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  1. Ive always had good luck with using Meguiars #39 heavy duty vinyl cleaner for my vinyl products such as my seats and vinyl top and then for rubber and vinyl conditioning, I use Meguiars #40 Vinyl / Rubber cleaner and conditioner. With having a pearl white vinyl top and a white interior, I can attest as to how much of a pain it is to keep these items clean, especially with driving the car on highways getting diesel soot all over my car. So far, with light scrubbing and this product, it comes right out. As for the tires, it leaves a nice semi gloss shine. Not too dull and certainly not that shiny. It also prevents the rubber from turning brown with aging too!
  2. Again, here lies the question of how it left the factory vs how it left the dealership. I cite the dual quad Ford cars as an example that were delivered from the factory with a single 4 bbl carb and intake on the motor and the "correct" dual quad carbs and intake supplied in the trunk and where the factory deemed it was cheaper to reimburse the dealership to install the dual quad carbs and intake and fine tune them at the dealership. Now using the above example, are owners with these high performance cars supposed to reinstall the single carb and single 4 bbl intake back on the cars and carry around the factory supplied but not installed carbs and intake in the trunk? Same can be applied to hub caps, majority of the cars were shipped with the hub caps in the trunk to prevent them from getting stolen off the cars in transport. Once at the dealership, the hub caps were installed. I know it is a catch 22 but what would be correct then?
  3. Perfect example of this would be our 70 el camino SS 396 that has dealer order invoice (old carbon copy type paper) that has hand written in on the invoice tonneau cover. Now, I can only speculate that the Chevy dealership ordered it and installed it as I can not find anywhere in the original sales line magazine about a tonneau cover but I do know that there were optional equipment that were not in the magazine as well in another magazine that Chevy put out. Items such as tissue boxes with the manufacturers logo, under dash 8 track player, dealer add on a/c, stuff like that. Now I know at every AACA show that we bring the elky too, we point out the paper work. We have yet to get our Junior Grand national first place but I have to suspect it might be something to do with this tonneau cover. We have original paperwork showing such but with a lack of a part number on the tonneau cover, the dealer invoice is the only piece of paperwork we have proving it left the dealership that way. Some judges at other shows refused to accept it because the cover itself does not have a part number on it. Well, the original cover that was on the elky when we got it did not have a part number stamped, sewn, or molded into the cover anywhere either. In order to preserve the original feature of the car, we had to have a new tonneau cover made up. Exact same in appearance as original, only maybe a little thinner material compared to the original. Now, using my example, how would this be viewed? Or would it all come down to the opinion of the judges?
  4. True but if one wants that desired look, the person doing the job be able to meet the customers needs. I guess this is why I do the majority of my own resto. (sheet metal work excluded)
  5. One thing that I have always never understood is that the AACA accepts over restored cars. If a particular car is over restored, it is not deducted points for such yet we are supposed to be judging cars as how they could have come from the factory. Perfect example is suspension components being painted gloss black when they were originally a semi gloss or satin black. To me, if it is not the correct sheen, it is wrong. However, I do agree that if a component was plated, such as zinc or phosphate coated, and you paint it a correct color of that without replating it, it should be acceptable since plating only lasts so long before it starts to oxidize.
  6. Susan, My family and I make it a point to stop out at Hershey every year we make our annual trip out to the outlet stores in Lancaster for my wife to shop. Its kinda my shopping, if you will, at the museum and library and research center. Unless they have gotten some new stuff in recently than the last time I was out there, I either have all of the same stuff or it does not pertain to my vehicle. I will, however, contact Chris and see what a new pair of eyes might discover. Thanks for the suggestion.
  7. *Mods, please feel free to move this to the right section if this is not the appropriate one. This will be my first year as the Trophy and Awards Committee Chairperson for our region and trying to continue our clubs success, I ventured out to get trophy sponsors and related door prize / goody bag type items. Since I am only 34 yrs old, I figured I would try different vendors that I do or have done business with currently and in the past that my predecessors might not have used. While trying to get sponsors and car show material for our upcoming NJ Region AACA Spring Meet, I contacted Summit Racing Equipment for some goody bag stuff or other door prize items. In the "car show kit" they sent me was a banner, stickers, bags, and vehicle registration cards. What they also included blew my mind. It was Kids Choice ballots as well as stickers for kids that said "Special Judge - Kids Choice Award". Knowing that we did not have a special award for this category (or even a category for it ever before) I took it upon myself after contacting the Spring Meet chairperson and made up a special hand made award that would be given out to the recipient with the most "Kids Choice" votes. Basically, with a little wood, paint, and the purchase of some Hot Wheels, I made up a simple design building that was similar to a small mechanics shop with one bay garage. Simple, effective, kids themed (with the toys), and will hopefully generate some interest in the younger generation to help get them involved in cars. Just figured I would put this out there for anyone else who organizes a local show / meet as I thought this was a great way to get more families involved. I guess we shall see after our meet on May 1st.
  8. Like others have mentioned, there were some models that were available with dual quad carbs on the cars yet the factory decided it was cheaper/easier to just include the dual quad intake and carbs and have the mechanic at the dealership install and tune vs. having an assembly line worker take the time to tune the dual quads. Now is the owner of the car supposed to buy a single quad carb intake and carry around the carbs and dual quad intake in the truck to shows like the factory delivered it to the dealerships? If so, that would take half the fun out of the hobby. Also, pertaining to factory documentation.... I have a 69 Charger and while trying to find factory documentation, I was advised by the Chrysler Historical center that a lot of records were lost from 1968-mid 1970s due to a fire at a warehouse. So, trying to prove something with little to no factory documentation is difficult for me. As it is, the 1969 Charger brochure is full of inacuracies such as showing 1968 parts when stuff was changed over to new / different parts for the 1969 model year. Example would be the fuel filler cap. In 1968 it was a brushed center vs. 1969 having a black background with a raised "FUEL" word where the brushed center used to be.
  9. Big question is if this car were to go to an AACA show, say Hershey, would this car even be allowed to get judged since it is technically not a production car?
  10. We will be there with our chally vert. Still not happy that the car show is on grass and the vendors seem to get a preferential treament and be on the pavement when they had been on the grass. Isnt the whole reason for the meet to bring and show off our cars? Why can't the vendors get the mud hole and prevent cars from sinking into the ground and getting our multi-thousand dollar cars possibly destroyed when someone has to come and yank us out of the mud.
  11. We quit doing the dinners a couple years ago. We found that if we went to a place like Outback steakhouse or some other place, we could get food that we wanted to eat for generally a lot cheaper. Plus we wouldn't be eating so late at night and waking up with our stomachs feeling all bloated.
  12. You are correct except for the fact Chrysler Historical lost a lot of files and info when they supposedly had a fire in their storage facility. The years lost were from 1968-mid 1971 from what I was told. I tried going that route to get info for my 69 Charger. Shame too since thats when a lot of the muscle cars were made.
  13. Susan, The only thing I can add since you brought up "Documentation is the burden of the owner on questioned items." is that I have an issue with that. 2 of our 3 antique cars have a difficult time with factory documentation. Chrysler had a fire at its warehouse where they stored all old material and documentation and lost all information from 1968 up to the mid 1970's. Granted, I have been purchasing anything and everything that I can documentation wise for our 69 charger and 70 challenger but I am certain there was a lot of information that was lost and will never be seen again. Now what happens in that case? Say a judge has a question pertaining to something on my car that I do not have factory documentation for which no longer exists? I am supposed to have points deducted for something that I copied off of an unrestored car vs. having actual non existant paperwork to back me on that is no longer around? Granted, this is a pretty rare instance and I always try to make the team captain of this fact well before they start judging the car. Our 70 el camino SS396 has a black bucket seat interior in it. We were lucky enough to find NOS seat backs for it. Now they came in orginal GM boxes. We opened up the box and it had a long scratch down the outside part of the seat back. Now this was inside a cardboard box and was brand new. My point is I am pretty sure at the AGNM that was in Dover, this issue had us get a point or some kind of deduction. To me, this would be a vaild argueable point as to the condition it would have been delivered in. If this part came packaged with a large scratch, reasonably speaking, couldn't the factory have installed a part like this? Not trying to reinvent the wheel but just trying to open peoples minds and think outside the box. I am not agreeing that every car that shows up on the field get an automatic first place for bringing the car out but if your car reaches a certain set score, you should receive that award. Yes, the cars are competing against themselves vs. factory standards but at the same time, you have to get within a certain score of other cars in your class. How is one supposed to compete with say a Chevelle that has almost every part reproduced now to say our 70 challenger that harldy has any parts reproduced? One person has a clear advantage over the other with repro'd parts and availability while the other has to "settle" for a better part than what they had in the car before. Most importantly, these cars back in the day were assembled by people like you and I. Errors occurred. Assembly was sloppy at best. Things were forgotten (like the wire harness holding tabs on my firewall that were never tack welded in on my charger). Heck, my driver side frame rail on the charger had the holes punched in the metal for the screws to hold the starter motor splash shield. I noticed that I was missing my splash shield so I purchased one and installed it only to find that the holes never had any threads cut into them. So now my car has a splash shield in the factory correct spot that was never (but supposed to be) installed at the factory. I am a judge at my local region shows and also judge at GM and Mopar events. When judging a car, the main thing I keep in my mind is reasonable doubt. If I see something that raises a question in my mind, the first thing I think is "Could this have been installed in this fasion? With human involvement, could something have happend while it was made? Yes, it is hard to imagine what could have been but just think of the projects that you have had to do, be it your own car or projects around the house. Were any or ALL of them built or done perfectly without any flaws? Do you cut corners at your own job to get home early or come back to work late from a lunch one day? Well, the assembly line workers were just like you and me. It was just a job to them, they were not concerned about building a factory SHOW car umteen years ago, let alone today. Heck, I've seen cars today that are assembled by robots come through with shoddy work. PS- sorry for the long rant and length of my reply.
  14. <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jay Wolf</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well put Susan. The point is AACA says you are not in competition with any other vehicle when with the 10 point rule you are. I too was the recipient of a gift first place with and Amphicar in 1990 at Hershey, it was pouring rain so hard, most cars did not come on the field and it was rain too hard to judge the one that did. The car should be judged on its own merits not against another car, As some cars are catalog cars and some cars no parts are available for. If you a 57 Chevy capable of getting 365 points, you know it will never win a first as every show there will be a 400 or close 57 Chevy in your class. I am in favor of putting the first at say 375 (for argument sake) and everybody over 375 wins a first. With the current 10 point rule you can have a car that earns 365 points and not even get a 3rd it you have a 400, a 389 and a 378 point cars in your class. Say what you will but it takes $$$ to make a 400 point car. A hobbyist or home restoration can do a 375 point car on a budget. What part of the Hobby is AACA after people who love cars or people with deep pockets? </div></div> Probably the same people that said lets take the car show at hershey off the pavement and put it on mud while the vendors get the high and dry paved areas. Makes perfect sense to me have thousands of dollars cars sink into mud, then possibly get damaged towing them out while the vendors who dont even spend the whole weekend anymore get prime location and dont have to worry about getting irreplaceable cars repaired. Being sarcastic, but I hope I get my point across. Although we have not been effected by the 10 point rule, the 5 point rule did come up and bite us in the behind as we were informed by someone that there were a couple 400 point cars at the grand national show we were at and that we were just below where we needed to be. Again, this is word of mouth but I take it from a very credible source. So, yes, we were above the minimum amount of points to get our First Junior GN award but because of the 5 point rule and a perfect scoring car, we ended up getting a second. Now when we got a copy of the judging sheet, the areas that were highlighted we went over and yes, even though there were some "issues" with the car, some of them could have been done like that at the factory. Lets face it, there are people who restore their cars to factory specs meaning orange peel, paint runs, etc. Cars back then were not perfect as they were popping them out at an average of 1 car per minute from the facts I have based on my 69 charger. Were panels misaligned at the factory, possibly. Were incorrect items installed, possibly. Ive found it all depends on the judges and the outcome of what they "perceive" to be correct. There was a perfect article a couple years ago when there was a judging seminar that involved a brand new either Saturn or Pontiac car and the judges went over the car judging it. Mind you this was a brand new car that had only a couple miles on it. 99% of the judges deducted points even though it was a brand new, delivered car that had not been really driven other than on and off trailers. If I remember correctly, it was only one judge who spoke up and said that he/she would give the car a perfect score. Why a pefect score?!?!?! The car had weld splatter and such on the engine and other blems throughout the car! The judges reasoning was because it was that way as delivered and manufactured therefore, no points should have been deducted.
  15. <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LINC400</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I can believe dealers not discounting the Challenger. Selling them for $5000 over sticker in CA is a little harder to believe. My mom wanted to buy a Camaro in 2006 when she bought her Monte Carlo SS. I have no idea why it took so long to get both the Challenger and the Camaro to market. Especially the Challenger. Chrysler seemed to get from concept to showroom a lot faster with other cars that shared less with current platforms. As I said, both of those would have sold a lot better a 2-3 years ago. Now she has been laid off and won't be buying either. She isn't the only one not buying a car in this economy. It would be nice to see convertible versions of both in a year or two. So far, I haven't even seen a concept or sketch on that. </div></div> Chrysler has scrapped the idea of a convertible challenger. From what I heard, it was cause of the economy. This is also the same company who a couple years ago said there was no market for a 2 door sports type car, yet the Mustangs were selling like hot cakes. Also, I have compared a side by side of the new and old challenger and they are quite different in length. The new one is a lot longer heavier compared to the original. Another disappointing thing is the lack of a spare tire in the new challenger. The new challenger is equipped with run flat tires meaning when you get a hole in one, you keep driving on that tire and basically have to replace the entire tire instead of repairing it.