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2007 Hershey Show Sat.10/13

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exactly, i drive my car, this is why i dont show it a Hershey.

Ted, if that comment was elluding that you can't have a show car and drive it also, that's full of beans. I know of many national winning show cars that have been driven to every meet they have entered and consistantly score with the best of them. My 67 included.

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I think the problem that is being addressed here is what to do with a show car on Thursday or Friday while you are at the flea market. Unless you have an enclosed trailer, I know of nothing to do with a show car while you are walking the flea market. Life is heck. I drove 186 miles one way and did the flea market on Thursday and came back with a car on Saturday. I do not expect, with all the other problems this show has to deal with, that they would have day care for my car.

Maybe they save 50 spots at the end of the car corral for cars that are registered for Saturday and give them a place to park Thursday and Friday.

And yes, although I seldom do it, I saw two guys that drove from the Northeast to Denver for a Grand National show and did fine. You can drive, but you have to be prepared for a couple days of detailing.

Bill

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Is it just me or is it all the Post WWII car owners complaining? If we had a cut off date maybe there would be shorter lines to the show field.

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It took me an hour and 15 minutes to get into the show. I agree with most of the people that have posted on here.

My complaint is that when we left the car show on Saturday the exit route was great which I really liked. However, I did not know where I was going and where the road lead to. I think a sign at the end of the road showing whether to go left or right to the main roads would have helped quite a bit. Never having been in that part of the area I was a little lost but obviously found my way (despite having to drive through Baltimore before I found route 39).

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We hear constant complaints that "the early cars don't come out anymore". Is it any wonder? I can not imagine a worse scenario facing anyone with a real early vehicle than long, slow lines with a final hill to climb into the show field. Geeze! Please give a little consideration to those cars with cone clutches and rudimentary cooling systems. Certainly something can be done? I heard at least one very well heeled exhibitor of high dollar early show cars declare under oath that he would not return to Hershey if the show field remains as it is. We are restoring a very rare, very early and very crude vehicle. Likely we would not have been able to drive it onto the field under the conditions Saturday. Also seems pretty basic that there should have been signs directing folks to the various fields as well as to the show. First time I've ever actually seen show cars being pushed onto the show field. Anyone else attend the Judges Breakfast? We had the whole Giant Center to play with yet all of the tables were crammed together at one end of the ice rink with less than minimum room between tables. The Pledge of Allegiance had to be dispensed with. There just was not enough room at the tables for everyone to stand at the same time. Ridiculous! One last gripe then I'll shut up. The guy with the whistle...he needs Ritalin in the worst way! Like everyone else I commend the Hershey Region for ther dedication and hard work but the fact remains, someone dropped the ball on some pretty basic matters.

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Since I did not bring my car this year, and was sort of busy judging, I did not notice the path into the showfield. Now I understand why so many cars came onto the showfield late, and why so many were overheating. I do agree that whoever designed the judges breakfast seating arrangements was not thinking. There was also enough room inside the building, that the line could have been inside instead of standing out in the cold for 30 minutes waiting to be let inside the building. I am very happy that it was not raining.

With all of that said, I also would like to thank the Hershey Region for all of its hard work. It is much easier to complain than it is to plan an event of this magnitude.

I have faith that the powers to be will do their best to improve on all of the issues that have been raised.

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The following are my observations relating to Hershey 2007.

First, a big <span style="font-weight: bold">thank you </span>to all the volunteers who put in countless hours each year over many months to ensure that Hershey stands as it has been more many years, the premier event of its kind on the east coast and the world. Even with the problems this year it still is, in my opinion.

Second, as has been stated in other posts, the parade route to the show field took way too long and was choked with people milling around the car corral cars. I drove up from Rockville, MD the morning of the show and it took me half as long as the drive up to get in to the show field. Fortunately, I use my '57 T-Bird in parades and it is used to sitting in traffic, so I didn't have any overheading problems. I can surely understand that you might, especially if you have an old or marginal cooling system. It would have been a whole lot worse if the temperature had been 15 degrees warmer.

Third, the DPC cars (the class I was in) were stuck in the corner of the field and saw very little spectator traffic.

Fourth, I liked that the car corral cars were closer to the show field this year and that I was actually able to see them. That said, it seemed to me that there was a paucity of cars compared to prior years. It may be that a lot of cars changed hands in the days prior to Saturday. I also thought a number of cars being offered were under restored and over priced.

Fifth, because of the location of the show field, I was not able to see any of the flea market area. The friend I drove up with and I just didn't feel like making the long hike that would have been required just to do some browsing.

I agree with other posts that the layout of everything needs to be rethought. I think the show field needs to be more centrally located and in close proximity to the car corral. The actual flea market vendors should should be closer to this area and let the far away spots go to those people that are renting spaces for the motor homes. I will admit to a personal bias here since I don't usually come up before Saturday and I like to see as much as I can on that day. The current location of the show field really limits how much of Hershey I can take in on one day.

Finally, I think AACA should do a survey of people who have showed their cars in the past and have not brought them back. I love to see true classic cars like Duesenbergs and their ilk. When they are missing it is a loss for all of us. (Although, the Ruxton with the outrageous 4 tone paint job was really something to behold. I would have loved to see that car on the road when it was new.)

Once again, thank you for putting on such a great meet and here's hoping that steps are taken to make it even better next year.

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I've only been going to Hershey for about 8 years and in just that time I've noticed a deterioration. I realize the logistics must be overwhelming and the volunteers are to be saluted for their efforts but some of problems seem so blatently bad that it makes a person wonder. I would think adequate signage would be an easy no brainer but there never seems to be even the most basic of signs saying where to go. The traffic cops don't seem to be briefed since every time I've asked for directions they don't seem to have a clue. The HUGE motor homes on the field problem is getting out of hand and needs to be addressed. I wasn't able to attend the show on Saturday and was disappointed until I got home on Sunday and read the posts. Sounds like I dodged a bullet.

I live close enough to Hershey to just drop by a day or two at the flea market and as for the show, unless the problems are rectified I'll just do the regionals........Bob

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The following post is not mean to hurt anyone's feelings be they individuals, Hershey Region members or their officers or National Club officers. My apologies for the length of this post.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Steve Moskowitz</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There were problems. That is a fact! The Fall Meet Chairman apologized to everyone at the banquet and told them that they would begin to work on a fix right away. This year again there was a new footprint for the meet and the professional advice on the traffic flow was wrong pure and simple.</div></div>

The first step to dealing with a problem is admitting it. Glad to see the Hershey Region and National AACA have done that.

I think the next step should be to FIRE the "professional" who advised Hershey Region concerning running the show cars through the car corral. This person OBVIOUSLY did not consider all aspects of the situation before making a recommendation.

While the region is at it, they should demand their money back if this "professional advice" was PAID for. wink.gif

Next, it would appear a letter of apology from the Fall Meet Chairman to each and every show vehicle owner that was on the show field is in order. The Fall Meet Chairman needs to do this to demonstrate, in a tangible way, that he and the region recognized just how serious the problems that occurred at the 2007 show were and how serious they are about fixing them. I know of a LOT of show car owners that do not go to the banquet and do not read this forum. Along with that apology letter the Fall Meet Chairman should include a survey that show car owners should fill out and return. That survey should include all aspects of the show from the field to entrance and exits, food vendors, bathroom facilities, how the field was laid out, how the field was marked, parking, trailer parking, etc., etc, etc. The MOST IMPORTANT question on the survey should be the type of show field surface used. During the show there was a VERY LARGE NUMBER of show car owners that voiced their opinion regarding the show field surface. It would appear that Hershey Region and the National Club are SERIOUSLY mistaken regarding the consensus about the show field surface. If this survey comes back with a majority of people wanting a particular show field surface the Hershey Region should make any necessary change IMMEDIATELY, not in X number of years. Waiting until that happens sends a very LOUD and CLEAR message from Hershey Region to show car owners. (ie we do not care what the majority wants, the surface you get is what you get). Hershey Region needs to begin accepting feedback and suggestions about the event in a more structured way. A survey would be one such way. The National Club should also encourage ALL other Regions and Chapters to use such a survey following an event. After all, why shouldn't the show car owners be able to grade the event on how well it did or did not do when it comes to satisfying the needs and wants of the owners?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Steve Moskowitz</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Personally, I like cars on grass versus blacktop and would never hesitate to enter a show under those conditions. The site was on a former golf course that was open just three years ago and it was not THAT hilly. Again, some people prefer a flat antiseptic parking lot but I don't. The plan is for the area that the show was on to be paved some day but that is still awaiting approval. In the future it will be just another parking lot.</div></div>

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, that is true. It seems however that Hershey Region does not care about nor solicit the opinion of the show car owners in a structured way when it comes to the location/surface for the show. With all due respect Steve, I and some other show car owners find the whole golf course, drains well reasoning to be as flawed as this year's route through the car corral. So the ground may drain well, so what? Last time I checked the heaviest vehicle a golf course had to contend with is a golf cart with a few people and their golf clubs when it comes to weight. Compare that weight to the weight of a single show vehicle weighing 2,000 to 5-6,000 pounds. Then take that one vehicle and multiple by 500-1300 vehicles. In the case of a wet (all be it not flooded) golf course, those vehicles will tear up that grass surface in short order. What happens when those show vehicles get STUCK on the golf course field? Wouldn't you think some show vehicles might get damaged when they were being pulled out? What about a show vehicle simply sliding into it's neighbor when trying to park or exit the field? (Think Fall Carlisle and the mess they had this year when that happened.) Hershey Region and the National Club need to start thinking about the potential consequences of how things are done at an event.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Steve Moskowitz</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The fact is that the show requires thousands and thousands of hours all year around by a dedicated region who do this for free for all of us to enjoy. It is hard to please everyone but hopefully they will get the problems of 2007 fixed.

In the meantime, Tuesday through Friday were pretty great (even with the little rain)! </div></div>

Yes, events like Fall Hershey do require a LOT of WORK by many dedicated people. We should not lose sight of that and we should thank those people for their efforts. I have personally worked at many, many manufacturer specific car show events over the years which are close to the same size as Fall Hershey's Car Show. Getting to the show site before dawn and leaving after dark. I have attended numerous marathon meetings (6, 8, 10 hours in length) for shows. All that work for nothing more than a "Thank You" or a dinner every once in a while. Volunteers have a tough job and they deserve a BIG "THANK YOU".

Now on to my observations & suggestions:

- Do not run the show cars through the car corral ever again. People looking at the car corral vehicles held up the show vehicles

and on several occasions nearly became live, bleeding, hood ornaments. The legal ramifications for the show car owners, the Hershey

Region and the National Club could be HUGE in the event of an injury or death and the lawsuit that would certainly come about.

- Consider changing the way dash plaques are distributed at the show. Making each vehicle stop to get a dash plaque takes valuable time.

Next year put a ticket/card in the show car packet. Then instruct the show car owner to turn that ticket/card into a booth on the show

to receive their Dash Plaque. Doing this will keep the show cars moving and further cut down on the wait to get into the field.

Maybe this same booth where the Dash Plaques are given out could also sell coffee, juice and/or donuts/pastry to the show car owners?

If this booth idea is not workable then have the dash plaques given out on the show field when the cars are stopped to be directed to

their proper rows in the car show or by the people parking the cars in their individual spots.

- PLEASE, OH PLEASE, limit the number of times a show car is stopped by people working the show. I was stopped no less than FOUR TIMES

on my way into the show field. That is 2-3 TIMES TOO MANY. Doing that to even one-half the show cars means the show stands No Chance

at All of getting all the cars in and parked on time.

- Signs on the show field MUST be upgraded for future shows. All signs along "main street" at the end of the isles need to be LARGER and mounted on TALLER poles. These signs should also be mounted on 4-5 foot tall poles driven securely into the ground. The signs on these poles should use

numbers and letters 2-3 INCHES TALL. Having BETTER, more READABLE signs would allow the event to stop using so many people

that were stopping cars to direct them and holding up traffic. Also ALL SIGNS SHOULD BE PLACED ON THE LEFT OR RIGHT SIDE OF Main Street.

Someone SCREWED UP ROYALLY and placed some of the signs that belonged on main street on the gravel road instead. That added to the

confusion and traffic on the show field. If you want to re-use the signs year after year then mount the letters and numbers using

velcro onto the sign board. Small, hand written signs mounted on small wooden stakes that are easily hidden by cars and people walking

on the show field is a GREAT EXAMPLE of how not to utilize signs at an event especially one like Hershey.

- It has been said before that the show cars are TOO CLOSE together. This is an even larger concern when the cars are parked on a

sloped field. The class I was in was parked on a slope. When the car owners were cleaning their cars they had to "spot" each other's

doors so that they could clean the car and not have their door bang into the car next to them. The car owner also had to hold their

door while the car was being judged so the interior judge could do their job and not have doors banging into eachother.

The cars are also to close together for spectators as well. I witnessed any number of times when a spectator or another car owner

brushed up against a show car with their backpack, camera or coat. One has to wonder how many show car owners found scratches on their

cars after the show or when they got home. Yes, I know the show field does not have a lot of extra space however I do have a thought

for Hershey Region to consider. How about looking at the number of "Do Not Judge" cars on the show field and how they might be managed

differently??? Some in this thread have suggested cutting off the show cars at a certain year. What about simply not allowing the

"Do Not Judge" cars onto the show field? These cars are taking up spaces in many of the show classes. Over the last three years (2005- 2007)the DNJ cars have averaged 103 cars per show. That is more than just a few spaces on the show field and more than a few cars waiting

in line to get into/out of the show. An alternative to not allowing the DNJ cars on the field at all might be to park them all together

on another section of the field where they can be parked close together as they are now. This might free up some additional space in

the individual classes although I doubt it since the total number of cars will not be reduced, simply moved around.

- Traffic after the show being forced to turn right out of the show field was a problem again this year from what show car owners have

said. It is time for Hershey Region to just deal with this problem by making up signs to direct show cars back to Hershey Park Blvd.

and Route 39. Obviously, the new HERCO signs were useless to the many show car owners that are unfamiliar with the Hershey area.

- GOOD JOB as far as moving food vendors onto the show field perimeter. This year I was able to spend more time looking at vehicles

on the show field instead of walking over to the Giant Center for food and a port-a-pot.

Also a pat on the back for increasing the number of port-a-potties on the show field.

Finally, Hershey Region REALLY, REALLY needs to start thinking Long Term as far as the show field is concerned.

The current show site has produced traffic problems for TWO YEARS IN A ROW. This year, the car corral contributed in a LARGE part

to the back up of cars but is not the only cause of the problem.

Personally, I believe that the location and access to the current show field is the LARGER

and UNDERLYING problem that Hershey Region is failing to REALIZE or ADMIT is the root of the problem.

The eventual black topping of the current field will certainly prevent a muddy disaster when it rains which is good.

Unfortunately, it will not solve the access problem that the show field now suffers from.

With that in mind, I think it is time for the show to move back to the blacktop in front of the Giant Center.

YES, that would mean moving vendors off of that field and over to the current show field. Will that upset some/most of those vendors?

PROBABLY. Will it solve the access and backup problems getting to the show field? YES. Will it bring the car show to a more central location and make show car owners feel less like 2nd class citizens? YES. Will it prevent a muddy disaster the next time it rains ar Fall Hershey?? YES.

According to the number of show car participants as published in the Fall Meet Program the number of cars on the show field

is declining:

2003 to 2004 = DOWN 91

2004 to 2005 = UP 33

2005 to 2006 = DOWN 169 (1st year show was on grass)

2006 to 2007 = DOWN 17

Some could argue that the decline in show cars over the last two years (12.67%) may be due to the change in the show field

surface and/or it's location. Without a survey from the car owners who did not return after 2005 it is difficult to know for sure.

That is why the survey I mentioned earlier in this post REALLY NEEDS TO BE DONE by Hershey Region. They REALLY need to find out

what their "customers" (ie show car owners) like or dislike about the event so they can fix the problems (including the show surface and location if that is an issue). While Hershey region is at it they should include a SASE for the survey to be returned in.

Yes that could cost the region a little over $1000 in postage but I have a feeling they can afford such an expense for such an important, fact gathering endeavor.

My apologies for the length of this post but some of the items here have not been discussed in prior posts in this thread.

It is my sincere hope that Hershey Region and the National Club reads these thoughts and views them as constructive suggestions from a concerned AACA member who attends Fall Hershey and wants to see it grow and prosper.

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This is just a thought, but would ANY of you as business owners put up signs if you were selling a program with VERY GOOD maps in them? They give space number and more info then anyone can remember. Should all that be on a sign too? As was said in another post, you guys need a life!

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: nearchoclatetown</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This is just a thought, but would ANY of you as business owners put up signs if you were selling a program with VERY GOOD maps in them? They give space number and more info then anyone can remember. Should all that be on a sign too? As was said in another post, you guys need a life! </div></div>

On the surface the maps in the program might be a partial solution however I think you may not have considered some draw-backs to such a solution.

You might not realize that the so-called "VERY GOOD map" in the program and where some classes were on the show field DID NOT MATCH. Someone either made a mistake positioning the signs within the classes, changes were made to the show's layout after the program was printed or people parking the cars made mistakes. A least a few classes were NOT PARKED WHERE THEY WERE INDICATED ON THE MAP. Just ask the class that was physically parked behind my class instead of next to it where the "Very Good Map" indicated they should be. Poor signage, changes to the layout or a parking staff that may have been poorly briefed may have contributed to that situation.

Also, how many people buy the program? Not everyone does. How many show car owners come on the morning of the show and do not have the opportunity to buy a program? Not sure, but I would image some do. How many show car owners have internet access and can view the map on-line? Given the age demographic of many show car owners I would suspect that not many have internet access. Does the map printed in the program reflect the actual layout of the show or have last minuted changes to the layout been made? Only Hershey Region can answer that question.

FYI, I have worked at auto events that have nearly as many cars on the field as Fall Hershey. Some of those events have EXCELLENT signage, have LESS staff parking the cars on the field, stop the cars LESS often than Hershey and do not have NEARLY the traffic problems Hershey had this year. So maybe, just maybe, Hershey might benefit from some suggestions. wink.gif

Thanks to you and others for being concerned about my life.

I know there are a lot of caring people within the AACA and here on the forums. smile.gif

I took the time out of my EXTREMELY BUSY life to post what I did because of the extremely SERIOUS nature of some mistakes and the REPETITVE nature of other mistakes made at this years show. I heard so many show car owners on the field on Saturday say "this is my Last Hershey Show, I am not coming back next year". If that turns out to be true come next year, the decline in show attendance may comtinue to grow due to people being dissatisfied with the car show.

I have seen, First Hand, how serious problems have impacted other automotive events. Some of those events have spent YEARS try to rebuild their reputations and attract show car owners once again. Other events never recovered from their mistakes and are just a faint memory. While the Hershey Car Show is FAR, FAR from that point, it can ill afford to make light of the problems in 2007 or ignore input that is constructive. AACA members should do the same.

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After last year's unfortunate "getting lost in Hershey" experience (i.e. being directed to take a right out of the car show field and having no idea how to get back to the car show trailer parking field on Route 39), I did take the time to ask a show field parking volunteer how to get there, and received very good advice, which thankfully enabled me to get back to where I needed to go, no muss, no fuss. I don't feel I need to reiterate any of the car show field entrance horror stories that have been related in previous posts--I'll just say that it was a stressful situation for me--and thankfully we got thru it ok. I can only imagine the unbelievable amount of work by dedicated volunteers that it takes to produce an event of this magnitude, and I sincerely applaud everyone who did their best to put it together once again for 2007.

P.S.: I can't believe they allow VW Rabbits, of all things, onto the show field. Sheesh!

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: charlier</div><div class="ubbcode-body">- Consider changing the way dash plaques are distributed at the show. Making each vehicle stop to get a dash plaque takes valuable time.</div></div>

Dash plaques? There were dash plaques? I didn't get a dash plaque in the whole six times my car was stopped to direct me where to go (including that guy on the power trip with the stupid, irritating whistle). I thought they just did away with them. My buddy behind me didn't get one, either.

Here's another thing I saw that I thought needed addressing - bicycles. I saw a group of three people walking around with bicycles. These bicycles had no place being walked around on the field. Not only was there the chance that one of them could have damaged a vehicle, but they really interfered with foot traffic, which is difficult to begin with. Baby strollers are bad enough, and you're not going to be able to avoid them, but bicycles should be banned. There is just no reason for them to be there.

Also, there was a kid around my car with a skate board-looking thing with a steering tiller on it. The woman with the car next to me asked him sweetly to be careful - I was a little more direct and told him to get away from the car with it. He was less than 6 inches away from my irreplacable aluminum panels, all the while twirling and fooling with that contraption, all while the father was over gawkling/taking pictures of another car.

If you've got a field with limited access such as this one, then someone should be manning the gates and stopping items such as this from entering the field.

I've seen many comparisons to concours events. Never been to one - but I'll bet they don't allow bicycles, baby strollers and other such objects on the show field.

Paul

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Interesting thread and definitely some good ideas for someone to consider for next year.

Some of the miscues does make one wonder how they could of possibly happened, like running out of space (many) in classes even though the car counts have been in for months and why the police didn't let anyone make a right in our lane for 30 minutes at the red-light only just the other lanes. There were a lot of cars that overheated before they even started the long loop to the show field.

A+ for food vendors and additional porta-potty's though those in the clear back should of had some potty's like last year as those with canes, walkers and crutches had issues with the long walk.

The Hershey Region overall does a good job but one needs to wonder what the thought process was with going through a operational car coral with 1100 show cars, signs pointing the wrong way (if you could see them), one entrance for all vehicles onto the show field even though there are 2 entrances and double lane road, etc. Time for a lesson's learned meeting to make improvements / tweaks.

I like the grass field for showing even though I will have between 8 and 10 hours of getting the dust off and out of everything. I was lucky as I could set with my car this year (end spot) but many couldn't in my class (large cars). Probably explains why I was so busy all day as many of the spectators just could not walk between to see the other cars in my class.

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Based on all the complaints it is about time Hershey show went for 2 days. Pre-war (up to 1942) and Post-war. Shorter lines, more room for the cars. When I joined the AACA in 1964 the judging stopped at 1929, still more than 25 years old like today. Past 1929 were considered production cars. I think they had something going then.

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It took me 1 hour and 15 minutes to go almost nowhere. I started in the green field flea market and exited the field at Hockerville Road and had to make a big circle around the Giant Center to enter the show field, just to get my dash plaque. One of the biggest problems I saw was necking everyone down to one lane through the crowded Car Corral and spectators not letting Show cars move through. I was told "feel free to run over anyone in the way if it wouldn't hurt my car" by one of the officials, which I know he didn't mean, but he was upset that people were in front of the yellow caution tape. I think that the dash plaques should be put in the registration packets, and make Hockerville Road two lanes in, entering both from Hershey Park Drive and from 39 through the Car Corral.

Hershey is a HUGE undertaking and I commend all those who work to make it what it is. To work with Herco and the grounds that are available take a lot of planning and cooperations from both partys. Everyone must remember that Hershey Region only uses the grounds that are available to them, paved or grassy.

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Looking forward to next year's show - I can enter my '83 MB - one of my daily drivers - and drive right onto the show field and get cheap parking for the day! Only problem may be the old girl boiling over at crawl speed on line. Beats walking for miles through the "flea market" past rows of parked campers and mobile homes, passing one or two tables with parts for sale along the way. I would never enter one of my early brass cars in the show because I want to save them from the kind of abuse I saw inflicted on all the cars on Saturday morning.

I have been going to Hershey since 1970 and only missed a few years due to overseas military service. This year was the first time I was diappointed by the event. I do recognize it is a huge event that requires tremendous time and energy to plan, but since it is so huge more professional talent is needed to help the Region with organization, traffic flow, etc, all the points raised by other members' comments. Also, I am getting older and starting to feel the pain of walking for miles for 3 days, most of it past parked cars and campers, although the exercise is a positive aspect of going to Hershey! One commentator had a great idea - to organize the vendors in specialty areas.

Thanks to all those volunteers who help make the event possible - but it is time to hire proven professionals as well.

Don

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As a spectator, I really like the grass field and the long hill that the cars have to climb. I get there real early just to hear the sounds of the early engines pulling that hill. It is music to my ears. At car shows you never hear cars run. But I know it is tough on the drivers.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hwellens</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Based on all the complaints it is about time Hershey show went for 2 days. Pre-war (up to 1942) and Post-war. Shorter lines, more room for the cars. When I joined the AACA in 1964 the judging stopped at 1929, still more than 25 years old like today. Past 1929 were considered production cars. I think they had something going then. </div></div>

I hope someone pays attention to that sugestion! My first year at Hershey was 1969 and the cutoff year was 1940. This 25 years and its an "Antique" has to stop.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1937hd45</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hwellens</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Based on all the complaints it is about time Hershey show went for 2 days. Pre-war (up to 1942) and Post-war. Shorter lines, more room for the cars. When I joined the AACA in 1964 the judging stopped at 1929, still more than 25 years old like today. Past 1929 were considered production cars. I think they had something going then. </div></div>

I hope someone pays attention to that sugestion! My first year at Hershey was 1969 and the cutoff year was 1940. This 25 years and its an "Antique" has to stop. </div></div>

That would sure be a great way to promote new members - have them working on their restoration and then tell them, by the way, we changed the cutoff, your no longer welcome in your 25 year old car.

No matter how old the car is , it will never be old enough for some.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MR_TIP</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The only thing that was missed last year and this year was a small sign in the middle of Hershey Park Drive to show the entrance to the Red Field. They used to have such a sign. Last year we drove right past the entrance, as did others, resulting in having to make a turn into another street, turn around and try again. Obviously this adds to the traffic congestion. Such a simple thing, but easily overlooked (it was overlooked). In spite of some glitches, Hershey is still the biggest and the best.Fred </div></div>

We arrived Weds 7AM during the heavy fog and we saw no signs near the Giant stadium.

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Yes, it's too bad that some of the planning was not as it should have been and many car show entrants waiting longer than they should have to enter the field, but it wouldn't be Hershey if there wasn't something to be concerned about!

We arrived just after the downpour on Thursday and enjoyed every minute of our all too short visit. The swap fields were well manintained and vendors said that they did well. The car corral had it's share of overpriced iron, but heck, I was only window shopping anyway!

I will agree that the car show entry needed some help. I read where professional advice was given around how to get cars onto the field and I hope the AACA seeks other assistance next year. I like cars on grass...treeless blacktop is just too sterile. And, remember folks, they ARE car and were MEANT to be driven. I know, you've got a pile of money in it's restoration and want to maintain it, but this IS Hershey, THE show of shows so once a year, bring your vintage iron out and share it with the thousands who attend. That's why we come to the show...to admire your work. Don't worry, we can see thru the dust!

I can't wait for next year!

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