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Wow, very interesting. I never knew of such component. This is definitely something I will need to check when I pull the water pump. Very much appreciated.

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Dan

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We had a mystery problem on one of the race cars and it turns out that we did indeed have a leaking head gasket. The engine compression built up in the cooling system and the tubes in the radiator expanded and would not let any air thru.

Oh yea, if you accidently use an old ford 9N fan it will push air in the wrong direction, that one took us a while too, use a shop towel in front of the rad, it should suck up to the radiator at an idle. If it does then you have enough air flow and there is another problem. Plugged up radiators are common on these old cars.

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Well, I haven't posted any updates in quite a while. Not much new to tell. I've got the 'ol girl tucked away safe and sound now in my barn for the winter. I ended up replacing the voltage regulator with a new NOS one and now all my lights are good. I have not addressed the engine overheating problem yet, I think I'm going to pull the radiator and completely flush it, and pull the water pump so I can see the water distribution tube and whether it is intact or not. I am seriously considering pulling the head and changing the head gasket. I'll see what I can do over the winter, but with no power and no heat in the barn it'll be limited. Will probably dive in again in the spring time. My goal is to have her road worthy by the end of next summer. We'll see... I went down to the Fall Carlisle show and found some things, a 1939 driving records book from Shell. That'll go good with my 1939 Mobil NYS road map, and 1939 Mobil NY Worlds Fair map, and a NY Worlds Fair key chain for my keys. I also found a nice tin light bulb box with new bulbs inside by Mazda, and some proper type hose clamps. I found an "America First" pin back button from 1939 reflecting the American Neutralisim feeling prior to Pearl Harbor. Then, a great find right here at home, a box of parts from the previous owner that he still had, which contained the battery cover that I had assumed was long gone, a set of original Mopar fog lights that had once been on the car, and an original clamp on side view mirror that had been on the car at one time. I appreciate everyone's help here on the forum. I plan on joining the AACA out here, I believe it's the Capital Region. One more question, what is a good way to keep the mice out over the winter while she's in the barn?

Regards;

Dan

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Do a search on the mice thing, everyone has an opinion. "Fix" one thing at a time , as far as the overheating goes. Then you will know exactly which one fixed it. Glad your car is coming along, now you need to get to Hershey, better then Carlisle.

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I put a couple of sheets of bounce dryer sheets in all of my cars. The mice dont like it and its easy. I also have heard that they dont like mothballs.

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Hi Dan. I assume you have packed it away for the winter from your last post. I can share the feelings you've indicated .Went through much of the same with my '38 D8.I have a NOS oil pressure guage for a '38. From what has been said about the pressure and that the guae remained "pegged", I would think that the brasstube in the guage distorted past the normal limit. There is a guy in Arkansas at Williams Inst.s that can repair the original for a reasonable price. At least his charges were reasonable to me, and I avoided the to hunt for replacements.I think he does have a website.

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wbower3,

Thanks for the info, very much appreciated. I'll do a web search for the site and check them out. Yes, she's all put away now for the winter. I'll have at it again in the spring time and pick up where I left off. Thanks again, take care.

Dan

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Well, spring is here and I'm back at it again. Hope everyone is doing well. Just came back from Carlisle, bought a brand new waterpump, wheel cylinder kits, master cylinder kit, a nice set of Unity 6v amber fog lights, and some automobila. I started work on the Dodge again today, I removed the hood and side panels, then pulled the fan and waterpump, then pulled the radiator. I am going to turn the radiator upside down and flush it out again. I need to get a look inside now and see what the water distribution tube looks like, I have a new replacement one if needed. Then I'll install the new waterpump. I'm hoping this will get my overheating problem corrected. If so, then it's on to the brakes and clutch. I was able to find another oil pressure gauge over the winter, that's on the to do list as well.

Dan

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Was able to get a look at the water distribution tube and it looks good and solid. All complete, and actually quite shiny. So I decided on not pulling it out and changing it. I installed the new waterpump and gasket, I flushed out the radiator upside down, then re-installed. New gaskets on the thermostat gooseneck and heater bypass. All back together now and hopefully ending my overheating problem. Now I directed my attention to the brakes, pulled the front wheels yesterday, the shoes were actually in good quite condition, as were the drums. I rebuilt the front wheel cylinders and repacked the inner and outer wheel bearings. Waiting on a wheel puller tool that I just ordered so I can do the rear now. Then I might rebuild the master cylinder next after that.

I worked on the frozen clutch, I blocked the pedal and removed the inspection plate. I was able to get a putty knife all the way around as I clicked the starter to turn the flywheel to move it full circle. So it appears to be free from the flywheel.

Dan

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Greetings all,

Moving right along in the resto on my '39 D11 but ran into a few things I could use some help on. I have rebuilt the front brakes, and repacked the inner and outer bearings. Now I am working on the rear. I have rebuilt the rear wheel cylinders, and sent the shoes out for re-lining, and the rear drums are being turned.

First question... as I said I have removed the rear drums so I could rebuild the wheel cylinders and get the brakes working. One side was leaking rear axle oil into the drum and contaminated the shoes. I pulled the brake mounting plate and rear axle outer oil seal. I have replaced the oil seal with a new one, and in reassembling, I have forgotten where the two thin metal shims go? Are they behind the brake mounting plate, or are they supposed to go in front of the brake mounting plate and behind the axle outer oil seal? I believe that they belong behind the brake mounting plate, between the axle housing and the brake mounting plate. Meaning that the shims would go on first, then the brake mounting plate, then the oil seal gasket, then the oil seal. Am I correct?

Second question, I was able to get one horn to sound, one will not. The test light shows it is getting power to it but it will not sound. What would cause this? Just a bad horn? Would it be the relay?

Regards;

Dan

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Hi Dan,

According to my 39 dodge parts book...

Do these plates have 5 bolt holes?

Those plates come between rear axle housing and "axle drive shaft bearing oil seal"

I think that if the horn gets power but does not honk wink.gif then it's a bad horn.

If the relay is bad, the horn wouldn't get any power .

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Yes, my plates have five bolt holes. My Dodge service manual shows a diagram with them between the rear axle housing and oil seal as well, BUT... the diagram does not picture the brake mounting plate at all anywhere, so I really cannot go by that picture. Does your service manual show the brake mounting plate in the diagram that you are looking at?

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also it wouldn't hurt to run a piece of fine grade sandpaper between the contacts .

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dodge Deluxe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yes, my plates have five bolt holes. My Dodge service manual shows a diagram with them between the rear axle housing and oil seal as well, BUT... the diagram does not picture the brake mounting plate at all anywhere, so I really cannot go by that picture. Does your service manual show the brake mounting plate in the diagram that you are looking at? </div></div>

I guess we are looking at the same picture, BUT, why would the shim plates be after the brake shield(on the drum side)? I guess the shim plates should tight up the horizonal movement of the rear wheel bearing?

(wow, i hope you understand what I mean with my english smile.gif )

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I have the shims installed correctly, I looked in my 1942 "Audel's New Automobile Guide" and there was a good picture, they do indeed go behind the brake mounting plate. I've got the wheel cylinder on now and just waiting to get the shoes and drums back from being relined and resurfaced.

As far as the horns, the shorter of the two will sound but not the longer one. I tried rapping it with a small hammer, no go. Where are these contacts some of you mentioned? Do I need to open up the horn itself?

Dan

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Wow, that's just the exact part I put on. Too bad I already bought one, that would have been a good price for the pair. Thanks for pointing it out, maybe it would be worth getting a few extra.

Dan

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Theres nothing wrong with your english Mike i understood every thing you wrote, and you are right the shims do go on before the backing plate, i have a 39 DeSoto which along with the 39 Chrysler uses the same diff as the Dodge , and that is where they are on my car,and also on a spare diff that i have which actually came out of a 39 Dodge D11

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to access the contacts just remove the cover at the rear of the horn , there is only one screw in the center of the cover

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Thanks all for the help. I took apart the horn and cleaned it up, I now have both horns working. Thanks again all.

Dan

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I'll tell you what if all keeps going smooth I'll be to that point here soon, hopefully. So far, so good...

I won't be ready in time for the AACA show here in July, but with any luck I'll get a chance to be behind the wheel and on the road before the end of summer.

Dan

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I just got 39 dodge coupe 3 months ago, the windshield wipers are electric and up under the left dash,,positive ground on the battery hookup, it will take a heck of a puller to get the rear drums off !! might have to heat them with torch as I did .. I would like to see some photos .. I'm looking for a 39 Overdrive trans for my rig and dash gauges .. SWCARL@hotmail.com let me know if I can help you more and maybe help with parts for you and me... Carl

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