1935Packard

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  1. "We aren't stopping a virus..." Yes, actually, we are. The steps being taken to stop it have been shown to work in other countries. "the same or less violent than the normal flu...." I have a friend who is in his 40s, no preexisting conditions, in the hospital right now with coronavirus. He needs oxygen to keep him alive and he can't walk more than a few steps even with oxygen without becoming winded. It's been like this for 10 days. It is not like the normal flu. Our ancestors would be mighty disappointed.... In the 1790s, when Philadelphia was the 2nd largest city in the new United States, 20% of the city's population died in a yellow fever epidemic. 2/3 of the city population fled the city entirely, leaving it mostly empty. I think our ancestors would understand.
  2. The scientists don't think it's likely that the virus spread will vary much depending on the weather. https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/science-and-technology/when-will-coronavirus-end-peak-be-over-uk-summer-trump
  3. My guess is that the economy is going to get its butt kicked, in an unprecedented way, because all except for the essentials and the online will be shut down for a few months globally. I live in the Bay Area of northern California, and as of midnight basically everything requiring you to leave your home is being shut down except for the essentials. We're seeing this in many countries and we're going to see it in more places in the U.S, too. With everyone at home -- forced to be at home -- for many weeks, if not months, it seems pretty likely that significant sectors of the economy are going to basically dry up. God willing, eventually we'll be able to loosen that and get more back to semi-normal, but I think it will happen gradually. We have not experienced anything like that before, and I don't think it has been fully appreciated how much that will hurt businesses around the world. In terms of the classic car market, we're talking about a time, for a few months at least, in which there are no car shows, repair shops are closed, and older drivers are required to stay home and not go out in a car. If a car is for sale, people can't or won't come by to see it or fly out to see it. And God forbid if the virus spreads widely and has the same mortality rate it has had elsewhere, what happens to the people in the hobby. If this is accompanied by the hit to the economy generally that I am suspecting would happen (see above), I wouldn't be surprised if it is super rough on the classic car market.
  4. One more on that car for those interested: And this one is pretty interesting, too.
  5. I didn't know there were a lot of them out there. Although googling for pictures of them does show a bunch of different ones. Good to know. BTW, googling reminds me of this neat video Mark Clayton has of one of the cars. Perhaps others will find it interesting.
  6. I agree the upright windshield is awkward. And I suspect it looks even more awkward with the top down, if anyone with those cars ever puts the top down. Still, a crazy amount of car, open and V16, for so much less than the same car in some other open body styles.
  7. While I'm at it, I loved this 1949 Delahaye 135M Cabriolet bodied by Chapron for $240K. I think of open Delahayes like that as going for a lot more: Were there authenticity issues that the auction description downplayed? https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/am20/amelia-island/lots/r0006-1949-delahaye-135m-cabriolet-by-chapron/828171
  8. Nice, although I'm not sure I favor V16 hoarding. . Seriously, though, that looks like an incredible car that was a great deal for what it is. Maybe that's just where the market is for cars that aren't fresh restorations or more sporting body styles, but still, wow.
  9. This 1930 Cadillac V16 convertible sedan going for only $200K grabbed my attention. Anyone familiar with the car, or have thoughts on why it landed where it did? https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/am20/amelia-island/lots/r0102-1930-cadillac-v-16-all-weather-phaeton-by-fleetwood/851041
  10. Our is an exceedingly silly hobby, if you think about it. We spend lots of money and lots of time to do dangerously and unreliably what we would otherwise do safely and reliably, needing a huge space to store it and good weather and open roads to enjoy it. It doesn't make a lot of sense. But I guess there's no cure for crazy, which we all are.
  11. "I know the market in these cars is expected to go down over the next few years, and it would cost way more than it's worth today to get it restored, but I'm looking for a project right now and I happen to have the cash. Just let me know if you want to sell."
  12. The new owner showed up the ACD forum on FB recently, understandably excited about his purchase. Interestingly, he said he knows very little about the car and was looking for as much help as he could get. https://www.facebook.com/groups/ACDClubGroup/ (1/19 post)
  13. I just want to flag for the cognoscenti that Matt seems to be saying that Packard convertible sedans are enjoying "booming popularity" and are particularly sought after right now. I think the world may have finally realized that Packard convertible sedans offer a remarkable package. "Handsome top up or down," as Matt says; "a top that disappears so completely" with the top down; good protection against the elements with the top up; and seating for the whole family. It's a hot ticket right now! P.S. Whether I have recently acquired such a car is left as an exercise for the reader.
  14. I can only speak for my own preferences, which are probably quirky, but which I would rather have depends on whether I would want to show or drive it. To show, I'll take the Brunn. Custom, etc. To drive, I'd take the convertible sedan. Driving with the top down is a good part of the fun. No idea if others share that view, though, or how many actually drive these cars often enough to make that distinction. Top down, sunny day . . .
  15. I like the Brunn bodied cars, too. This is totally outside my knowledge, but I've assumed the Brunn cars' relatively low market values reflect what I take to be their strange status as sort of closed, sort of open cars, given that they're not full convertibles. In contrast, I think most years of Packard convertible sedans have tops that go down relatively flush to the body and don't look awkward with the top down. I don't know if that explains it.
  16. I think the market in the 35-37 V12 convertible sedans has been a bit stronger than that. Looking at some auction results: $275K for a '37 at a 2016 RM auction. $220K for a '37 at a 2013 auction. $214.5K for a '35 at a 2010 RM auction that looks quite nice. Not an auction price, but here's a '36 for sale asking $269K at a dealer, looks like a 90s resto. $160K for a driver '35 with a 60s era resto but a later repaint last year. Granted, who knows what the values are likely to be in the new softer market. No idea how they got to $450K. I vaguely recall that one was 2nd in class at Pebble maybe 4-5 years ago and was being offered for sale since then, not sure if it was that one. UPDATE: No, different car, although also shown at Pebble. Maybe the Bette Davis connection made a difference?
  17. Interesting -- thanks for the context, guys. I have never driven an Auburn, much less of that vintage, but it looks like an incredibly cool car for that kind of money. I love the style, and I really like the colors, too. And I imagine that if you showed up at a local CCCA event with a really rare car like that, and an open car no less, you would draw attention that most people aren't getting for 3X that kind of money. I hope the longtime owner didn't need the money.
  18. Agreed. Been there, on a similar car, although only once -- enough to persuade me not to do it again. That was what led me to post the original comment on the thread: I couldn't figure out why that car had such a big estimate at the 2016 auction -- $225K-$275K-- when it needed everything. I bought my repro cormorant from Fred Mauck 7 or 8 years ago, I think for $600 or $700. I know Fred died in 2015; I wonder who if anyone is still making them. Looks like some great deals on some CCCA cars at that auction. Unless I'm missing something, whoever bought that 1929 Auburn Eight Cabriolet for $51.5K got a great car for super cheap.
  19. Curious if anyone knows what happened with this car. RM's website always takes a few days to post results. AJ, do you know?