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I wouldn't use this car as an example of a correct restoration. It is an assembly of parts, not an appropriate go-by. There are apparently no correctly restored Overlands in the southern hemisphere. Bill

Bob- 1914 Hudsons have no cowl lamps, thus the electrically dimmed (via resistor) headlights. 1913 Hudsons have cowl lamps and no dimmer. Bill

Hi Russell- I can definitely identify your unidentified DELCO starter/generator H12430 as model MG-2 as used on 1913 Hudson, 1913 Cole, etc. It is a mirror-image of the 1912 Cadillac unit (MG-1). These units use the 6-and-24 volt electrical system. I know a restorer in Australia, Graeme Edwards, that probably needs this for his 1913 Hudson Model 54. If he doesn't, I do. Bill

The first DELCO Starter/Generator units (MG-1) as used on the 1912 Cadillac and (MG-2) as used on 1913 Hudson, 1913 Cole & 1913 Oldsmobile have four terminals on top as shown in your photo. The rear end bell, gear and clutch appear to be missing. Bill

The 1913 Hudsons used C.M.Hall electric lamps. The lighting switch is a three-gang by Cutler-Hammer. An exact repalcement (less faceplate engraving) is available from Vintage Auto Parts vapinc.com Bill

Re: Al Brass The first DELCO Starter/Generator as used on the 1912 Cadillac (and similar units used on the 1913 Hudson, 1913 Oakland, and 1913 Oldsmobile) actually used four (4), 6 volt batteries (originally in one case) and an 8-pole double throw series-parallel switch to make 24 volts when starting (series) and 6 volts when generating / charging (parallel). Bill

I don't believe it's an Overland, though many were exported. The hood is too long for a 4-cylinder engine. The door hinges don't look like Overland (unique). The car is too long (7-passenger?) to be an Overland. Bill

I have recently reproduced Klaxon 20 nameplates. Please email me offline: thewacco@comcast.net Bill

As an Essex owner for 31 years, I have looked at a lot of them, and this is definitely one. It's a fairly rare car. Not many have been restored. You might check the resources of the Hudson-Essex-Terraplane Club Hudson Car Club - Hudson, Essex, Terraplane Cars Bill

The car pictured is not an Overland. 1912 was the first year Overland used the oval cloisonne radiator emblem. In 1913, the red and blue colors were reversed to the familiar arrangement that continued into the 1920's. Prior to then, the word "Overland" did not appear on the (brass) radiator shells, but it was usually painted on each side of the hood - diagonally in the lower, front corners of the top panels. Sheet and cast brass "Overland" radiator scripts were commonly used and may have been factory equipment. One is shown in the 1910 sales catalog. Bill

Could you post a picture of them please? Bill

My first pass at which are Buicks and which are Hudsons starts with the radiator emblem: the Buick emblem is rectangular, the Hudson emblem is a white triangle (pointing down). Thus, the small car at the far right in the first photo is a Buick as is the car on the left in the second photo. In the first photo, left to right: 1910 Hudson Model 20 (no front doors), 1913 Hudson Model 54 (hood is too long to be a 4-cylinder Model 37), five (5) 1914 or 1915 Hudson Model Six-40's, a (small) Buick. The 1914 and 1915 Six-40's are hard to tell apart in this photo as the details (full-floating rear axle = large rear hubcaps in 1914) are not visible or not sharp (the windshields are different). Interestingly, there are none of the flagship Six-54's (421 c.i.d., 6-cylinders, 135" w.b.) in the photo. As to the year of the photo, the 1914 Hudson Six-40's were introduced in November of 1913, so it's no earlier than that. I'd concur with the others that the photo dates from 1914 or 1915.

Stan Francis, then co-owner of Golden Restoration in Golden, Colorado did have a museum near the summit of Lookout Mountain, CO in the early 1970's. The museum was short-lived and he closed Golden Restoration, after his partner died, and moved to his present home in Howard, CO where he continued to restore cars until he "retired". He still has several cars and is revered by many in the car hobby for his skill and resourcefullness and as one of the nicest people you will ever meet.

I have a rear axle housing, with cast cover, truss rod, brake parts, etc. Large round attachment flange for planetary transmission. No axles, no gears, no transmission. Free if you haul it away. Located in Lakewood (Denver), Colorado. email me if interested: thewacco@comcast.net Bill

It's 1913 Hudson, but not 1914. Is it for sale? Bill

Chris is very close. The roadster is a 1915 Hudson 6-40, the touring a 1914 6-40. The windshields are different. Also, the rods between the headlights are in different locations - see where the license plate ends up relative to the radiator. The 1915 6-40's were introduced in June 1914. Bill

Perhaps I can help you as I have a 1913 Hudson Model 54 and a 1914 Hudson Six-54. The link in your post must have expired, as I can't follow it to a photo. Bill

I have a 1913 Overland Model 69TC which is equipped with the Cox Crankless Starter. The system consists of (1) the firewall-mounted valve and nameplate shown in the original post - this valve is foot-operated, opening a valve which is normally held closed by a spring, (2) a cast bronze tee fitting at the Prest-O-Lite tank - this fitting has two manually-operated (via the small, square-holed Prest-O-Lite wrench) valves, one leading to the headlights via 1/4" brass tubing and the other leading to the firewall-mounted valve via 1/8" brass tubing. There is another 1/4" brass tube running from the firewall-mounted valve to the intake manifold above the carburetor. The procedure, as I understand it, is carried out when shutting-down after running. The Ignition is switched to "O" (Off) via the REMY Coil-Switch and while the engine is still turning, the valve is pressed with the foot, allowing the last intake stroke to draw acetylene in. In theory, this cylinder will stop at top dead center ready to fire. Depending on the condition of the engine's valves and rings this condition would persist for some undetermined length of time. The operator would, at that time, switch the REMY Coil-Switch to "B" (Battery) and merely press the button on the REMY Coil-Switch, operating a contact in parallel with the ignition points in the REMY magneto, causing a spark, igniting the acetylene and starting the engine. This is a one-shot deal, if it doesn't start you're cranking. This is exactly like "starting on the spark" but with an acetylene assist. The threaded plugs in the Schebler carburetor are for water-jacketing - a feature that Overland did not utilize. I can supply photos of the set-up on my car if there is interest.

If it's a coupe, coach or sedan (closed car), the bows have only a slight curve and can be easily cut from a straight piece with a band saw. Open car bows are available from Oak Bows (expensive) and the Amish (shipping was more than the bows cost).

I have attended the Chickasha Pre-War Swap Meet every year it's been held. To answer your questions: 1. Like most swap meets, it's best to arrive early. Vendors can set-up on Wednesday evening, and, contrary to the official "rules", much buying and selling occurs then. The meet officially opens Thursday morning and it's a feeding frenzy until about noon. After that it really slows down. 2. If you don't already have a room reserved, you probably won't get one in Chickasha. Try Anadarko or anywhere else you like. The SW Chapter of the WOKR (Willys Overland Knight Registry) reserves (and fills) 50 rooms at the Days Inn. Prices are in the $65-$70 range. 3. There is lots of brass, lots of Model T & A parts, and lots of interesting things to look at. Prices are generally lower than Hershey, but nobody is giving away brass these days. 4. The meet is largely indoors, but interesting things turn up outside as well. (Last year an unrestored, pre-teens, 3-cylinder, air-cooled Chase truck appeared.) The weather can be anywhere from the 30's wet and windy to the 80's and beautiful. To quote the BSA, Be Prepared. An unrelated "feature" of this meet is the opportunity to visit a couple of marvelous private car collections in OK City (approximately 40 miles from Chickasha). The owners are kind enough to open their garages in the evenings. Ask around when you get to the meet.

It is a 1929 Essex radiator shell. I have owned a 1929 Essex since 1970. Bill