Marty Roth
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14 minutes ago, kbeach said:
I agree with @63RedBrier and @Marty Roth. Plus a few pictures of the engine, trunk, underside and some more of the headliner and back seat would be a big help. We owned a 1956 400 about 15 years ago. I loved it but wife did not. End of story.
We've all heard it-
If Mamma ain't happy,
... Ain't nobody happy.
Thankfully Dale has enjoyed just about every vintage car we've had -
The one exception was the $1,250 1952 Kaiser Manhattan, bought sight unseen from a dealer - at the time a fair price for a #3 driver, according the the Old Car Price Guide.
The seller offered to drive it to me for costs of meals, a night in a motel, and a flight home.
Then it started:
after I sent the full payment,
He "found" part after part there in town up in Iowa I shouldn't be without,
oh, and maybe service the Hydra-Matic,
and do an alignment,
and get a new spare tire,
and then he needed his nephew to help him drive - so another set of meals and another flight home ---
and then they got caught in a blizzard on their way - stuck in the car for three days smoking cigars and eating who knows what !
the car smelled so bad that my wife would not get within five feet of it, much less ride in it !
I had to strip the interior to bare metal, paint, full upholstery, door panels, carpets and headliner
Ultimately we had more than $8000 in a $1,250 car - and she still hated it.
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My Dash Cam also saves to an SD Card, - very important !
we're now on our 4th updated version-
started using one following when we were T-Boned August 2017 on our way to judge the AACA Meet at Bettendorf, Iowa, and a woman in a GMC SUV coming the opposite direction dropped a water bottle, sideswiped a truck on her southbound side of I-55, crossed over the median, slammed broadsides into our little Chrysler Sebring convertible (then tried to make it seem it was our fault ??). Wish we had the dashcam back then, but ultimately were able to prove our case.
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20 minutes ago, 6T-FinSeeker said:
One month after the price reduction and still no takers...
I'd love to take it on a couple of tours - Maybe Founders, Chrome Glidden, Orphan?
but ...
Those of us who lust for this style, the Packard senior series cars, and this sweet body style,
are painfully aware of aging out, (us, not the car),
no longer fully capable of doing the heavy work when (not if and when) needed,
and having a support group familiar with
1. Packard's Torsion leveling suspension
2. Ultramatic
I may have jumped on one like this (although we only have convertibles) back in my 30s, 40s, and maybe in my 50s,
but not in one's ninth decade ...
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On 11/22/2023 at 10:26 AM, B Jake Moran said:
Wasn't the Pacemaker the lowest cost entry for Hudson? Not that it matters much at this point. I do not think in 1951 Hudson offered an eight cylinder. Big mistake. I owned a 49 Commodore 8 but that motor was very pre war technology and the 308 6 cylinder was actually a new design. But they never went further and when you go from offering an 8 cylinder in 1949-50 to "oh, we are only going to offer 6 cylinder motors now, and flatheads to boot", and the competition is coming out with V8's, well bye bye Hudson.
Jake,
Hudson did, in fact, continue their Commodore Straight Eight cylinder through both 1951 and 1952,
a High School friend years ago had a '51, and a musician I worked with had the '52,
although they were earlier tech, and the 308 was hot stuff
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1954 Chevy Power Steering was driven off the back of the generator.
I had one of those generators which was passed along to a friend who needed it
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2 minutes ago, Leif in Calif said:
Exactly right! I wonder if the OHVs of early Chevys and Buicks was as much a marketing ploy as a performance enhancer. The disadvantages of the flathead did not show themselves until advancements in fuel and metals allowed higher RPMs and higher compression. At 5 or 6 to one compression and a max of 3,000 RPM, there is no advantage to OHVs, only higher production and maintenance costs.
Leif,
I would debate that premise from an efficiency point of view.
I believe the OHV configuration, as opposed to L-head, F-head, Flathead, etc tended to provide improved "breathing",
reduced carbon buildup on pistons and valves, reduced frequency of maintenance, easier valve adjustment when needed, and likely some others I've forgotten.
Low-end Torque may indeed become a factor.
In 1928, Chevrolet's new cylinder head was designed around dual exhaust ports for even better breathing, and flow of exhaust gasses
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Our local AACA Chapter President and his wife gave me, among other things, a new Dash Cam with a backup camera as well as both front and rear recording.
(They also happen to be our daughter and son-in-law).
Great for our tow vehicles, as well as touring to document what happens the next time some other inattentive driver screws up, causing years of litigation
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Comparison:
I replaced with Coker Bias ply on my 1937 Buick 80C Roadmaster Phaeton (convertible sedan)-
I replaced with Coker Bias-Look Radial American Classic on my 1941 Cadillac Series 62 Convertible Coupe (cabriolet)
Both are mounted on the car's original rims.
I replaced with Coker Bias-Look Radial American Classic on my 1954 Cadillac Series 62 Convertible Coupe
They are mounted on the Coker/Wheel Vintique aftermarket version of my original spoke rims, sealed for tubeless tires.
We tour all cars extensively, many thousands of miles.
I do not notice a significant difference in ride or handling on the earlier cars, but the 1954 may have a very slight edge in higher speed cornering when needed.
Both seem to deliver a good driving experience.
I continue to have tire balancing problems with the Radials, seemingly requiring much more balance weights, and still not satisfactory, but then I'm very critical of vibration.
The Bias-Ply on the Buick do go down the road at all speeds, as smooth as anyone could imagine, even at Interstate speeds when required, although I prefer not to overdo it.
The radials on the '41 Caddy are relatively new and show almost no wear after thousands of miles, but when they age out,
I'll replace them, probably going back to real Bias Ply with the correct size whitewalls, as this car was delivered, and as I toured it for its first 26,xxx miles of my ownership.
The tires on my 1930 Packard Touring with wire spoke wheels are older, maybe a bit stiff, but with no serious wear or cracking.
I would absolutely not install radials on this car!
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Early 1950s Pontiac could not have had a V8-
Only a Straight "6" or Straight "8" Flathead through 1954, and the afterward, only an Overhead valve V8.
Of course if you are street-rodding it, then it does not matter,
But the only GM Flathead V8 was Cadillac through the years with the final one in 1948,
after that all '50s Cadillacs were OHV-8
Good Luck
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I gave up my subscription several years ago, and felt sad taking Sixty years worth of issues, and every issue of HemmInge Classic Car to be recycled -
couldn’t even give them away -
same for decades of Old Cars Weekly,
and most major clubs-
n my any trips with a fully loaded suburban
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Scroll down and post this in the CARS FOR SALE area,
and please add pictures from every angle, including engine, chassis, interior, history, location, and price 1
you will get reasonable responses
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2 hours ago, Fossil said:
Wooden boats and airplanes are both expensive to own. Having owned and maintained both, airplanes are definitely a bigger money pit than older boats. Making a bad choice in any hobby can be .
Are there any free hobbies?
There are likely some, but other than sitting on a bench, watching people, or walking the neighborhood above and beyond my normal morning exercise, I can’t think of any which would do anything for me.
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Back around 1983 we had a red 1971 Buick red convertible, white top and interior, and the A/C worked flawlessly.
My wife, two kids, two dalmatians, and I could sit in the front seat and drive River Road, seeing the Levee Bonfires in the River Parishes on Christmas Eve.It had a bit of rust in the lower leading edge of the passenger door, and I foolishly sold it, thinking the (never ending) restoration of a '66 Mustang GT convertible for our teenage son would soon be done.
It was (only) a Centurion, not a 225, but what a memory !
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18 hours ago, Terry Bond said:
Good grief. It would take all week to load in! Tremendous amount of work for volunteers to check in vendors. Don't assume all vendors arrive at the same time and day. This would totally eliminate the ability to advertise your spaces to friends and customers. Where do we tell the Porta potty companies to unload our rented toilets? How would the tent companies know where to erect tents? While I've always believed there's no such thing as a bad idea, this one is a non-starter.
Sorry to be so off topic but the floodgates are already open. Other thoughts on hold while waiting to see if this thread gets moved to the HERSHEY forum, or elsewhere.
Oh, my registration us on its way for the coming year. I look forward to seeing everyone again.
Terry
COMPLETELY AGREE !!
TERRY SAID IT WELL !!I've had the same spaces (CG 32,33,34) since the Chocolate Field was first opened in 1984 -
Just a bit north of Lamppost 58
Friends, potential, and pre-purchase clients know where to find me.
Move me around haphazardly on a field based on who is in front of me in traffic ?
@#%&$ N0 WAY ON G-D's GREEN EARTH !!
For the gent who drives four hours to get there and doesn't want to sit in an unending line - YES !
(... and we drive nearly 24 hours each way, so yeah, right on ...)
Does anyone really think that an additional $10 per space, Once a Year, will hurt any of us that much as to affect vendor space rental?
Probably not, at least in my opinion.
We spend a small fortune in Diesel Fuel, Motels, Meals, Tow Vehicle and Trailer Maintenance-
AND THAT IS JUST TO GET TO HERSHEY AN BACK HOME -
--- Much less the extreme Lodging prices for the week we're there -
--- and yet we do it year after year, believing it is worthwhile for a great many reasons !
Do I love price increases?
Of course not, but we pay a bit more every year for food, clothing, etc,
although Fuel prices are nicely lower now than last year.
Last week I paid $2.19/gallon for 87 Octane at Sam's Club
(Yes, $2.19, but it has since gone to $2.24, and may increase -
but much lower than five and six years ago when we were paying more than twice as much !!)
Am I happy about the increase ? Of course not, but will deal with it the same way I deal with the increased cost of spark plugs, motor oil, and a pair of jeans -
... shrug, roll my eyes,
, and carry on.
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On 12/20/2023 at 7:30 PM, Ed Luddy said:
Lovely boat and a work of art. My good friend had a late 60's 31 ft Trojan woody, twin 318 Chrysler power that I loved touring on. The way they cruise thru the water is totally different than Fiberglas or metal boats. I was docked beside him at the marina with my plastic Sea Ray. For the 1st few weekends of the season it was always running the bilge pumps with very little breaks. Hard to sleep, and plenty of trips to the head!
Once the teak swelled up it was much better.
Our family kept our all wood 22 ft Trojan with Grey Marine inboard at the High-Mar, and also Atlantic Highlands Marinas from the mid 1950s through the 1960s, generally maintaining it at our home on a semi-annual basis. We split time between boating in the Sandy Hook area, sometimes crossing the narrows to get a Hot Dog at Nathan's in Coney Island or fishing off Acid Rocks - and then following Dad's interest in Flying out of Linden Airport , first with the Cessna "171" (a 170, converted to tricycle landing gear), later a Piper Cherokee 180D, and ultimately a Beechcraft Bonanza.
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On 12/22/2023 at 11:15 AM, Leif in Calif said:
$48,000 seems steep to me, but it sure looks like fun. The seller (Ed Archer) is a fixture of the pre-war class at Monterey. More pics in ad
https://www.prewarcar.com/521889-1913-hudson-6-54
An ultimate early speedcar. Low, sleek, sporty and fast. 1913 Hudson 6 54 speedster. First year of the Hudson Super Six. Plenty of power and plenty of good looks. Great road car. The car was probably first restored sometime in the early 1950s. I saw a picture of it on a horseless carriage tour back in 1953 or 4. Currently, it’s a “barn find”, been in good dry storage on jack stands for 40 or 50 years. Before the owner died a few years ago he used to routinely start it up and let it run awhile. With Hudson’s introduction of their six cylinder engine in 1913, they proclaimed that they were “The largest producers of six cylinder automobiles in the world” The transmission type is a 3 speed selective gear. Even though there’s still a hand crank handle in front, original equipment includes a Delco electrical system complete with self starter. The wheelbase is 127 inches. The colors of this car are dark burgundy and black, with black leather upholstery, and varnished natural wood spoke wheels. It is equipped with a monocle windshield, running board spot light, Firestone Non Skid tires and a great exhaust whistle. It could be cleaned up and driven as is with the great patina, or is worthy of re-restoration. Price is negotiable as it has to be sold.
To the best of my knowledge, this is NOT Hudson's Super Six which would have been introduced as a "2nd Series" in 1916, with the same 288 ci displacement as my 1915 Six-40, but with 76hp instead of the '15's 40hp.
The Model 54 was a huge L-head 441 ci with a claimed "Rated" hp of 40.9
The Super Six would remain in production for many years - not so for the 6-54
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It should be similar to the one in our 1941 Cadillac convertible-
but contact Doug Seybold -
he likely has what you need
Doug Seybold Restoration Specialists
2761 Clark Parkway
Westlake, Ohio 44145
440-835-1193
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Sharp !
Makes me think back to my 1954 Mercury convertible,
loaded with every conceivable option they offered,
plus the sand shooters for the back tires when on ice or snow
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I’ve probably shown this before, but here in the New Orleans area, and all across south Louisiana, it is extremely rare to have snow-
but that quarter-inch we seem to get once every ten or so years really shows how little the general population seems to understand how to drive- or actually how not to drive, when a dusting of snow graces our landscape.
For my part, I’m prepared for the worst of winter weather:
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7 hours ago, Steve Moskowitz said:
https://www.chattanoogan.com/2023/12/20/479996/Lillian-Thomas-Weaver-Coker.aspx While many of you might not have met Lill and her husband Harold they were quite the couple. They defined southern charm. Harold has passed already but Lill has now gone too. The world is a little less bright without her light in it. She was special. Condolences to Corky, Teresa and the entire family.
A very special couple !
Lill was always especially sweet and thoughtful, both with Dale and myself.
... yes, they defined charm,
but also created an industry,
raised a family we've come to admire and appreciate,
and left an indelible mark on a great many of us.
Condolences to Corky, Teresa, Christie, David, and all family.
Rest in peace, Lill Coker
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On 12/13/2023 at 1:09 PM, Elpad said:
I believe these pictures were taken at the Linden, NJ B-O-P Assembly plant on US-1,
the day that I was there.
My firefighter dad was also the driver for Linden's Fire Chief. Chief Miller was asked by Mayor Hurst to attend Jackie Gleason's visit, and knowing my fanatic passion for cars, and especially Buick, the chief told Dad to get me out of school to join us for the day Mr. Gleason followed the car through the entire assembly process.
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3 hours ago, Steve Moskowitz said:
Peterson, I am going to respond to this before Ed Minnie sees it! Yes Ed, I realize my nose would be big enough for nose art! For those of you who are not aware of the term it is the art put on aircraft noses during the war.
Nose Art was fantastic, and back in 1988 , Louisiana Region hosted a Thanksgiving Week Tour down the Texas Gulf Coast, and Up The Rio Grand Valley,
stopping at Harlingen, where the Ghost Squadron of the (then) Confederate, now Commemorative Air Force was located. There was an entire hanger of this type of art, cut from the noses of WWII Aircraft.
By the way, if Nose art depicted females,
It was called GIRL ART, not Nose Art-
Beautiful in any case !
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If it is a cheaper version of Kill Switch, it may be dropping voltage, and temporarily bypassing it can help your evaluation.
If that solves it, then get a good quality switch -
also go back and check ALL GROUNDS, including where anything was freshly painted
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A late member of our local club had purchased a 1949 Buick Roadmaster (4 Ventiports, or Portholes)
Louisiana Office of Motor Vehicles refused to authorize the Personalized Antique Plate "4 HOLER",
they claimed it was obscene - but then so much here is controlled by North Louisiana Self-Righteous, You'd think we were Mississippi, Alabama, Arkansas or Georgia ...
, and carry on.
Mecum Florida Auction Seller Fees
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Posted · Edited by Marty Roth (see edit history)
Over the past 50 or so years I've attended, as well as assisted with several auctions, including, but not limited to Kruse, Barrett-Jackson, Mecum, and RM Auctions America.
I'm surely not an expert, and will never claim to be, but have observed a significant amount. I won't even bother to discuss to old Kruse organization - enough has been noted there. One of my cousins, a significant collector, has bought many auction cars - many for one of his Used Car Lot businesses, but also several collector cars - one, a red '57 Bel-air convertible just to meet me and drive an AACA tour. He paid what I considered at that time an outrageous amount based on how shiny it was, but unfortunately ir ran poorly and I spent time getting it roadworthy, rather than touring. The same major super televised auction house, again plying favored bidders with free booze, but this time he bought a '58 ElDorado convertible for another AACA tour, and only slightly better results. He has sold most of his collection via another super pizzaz televised auction house. The times I attended with him, notably in Houston, just about every time the bidding stalled, they pushed him to drop his reserve, claiming the bidding "should" fire up. They did sometimes offer him a somewhat lessened seller's premium for each of the several cars he had shipped there. Each and every time, the bidding did not increase, and the cars sold at that same price. That way the house gets the sale and he pays the transport, consignment, hotel, meals, and seller fees, but the car is gone - likely at a lower net price than if he had sold it privately.
Personally having witnessed a bit of the insides of the business, if I ever had to use the auction process, there is one house I might consider, BUT, I find that personal sales to friends, club members, networking, and yes, displaying at certain Flea Markets such as Petit Jean, Pate, Moultrie, and Hershey are far preferable since I've had excellent results, as well as listing cars on this FORUM.
Time is money - more important to some than others.
Friendship and personal reputation is more important, at least to me at this point in my life.
At some time, my current nine cars will pass to others - some to family, some to friends, some to other hobbyists, hopefully to be driven and cherished.
Wishing all, health and contentment for the new year,
and if you have the ability and desire,
please consider tax-deductible donations to organizations such as
- AACA
- St Jude Children's Research Hospital
- other Cancer Research,
as best fits your wishes.