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9 hours ago, Tinindian said:
Here is a picture of the car. It would have been nice if the OP had posted it instead or as well as the video.
I posted the entire video because the car is shown multiple times. Always the same view, but maybe one of the other times might provide a clue to help identify it
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If I could see more of this car, I am sure I could identify it. I am thinking 1958, but can't come up with anything that matches the hood ornament
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Unlike Cadillac and Packard, Lincoln did not offer a commercial chassis for coachbuilders. After Cadillac discontinued its commercial chassis in 1984, regular sedans had to be purchased and converted. So there was no longer any advantage to using a Cadillac, and Lincolns began being used more regularly.
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I think he means using the trunk lid from a 1980-83 Mark VI 4 door. It is basically the same body, but the trunk lid from the Mark VI goes all the way down to the bumper while the Town Car trunk lid stops above the large reflector that runs the width of the rear. So major modifications would probably be needed to remove metal behind the reflector panel to install the Mark VI trunk lid. The Mark VI trunk lid probably has more of an angle to it also.
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15 hours ago, Bob Hill said:
Don't charge spectators after charging participants. I refuse to participate in a show where they charge me to enter my car and then charge folks to come and look at my car
Bob
I am just the opposite. Why would I want to pay to show my car after I have to drive it there and detail it, if I can just walk in for free to look at the other cars as a spectator?
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16 hours ago, 8E45E said:
Perfect examples of 1980's GM malaise cars that totally fit the bill of this thread
Yes, I totally agree with the 1980's cars being called Malaise Era, it is the 1970's with their wide array of body styles, sizes, colors, interiors, etc. that will never be seen again that I object to being called Malaise Era
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10 minutes ago, Bloo said:
If the CO is too high, something is mis-adjusted or broken. The idea that a stock engine has to be way to rich to run correctly is just plain wrong. The idea that you can lean something out until it runs bad and pass is also wrong.
I spent over $1000 taking a car in to try to get it to pass. Each time it was closer, but ran worse. Leaning it out until it passed, and then changing it back cost zero and got it passed.
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A mechanic at a gas station I worked at would lean out the fuel mixture so much in his Charger that the car would barely run. It would pass emissions, and then he would immediately change it back. He often did that right in front of the inspector. That part might not be advisable, but I did the same thing a few times with cars of my own. Just because it passes doesn't mean it is going to run better.
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1 hour ago, 8E45E said:
Really? I think a 1968 Chevrolet Impala Custom 2 door hardtop is one of the nicest, most well-integrated designs because of that well fitted bumper with the body-color valence below it. Admittedly that '72 LTD in the photo was 'busy' ungainly for the time, and still is. The 1971 rear is far cleaner in appearance.
First, in the 1960's, WE had the ridiculous mindset that anything 'Made in Japan' as all "junk", but it was also radios, TV's, children's toys, etc. It was a hard-earned reputation they won after proving their products were dependable and reliable, and of course they capitalized on it. They HAD to with the voluntary import restrictions on cars which naturally put a cap on how much they could earn. So they got inventive and developed a more refined and expensive product, first with the Cressida and the Maxima, which ended up being successful, and continued onward and upmarket with their standalone brands in the 1990's. You are one hundred percent correct in your statement, "Plus the American carmakers refused to update the larger luxury cars with features that could be found in midsize foreign sedans." They thought they were invincible, and that is what contributed to their downfall and loss of market share.
Craig
Nope, I think the 1967 Impala rear end is way better than the 1968-70 with the taillights in the bumper and valance thing below.
The Japanese stuff was pretty bad in the 1950's and 1960's. It wasn't until they came over here and toured American factories and tried to make their cars more American-like that they caught on. While instead the domestics made some halfway attempts to make their products seem more foreign inspired which did not work. (Eurosport editions come to mind)
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What surprised me when I looked at what was available in some areas is the number of 2015-2017 cars, Mustangs, Mercedes, etc. for $300 - $500 a day. If you want something like that, I would think it would be cheaper to just rent a new one from a regular car rental agency.
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I might be tempted to rent something if the price is not ridiculous. But I certainly would not be renting out my car. I don't need to get it back trashed.
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On 6/6/2018 at 7:17 AM, 8E45E said:
You can keep those ugly 5-mph bumpers and all the ill-fitting flexible painted urethane filler pieces between the bumper and the body that never fit right in the first place. One advantage you have, is prices for malaise era Cadillacs are in the toilet, and will probably remain so for some time. Here's one for well under $10K. https://classiccars.com/listings/view/1087898/1976-cadillac-fleetwood-for-sale-in-alsip-illinois-60803
Mercedes Benz has always made money, and they've kept their prestige up with the S-class cars and the even more exclusive Maybach. Honda, Toyota, and Nissan must have thought there was money to be made in higher quality, higher priced cars with lower volume or they wouldn't have entered the market with the Acura, Lexus, and Infiniti. Cadillac and Lincoln were both caught off-guard with that assault on their home turf market and are still paying for it. And now Hyundai has made Genesis a marque in its own right, also hoping to capitalize on the fat profit margins the cars in this market have.
As I said, the 5ph bumpers are a personal preference. I always thought the late '60's - early '70's cars with a body color painted metal panel below the bumper looked ridiculous. Why should the body of the car extend below the bumper and rocker panels? It was even better after a few years when those panels were loose and precariously hanging or swinging.
Japanese manufacturers capitalized on the ridiculous mindset of the general public that all American cars are no good, and all foreign cars are wonderful. Plus the American carmakers refused to update the larger luxury cars with features that could be found in midsize foreign sedans. However, they really don't offer anything more exclusive than the domestics. Even the Maybach looks like a 2 tone S Class at first glance despite costing 2-3 times as much. And I don't think they are doing too well.
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19 hours ago, 8E45E said:
And Oldsmobile engines in Cadillacs.
That '70's Talisman interior sums up just how miserable the decade was, where it was all smoke and mirrors, compromising the real product with imitation wood, and vinyl to look like the real deal. Of course, Lincoln and Imperial were also at fault in downgrading materials as well.
In GM's corporate portfolio, the other four divisions are supposed to be the volume leaders, and Cadillac the division which maintains exclusivity.
Craig
While Oldsmobile engines were used in Cadillacs, I can find no reference for lawsuits on that. The lawsuits were for Chevrolet engines in Oldsmobiles.
Your preference for a 1966 Fleetwood is a personal opinion. I have never heard anyone else refer to it as the best Cadillac interior.
5 mph bumpers are also a personal opinion. 1976 Cadillacs are the most popular collectible Cadillacs of the 1970's, and they all have them.
Car companies are in business to make money. Most companies that chose exclusivity over volume are out of business. Even Mercedes sells taxis and police cars in Europe. Rolls Royce has had to be bailed out multiple times.
I am not surprised the owner of a Mustang II Cobra felt the need to "retaliate". Sounds like he was very proud of his car, and was not thrilled with being told how Australian Cobras are better than his Pinto based Mustang
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12 hours ago, 8E45E said:
The malaise era did perpetuate with GM beyond 1982, as their engineering and build quality was hopelessly mired in the 1970's. The start of GM's downfall were the 1977 & later 'full'-size line which had even less to differentiate them between the five brands than previous, coupled with engine-swapping from lesser brands. (The famous lawsuit of an Olds engine in a Cadillac comes to mind.) Roger Smith brought even MORE malaise upon the Corporation as the 80's dragged on for GM.
Cadillac's downfall started even earlier as no Cadillac built later than 1966 has ever come close to matching a 1966 Fleetwood for interior opulence, and (for the time), build quality
Had Cadillac kept up with its build quality as Rolls Royce, Bentley, and the three German marques did, and even Volkswagen with its Phaeton model, Cadillac could still have been a serious competitor to this day in the 'ultra-luxury' market as they were in the 1930's.
Craig
It was Chevrolet engines in Oldsmobiles.
The 1966 Fleetwood interior is just a personal preference. To be honest, I was expecting to see something more impressive for the 1966 Fleetwood interior. Lincolns and Imperials had much the same wood and leather in the 1960's and changed to plastic in the 1970's and 1980's. A 1976 Cadillac Fleetwood Talisman has a far more visually impressive interior even if the wood is plastic. And since the Fleetwood made up less than 7% of Cadillac's sales even in 1966, apparently not many Cadillac buyers were impressed enough to pay extra for it.
Cadillac's downfall was not the loss of the 1966 Fleetwood interior, but the grandpa image it obtained in the 1980's and '90's. Cadillac engines used to be used in hot rods and performance cars in the '50's and '60's. But the dinky '80's and '90's FWD offerings eventually failed to even impress grandpas.
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On 6/1/2018 at 7:32 AM, 8E45E said:
To me, malaise era cars are from 1973 through 1981. I felt the malaise era was finally ending when the Mustang finally broke out of the 'malaise mold' in 1982 with the mid-year GT, Chrysler with their LeBaron and Dodge 400 convertibles, and GM introducing a convertible Riviera that year as well. 1995 is far too late, and1972 still had some good looking cars without those ghastly 5-mph bumpers.
Craig
I have always objected to the term "Malaise era" for 1970's cars. You still get actual size differences, style, tons of colors, different body styles, and most cars wore the 5 mph bumpers well enough unless it was something like a Maverick. I know I personally prefer the 5 mph bumpers on my '76 Mark IV. The skinny ones on the '72 just look too small and inadequate to me. The only negatives were emissions killing the horsepower, and the ridiculously boxy downsizing of the '77-'79 full size and '78-79 mid size GM's.
The real Malaise era is 1985 to 2000 when GM really killed its full size models in terms of size and style, 2 doors and station wagons started going away to be replaced by SUV's, "full size" Cadillac DeVilles were the same size as a 1970's compact and were not much different looks and size wise from a Chevy Celebrity, and your color choices were reduced to shades of gray. I remember this commercial, and my friends and I all thought it was awesome.
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46 minutes ago, John_S_in_Penna said:
What I dislike is the number of non-car organizations
that have found that they can CHARGE THE CAR OWNERS for
providing their entertainment, and therefore make money from
the car owners. Do those same organizers charge the band for playing?
I 100% agree
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7 hours ago, playswithbrass said:
Good day all I'm up here in Canada reading the car show listings in a popular old car newspaper. Now I am not a show car guy(lawn chairs behind the car watching people look at my car) sometimes it is nice to have a destination when out for a drive i.e.local car show in a 30 mile area. However it really winds me up when I have to pay to display my car at a car show and the spectator gets in for free.We are talking low key shows no prize money or trophys ,just a get together.Am I just getting old and cranky?
I am exactly the same. I am not a big fan of sitting in a lawn chair behind my car. When I go to a show, I go to look at the other cars. Without cars, you have no show. So why should I have to pay to show my car when I can leave my car in the parking lot and get in for free to look at the other cars? No, $20 will not bankrupt me, but there are plenty of cruise nites and shows I can go to for free. It is a little more understandable if they are providing trophies or lunch. And I have heard how many times, well if it is for a charity or a good cause, you should stop whining and just pay it. Well why don't the spectators need to donate to the charity? And if I am going to donate to a charity, I would prefer it be one of my choice, not the show's. So I will only pay if spectators have to pay, or I get some sort of benefit from it. Otherwise, I can just find another show that won't charge. Plus, it seems the more they charge, what is in the show is not of interest to me, i.e. rods, customs, rat rods, etc.
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Wow, a Pontiac GTO Chevelle. Is that one of those rare Canadian models? I wonder what you get when you order parts for it from this place?
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On 5/2/2018 at 10:04 PM, nick8086 said:
The Young do not understand the bigger picture. The cost of ownership..
1.insurance
2. Cost of parts..
3. Cost of storage.
4. Cost of repairs. If you hire it done..
5. Car Trailer
6. and yes a Truck to pull that car trailer.. Without a toy are us Bear..
7. paint and rust repairs
8. A happy Wife..
9. Every year you have to fix something..
10. You have to drive across town to buy gas with out the ethanol in it.
11. I get this from every one - Why do you need all that stuff!! Just sell it and take the money.. If I did that I would just spend it and Not be-able to enjoy that old car smell..
1. Way less than what I pay for my daily driver.
2. Depends on what it needs
3. Zero $, parked next to the daily driver in the garage
4. Depends on what it needs
5. Zero $, no trailer queens here
6. Again, Zero $, no trailer queens here
7. Zero $, all original HPOF awarded
8. Forget that. Happy wife happy life, no wife, much happier life since you don't have to waste your time making her happy.
9. True
10. Not possible. It would require a tank of gas just to get to a place that sells it.
11. Because a checkbook or cell phone isn't as exciting on a summer drive.
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Yes, I remember them. There was a little 1930 Packard with garage, and little 1970 Lincoln Mark III with garage that I always wanted, but my parents wouldn't get them for me.
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On 4/12/2018 at 1:30 PM, Matt Harwood said:
This is too many words. I'm sorry. I'm having a crummy day sitting in a hotel room because I can't afford to go to the events my car club has booked for the day.
Sorry you are having a bad time, but, didn't you check that before you went on this trip? One of the local AACA chapters announces trips with no details, and if they still can't provide them by the time the trip is going to happen, I don't go. I am not going to take vacation days and spend money on a hotel if they can't even tell you what you will be doing ahead of time. I have also cancelled trips if when they announced what the details were they were too boring or too expensive. I might have missed a couple interesting trips, but I also avoided a lot of bad ones. I also check out what else is in the area in case one of the days activities are not of interest to me, or maybe I want to add a day or 2 to see something on my own.
Also, if these car clubs are trying to attract younger members, younger members want to see everything online. And every year the car clubs are getting worse and worse with providing event info online. I actively seek out events, and can't get info. The events calendar is still showing last year's events for many clubs, and some haven't been updated for 2-4 years. The local Packard club doesn't even have a website anymore. How do they think they are going to get millennials to attend events if they can't even be bothered to announce them? The local Cadillac club used to have a luxury car show, which I thought was a neat idea. But they complained that only Cadillacs showed up, hardly any Lincolns, Imperials, Packards, etc. We asked them, did you notify those clubs about this show or promote it outside of the Cadillac club? No, they never did. So what, everyone with an other than Cadillac luxury car was supposed to just psychicly know that this show was happening?
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I am Gen X and can both agree and disagree with some of this.
As far as antique cars being too expensive, not true. There are plenty of cars under $10,000, even under $5,000, that are in nice condition that need very little. Not Duesenbergs, '57 Chevy convertibles or Hemi 'Cudas. But plenty of 1940's to 1980's 4 door sedans. Even some coupes. It might not be your dream car, but it will be a nice car to enjoy and get you in the hobby. And you need to do some research and spend some time looking for it. I spent 1 1/2 years looking for the Lincoln I have now, and it is not my dream car, but I like it and have no interest in selling it. Also, a lot of people end up loosing interest in the hobby because they buy a basket case they think it will be fun to restore, and end up way over their heads financially and skill wise. They then get disgusted because years later this car has done nothing but be a money pit that they never get to drive and enjoy when they could have spent a little more to get something they could have been driving and enjoying all that time.
The Millennials I work with make decent money, they just don't know how to spend it wisely. They buy $7 lattes every day, have $10 - $15 sandwiches delivered and then pay for delivery and tip, take a few bites, and then throw it out . Go to overpriced trendy restaurants, buy ridiculously expensive designer everything, and then have no money for more important or worthwhile things. They can't have anything used or eat leftovers, and can't buy anything without asking all their peers if it is the "in" thing and cool or not. I scrimp and save here and there so that I can splurge once in a while. They do not know how to do that. Maybe because they never had parents or grandparents that lived through the Great Depression or WWII rationing to teach them to spend wisely and not waste things.
Car culture is different now than it used to be too. They were not only transportation, but important status and social symbols as well. You went to drive-in movies, drive-in diners, cruised Main street looking for a race or to impress girls, and went on family road trips on Route 66. I grew up after most of that, but some of the culture was still there. When I was in high school, you walked or rode the bus until you earned enough at a part time job to buy your first beater. And it was awesome because even though it might have been a piece of junk, it was fun, independence, and freedom. Now Millennials just have their parents drive them everywhere or take Uber. That is great when Millennials express an interest in cars, but most simply will not have the connections with them that previous generations did. For them, a cell phone is way more important and cooler than cars.
As far as the grumpy old men in car in car clubs, they have always been there. Some might eventually warm up, but some are just jerks. I might be a grumpy old man already because I am not interested in most 1980's -1990's cars. I liked my 1978 Lincoln when I bought it in 1991 when everyone was telling me it was a dinosaur and get rid of that gas guzzling pig. I thought it was way cooler and more stylish than the new Hondas and Toyotas they were driving. So those same Hondas and Toyotas are not going to impress me now that they are 25 year old antiques. I still think my current 1976 Lincoln is way cooler and more stylish than them. However, I also think my 2012 Camaro convertible is way cooler and more stylish than them also. For me it is not the age of the car, it is what the car is that is important.
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On 10/13/2017 at 2:01 PM, Frantz said:
I was excited to see this since my car has been having fuel related problems. However, from the Chicago suburbs, by the time I drive out to one of these places with my Lincoln and drive home, I would need gas again.
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Well it might be useful if people stopped posting parts ads under "cars for sale". But it appears no one is paying attention to it.
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Car ID - Gwen Stefani video
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Posted · Edited by LINC400 (see edit history)
I thought it sort of looked GM-ish too, and also thought 1958 Mercury could be a possibility, but the hood ornament does not match and it does not have the recession and chrome strips by the cowl. Over 150 people looked at this and it hasn't been identified yet, so now I don't feel so bad. I guess we are assuming it is a correct factory restoration when the mirrors and hood ornament could be aftermarket or just incorrect too