there a way to post pictures here?Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nearchoclatetown Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 Sounds like you have an older engine. IS there a large hoel on driver's side of bell housing for starter? Probably not. WHat brand is the mag? iS it attached to the waterpump shaft. Pics would be a good thing, but I don't know how. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob27 Posted October 25, 2007 Author Share Posted October 25, 2007 Yes there is a hole in the bell housing for the starter on the driver side.Yes, the mag is coupled to the water pump shaft.I read somewhere that the engine number and the vehicle number should be close to each other and they are.I will take some new pics tomorrow and post them on PhotoBucket or such.Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob27 Posted October 28, 2007 Author Share Posted October 28, 2007 Here is a link to PhotoBucket with some pics. http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v246/rbachman/RaysDodge/We did get a carburetor off ebay. I'm taking it to Ray tomorrow to see if it fits.Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nearchoclatetown Posted October 28, 2007 Share Posted October 28, 2007 I've never seen a magneto setup like that, don't think it's official DB. I've seen that type of mag on International tractors, I think maybe Wico brand. Post the pics down on the DB section, maybe someone can help you there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob27 Posted October 28, 2007 Author Share Posted October 28, 2007 The mag is a Fairbanks Morse and is a definite add-on.If you look at the right side engine view you can see theoriginal ignition coil still bolted to the top-frontof the head.Now to find a distributor setup.Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ex98thdrill Posted October 28, 2007 Share Posted October 28, 2007 I'll sell you a complete engine and transmission to include the carburetor for $500. E-mail me at pathorpe@rochester.rr.com and I can send you the pictures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest backyardmachinc Posted October 28, 2007 Share Posted October 28, 2007 Hello Bob,What you have here is a 3 main bearing,6 volt engine,with the backward DB shift pattern tranny.This engine was only produce for a fer months then the model D ngine with 5 main bearings were made.The dist. fite behind the pully Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nearchoclatetown Posted October 28, 2007 Share Posted October 28, 2007 Backyardmechanic, would this be the first '27 design? I know there at least 5, not sure of the sequence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest backyardmachinc Posted October 28, 2007 Share Posted October 28, 2007 Yes it was the first 6 volt engine By the way we had a good time at the DB dinner at hershery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest backyardmachinc Posted October 28, 2007 Share Posted October 28, 2007 Yes it was the first 6 volt engine By the way we had a good time at the DB dinner at hershery There were the 12 volt engine with no leter in front of the serieal number the A letter was still the 12 volt but repersents after 1 million,then came the 6 volt engines which were "B" same engine as the "A" but with 6 volt system,"C"engine was same as "B" but had 5 main bearing,the "D" engine were 5 main bearings and the OEM shifting patteren with the dist on the head,and 4 point motor support.Hope this helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob27 Posted November 1, 2007 Author Share Posted November 1, 2007 Thanks for the help!Now some more questions.How do you drain the oil from the crankcase? No apparent drain plug.Where do we find a new head gasket or what can be made to work?What do you mean by "Backward Shift Pattern"?Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nearchoclatetown Posted November 1, 2007 Share Posted November 1, 2007 There's a copper tube on the laft front of the oil pan that's attached to the oil pump. Loosen it to drain the oil. There's a screen inside the 2 bolt flange that should be cleaned in solvent, it's the only filter. Head gaskets can be obtained from most all gasket dealers or teh regular DB parts guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob27 Posted November 8, 2007 Author Share Posted November 8, 2007 Got the oil drained and refilled (6 qts. ??).Well, here are some more puzzling things about this engine.See pictures below.The carb fits fine and the tube on its air intake lines up with the hole thru the block. This carb is supposedly the "original oem" for the engine.BUT, the bowl on the carb interferes with the starter. If we rotate the lower part of the carb 180* the interference is eliminated.BUT, the carb air intake is now pointing away from the block. We seem to need a different carb or a shorter starter.Ideas??Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nearchoclatetown Posted November 8, 2007 Share Posted November 8, 2007 '27 has a carb that the bowl points front and the intake tube is in the rear. BTW, That pukey green is probably the original color paint, it looks close. You can clean the block up a little more with COLD oven cleaner, really works good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Anselmo Posted November 8, 2007 Share Posted November 8, 2007 Hey I take exception to that "pukey green" comment. It cost me $50.00 to have that color mixed for my Dodge.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nearchoclatetown Posted November 8, 2007 Share Posted November 8, 2007 Yea, that looks real nice, but didn't anyone tell you your carb is on the wrong side? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Anselmo Posted November 9, 2007 Share Posted November 9, 2007 Dang, Now I got one more thing to figure out! HA... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nearchoclatetown Posted November 9, 2007 Share Posted November 9, 2007 I should have asked before, but what color is your green? Did you have some original to match to or pick something close? I think either Renault or Peugot engine color is supposed to be close. I cheated and used flathead ferd paint.Yours seems very close to what it should be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwollam Posted November 9, 2007 Share Posted November 9, 2007 ROMARS sells correct paint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Anselmo Posted November 10, 2007 Share Posted November 10, 2007 I had a buddy of mine match it to some original paint on the backside of the waterpump. It looks pretty close. Seems like the stuff Romar has is not quite the same shade... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob27 Posted December 7, 2007 Author Share Posted December 7, 2007 We are going to need some new exhaust valves for the Dodge. We removed the old ones and had them refaced and now they are too thin on the edges of the bevel.Any idea on where to get replacements or some valves we could alter to make work?Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nearchoclatetown Posted December 7, 2007 Share Posted December 7, 2007 Bob, you can get valves from several sources. Romar, Myers, and Roy Brister would all have them. I'm sure Egge would too. I replaced mine a few years ago after one broke. Many new ones are stainless steel.You may want to replace the little pins that hold the springs on too. I made new ones from hardened drill blanks from McMaster-Carr. Mine were worn almost through, they would have soon caused trouble. My head studs were "eaten" from one side almost 1/4 of the way through. For the studs I bought B-7 threaded rod, again from McMaster-Carr. B-7 is super strong stuff. The only thing I came up with was galvanic reaction from the copper gasket. ALL the eaten away area was on the same side of the stud. I figure the gasket was shifted to one side and touched, causeing a battery effect. ANY IDEAS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob27 Posted December 20, 2007 Author Share Posted December 20, 2007 We were able to get the valves from Northwestern Auto Supply in Grand Rapids, Michigan. Thanks for the help.We have it RUNNING!Started it today for the first time. Lots of smoke, fumes, and BIG smiles. It hasn't run in 30+ years!Test Drive Soon.Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nearchoclatetown Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 Good on you for getting through this. MAke sure you have good oil pressure and get driving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian1925tourer Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 getting back to the carby problem. must be the wrong one for this motor. may look similar but not the one. that one would fit my "25". with starter/gen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob27 Posted December 21, 2007 Author Share Posted December 21, 2007 Brian,We are using the "wrong" carby by rotating the lower half 180* so the float chamber clears the starter. This of course makes the air intake face away from the engine. (As shown in the second picture.)Still looking for a "proper carb".Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Shayne B Posted November 27, 2012 Share Posted November 27, 2012 Can any of you guys help me with how to set the timing for a 27 dodge (A106449) - It has the starter/generator in one thing and I've just put in the magneto it is connected to the shaft connected to the water pump. Is there a top dead centre mark. And do I need to worry about timing retarding and advancing with revving etc.I've asked you guys because you sound so clever, and have talked about a similar car.CheersShayne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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