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  1. Although I haven't been there in probably four or so years, we always liked Fenicci's Italian restaurant on the main street in Hershey (I think Chocolate Avenue). A tad pricy, but not fancy at all...just good ol' italian and good rolls and salads and soups. We'd always go with a big group and have a good time (gently) harassing our servers, but they always took it in good humor and treated us well in return.


  2. What a sharp-looking Skyhawk! I haven't seen one that sharp and original-looking, probably since about 1980!

    I like the '75's simple instrument panel better than the '76 and later.

    I had two high-school friends who had new '75 Monza 2+2 V8's. I loved both cars at the time, great styling, decent 'oomph' and luxurious for a small car, but both had brakes that squealed so loudly you could hear them coming a block away. Front tires wore out quickly. The wheel covers like yours (called 'Tromphe L'Oeil'--Fool the Eye--in Chevy brochures) also tended to fall off fairly easily. Have you had any of these issues with your V6 Skyhawk (just curious), and did GM ever 'fix' these issues?

    I remember that I didn't see a Monza/Skyhawk/Starfire until our Chevy dealer got in a plum-colored Monza in Feb. '75. They were slow to arrive in our small town. I remember being shocked at the sticker prices too! Loved the styling though.


  3. Thanks for posting the pictures. What a beautiful car!

    When I was a kid, if a car had a front-seat center armrest, it was a luxury model...if it had a rear-seat center armrest as well, whoa, that was top-o'-the line luxury!

    Just IMHO, when a Centurion had an interior like this, I couldn't see why anyone would want an Electra. I like the cleaner Centurion styling better, and it was probably a tad less expensive.


  4. I don't ever remember seeing a '73 LeSabre Custom with the Centurion interior...only a '73 Centurion with the Centurion interior. I know there was no Centurion in '74 and the LeSabre Luxus basically took its place in the lineup (including the sole convertible body style). I remember '74 Luxus models having the notchback front seat with center armrest as did '73 and earlier Centurions.

    Question: I can't remember where, but not too long ago I saw a Centurion with a rear-seat center armrest. Is that right? Never saw one before. It was a four-door hardtop, but the upholstery and design looked like I remembered for Centurions.

    Bill P.

  5. That Caprice is a beautiful, original-looking car. I typically don't like the '73 Chevys, but like that color and car.

    Interesting...either the steering wheel has been replaced (doubtful), or, as was not that unusual back then, the car didn't receive the Caprice standard steering wheel, as an assembly-line goof. The Caprice wheel had a slightly different center with a band of fake woodgrain at the top of the center of the wheel and the word "Classic" in the center of the woodgrain band. This I know from 35 years of looking at the cars, plus owning a 1973 Chevrolet Dealers' Sales Album until a few months ago. That wheel is the Bel Air and Impala wheel.

    Still, a beautiful car.

    Bill P.

  6. I believe I've seen one or two in my life, but the '68 Chevelle brochure only shows Concours Sports Sedan and Concours Estate wagon. Could the Concours Sport Coupe have been a mid-year model and thus not have been in the brochure?

    This is driving me nuts! It's been years and years since (I'm pretty sure) I've seen one. They had a notchback front seat with center armrest.


  7. Shaffer, I am 99.99% sure he's joshin' you on the shift knob option on that Grand Ville!

    That is a beautiful Cadillac Calais. So similar to a deVille, it's true, but much, much rarer, and less money then and now. I can see why people bought them..."stepping up to a Cadillac" but still watching the budget. It's still a Cadillac, inside and out, despite no woodgrain!

    I clearly remember a black '72 Calais sedan, new, at our local dealer's. It was only there a couple days. Solid black, black cloth, blackwalls, no air and NO RADIO! I remember as plain as day, the price, with no options but with destination added, was $6,480.00 at the bottom of the sticker. Even Calais models at that time came standard with power windows.

    Bill P.

  8. As I've mentioned here before, my absolute favorite movie is "Hush, Hush Sweet Charlotte" (1964). It had more Oscar nominations than any scary movie up 'til 'Silence of the Lambs'. Very much the flavor of a Hitchcock movie, but I like it better than any of the Hitchcocks (and I've seen 'em all!). There are two '64 Electra six-window sedans and a '64 Special sedan featured in the movie. Here on YouTube is the last few minutes of the movie (might 'spoil' the movie a bit if you haven't yet seen it; might not), but you can see the dark-colored '64 Electra in much of these scenes.

    Bill P.

  9. Shaffer, no full-size Chevys from '71 and later ever came available from the factory with a 4-speed. In mid-'71 the Turbo-Hydramatic became standard equipment on V8 big Chevys. This '72 was converted to four-speed. I am not even certain if you could get a 4-speed in a '70 big Chevy, but I do know that bucket seats were no longer offered in '70. Last big Chevy I ever saw with a 4-speed was a '69.

    Bill P.

  10. No, apparently the '71 Impala four-door sedan I saw on eBay is no longer on. I guess I was too lazy to post the link here..going forward I will make sure to do that!

    It was a bone-stock looking '71 in a one-year only, medium-turquoise color. I've seen some of the Buick guys mention '71 LeSabres in the same color. For some reason, I think Chevy had the word "Sea" in their name for it. I only ever remember seeing one new Chevy at our local dealer in that color, a Bel Air sedan which they had for about the whole model year. It had been damaged in transit and I remember the dealer's bodyshop had left paint overspray on the front fender "BelAir" nameplate on the right side!

    The Impala on eBay had an original black vinyl interior in excellent shape. As we've discussed before, on '71 and '72 Chevys, a black interior is nice as it gives you a color-keyed dash (since the dash bezels were black on all full-size Chevys that year!)

    That green '72 Impala Custom Coupe you posted sure looks authentic. I was never a fan of that color, but it looks original and in the photo looks like it has that elegant '72 Impala seat trim in the beautiful light color ("Covert"). I wish '72 Impalas had a rocker panel molding. The '71's had a wide molding, and the '72's had none. Still, the '72's are probably my favorite big Chevy of the '71-'76 era, overall.

    Bill P.

  11. That is a nice Caprice. Incorrect wheel covers though...the ones on it are for an '80 to I believe '85 Caprice.

    There is also a nice '71 Impala Sedan on eBay now, low-mileage, that great one-year only Turquoise color, black vinyl interior, and the optional wheel opening and bodyside moldings along with the standard wide rocker panel moldings. Most interesting '71 big-Chevy I've seen on eBay since the Impala Sport Coupe 3-speed six-cylinder car there last year.

    Bill P.

  12. Yes, that car (the real one) is Ascot Blue. Too bad that didn't have the black cloth interior!

    I did always think, though, that the '72 Impala/Kingswood/Kingswood Estate vinyl was very attractive and durable...probably as nice a vinyl interior design and material as anybody was offering in '72. If it had a front seat center armrest, it would have been really, really, nice!


  13. I'd like to see that Lucy and Bob movie...who didn't love Lucy, especially around 1960!!

    My favorite Buick movie...heck, my favorite movie, period, is Hush...Hush, Sweet Charlotte with Bette Davis, Olivia deHavilland, Joseph Cotten, and Agnes Moorehead. Great story and terrific cinematography...and scary as all get-out! Since it's an old movie, there are some unintentionally funny parts, but overall it's a great flick. I can watch it again, and again, and again! I've seen most Hitchcock movies, and I like "..Charlotte" better than any of them.

    Bill P.

  14. The picture I remember, of a Caprice coupe made into a Sport Sedan, isn't in your grouping of photos. I'm wondering now if it might have been in a magazine ad or the single-sheet color photos Chevy gave out in dealerships at the time. It was a secondary car in the photo, off to the right and somewhat in the background.

    I agree that Caprice sedan photo looks airbrushed. I think they took a photo of a Sport Sedan (hardtop) and made it into a (post) sedan. Remember that the Caprice 4-door Sedan wasn't available at the beginning of the '72 model year and hence this brochure you have is probably a second edition. The BelAir roofline looks goofy too but I can't figure out why.

    I think '72 big Chevys were the best-looking, in and out, overall, of the '71-'76 Chevy lot, with that Caddy-like grille. But I hate how the BelAir has rocker moldings which weren't even optional on an Impala. You could option out a BelAir to have more moldings than available on an Impala! I love the Caprice side moldings, but when you got the optional bodyside moldings too, they were too close to the standard lower chrome molding...looked too jumbled to me.

    That brocade cloth in black on the wagon...that is the same material as the standard Impala interior. All-vinyl was an option in all Impalas (except convertible and Kingswood wagons) for $19.00 if I remember correctly...I'm pretty certain of the amount.

    Notice that by '72, they didn't even mention the Biscayne in the sales brochure...but the Brookwood wagon was mentioned in the wagon brochure. Biscayne must have only been in the fleet literature maybe.

    The '73 Chevy sales album I have is about 8 1/2 by 11, and I had to put it in my own notebook as the dealer was going to reuse the binder, but it's complete. It has the color chips and the entire line. I also had the very large '71 album which I sold at Carlisle about ten years ago for $60--it sold in fifteen minutes and I probably could have gotten much more for it. It was a very nice book...lots and lots on the big Chevys and Vegas (since both were new that year).

    Back to Buicks...that green Estate Wagon is beautiful. It's begging for whitewalls though, and I think Buick road wheels would be gorgeous on it! I'm a much bigger fan of the '73 green interiors by GM than the '71 and '72 which looked like pea soup! A friend's Dad had a beige '72 Buick Estate Wagon 3-seat with the wood panels and saddle Custom interior with center armrest. A real nice car...much nicer IMHO than another friend's Dad's '72 Chrysler Town and Country in the same color. I've heard the clamshell tailgates can be a real nightmare, but what a neat engineering feature. Very useful when they worked right, especially when trailering.

    I wonder if the third-seat in the Chevy with the brocade cloth was cloth or vinyl, too...good question!

    Bill P.

  15. Shaffer, I vaguely remember that wagon brochure for '72--mostly remember that they had the Sportvan in with the station wagons!

    Those wheelcovers are Impala, Bel Air, and Biscayne full wheelcovers, and I don't believe a Kingswood Estate wagon ever left the factory with those wheel covers. The Caprice wheel covers were standard on the Kingswood Estate(as shown in the picture of the blue wagon).

    That black cloth interior is straight out of the Impala. Notice it's artwork, not an actual car's interior. Cloth trim was a new concept for Chevy wagons that year. The Impala cloth seat trim in '72 was pretty darn nice, actually, and in black on a Kingswood Estate, you'd also have the color-keyed instrument cluster since the wheel and cluster were black in any color interior you got that year! I'd like a blue one with that black cloth interior. BTW, the blue appears darker in the photo than the actual color, which if I am remembering correctly was a light metallic blue.

    I think that back then, some of the photos in Chevy sales brochures were airbrushed. I always remember the '72 Caprice Sport Sedan photo actually being a Coupe photo that was stretched and two rear doors added...you can tell by the shape of the rear quarter glass. Along those same lines, in the '70 Chevy accessories brochure, there is a mechanical drawing of a Monte Carlo convertible!

    I think it's also rather comical that they show a Brookwood (Biscayne) wagon with the optional vinyl roof!

    Bill P.

  16. Shaffer, if that brochure shows a '72 Kingswood Estate wagon with Impala's full wheel covers, it's a goof! Kingswood Estates came standard with the Caprice's wheel covers, which were a flatter style (not "coned" out in the center like Impala's)--and had many concentric rings around the center, all the way to the outside.

    I found in the back of my office closet tonight, the '73 Chevy Showroom album given me by a salesman at the end of the '73 run. In '73 Chevy reverted to calling their wagons by the regular series name (BelAir, Impala, Caprice Estate). There is no mention at all of the "transluscent" woodgrain panels, just "Wood-grained vinyl body side and tailgate panels" for the Caprice Estate, and no mention of cloth trim avilable (just "Luxurious all-vinyl interior trim").

    I do remember seeing a '76 Impala wagon with the plaid Impala cloth interior trim. It was a light or white-based plaid cloth, with surrounding vinyl high-wear areas in a bright red. I'm not certain about this, but I know in '75 the Caprice convertible could be had with the Impala's cloth "herringbone" pattern seat trim...I wouldn't be surprised if the wagons could, too. Caprice convertibles AND wagons always had the Impala's seat and door panel trim up to and including the '76 model year (well, except for the "Impala" little chromed animal on the door panels, that is!)

    Bill P.

  17. Shaffer, I definitely remember the 'translucent' woodgrain panels being noted on '71 and '72 Kingswood Estate wagons, and I believed the woodgrain did look different, based on the exterior color of the car. I sort-of assume it would be the same for '73-'76 but can't say I remember it being touted as it was in '71 and '72.

    I believe that "brocade" interior is basically just the Impala cloth interior, available on the wagon. It had a rich pattern, although it was still the Impala seat trim (actually pretty nice for '72, just no center armrest or anything!) I've never seen a real '72 wagon with it, though.

    My Dad didn't work at a Chevy dealer, but I about lived at our local dealer during the '70's (hey, wasn't into sports, what else was a teenager supposed to do?!) I pored over every detail of the sales brochures, and much of that stuff is still seared into my consciousness!

    Bill P.

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