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  1. Joe, thank you so much for the very complete and prompt reply!  The car is indeed burgundy with a black vinyl top and red vinyl bucket seats.

     

    It had full wheel discs (like a Cutlass Supreme) when I first saw it, but it's on later Olds wire wheelcovers now.  The owner told me the original discs are in the trunk, which I didn't open--didn't have the key and she was busy being a hostess (totally understandable!).

     

    I would've thought (but only guessed) that 442's would have come with the Olds Super Stock wheels, but apparently (?) they were optional.

     

    It's an interesting car she'd entertain getting together as a reliable driver, but again, I fear the worst for the underbody.

     

    Someone over the years put an aftermarket body side molding down the side.

     

    When I saw "ANN PAINT" on the tag, I wondered if it was some special 'anniversary' paint color, but I knew 1968 was no even-year Olds anniversary number.  It has no stripe so the two 'N''s must just mean solid burgundy.  On my Chevys over the years, the tag on the inside of the decklid would list a color code for "L" (Lower) and "U" (Upper), and if the car was single-tone paint, the same code would be present in both.  Probably how Olds also handled solid paint color codes.

  2. I was at a wake/remembrance celebration for a friend yesterday out in NW PA.  His wife has a '68 442 that she hasn't driven in almost 30 years.  It's in a barn but on dirt floor (I know).  She asked if I could take a look.  I couldn't get underneath it as it is on four flat tires.  I fear the worst.  I will say this, both doors shut like a vault, and easily, and there is no visible body rustout and the vinyl top is virtually perfect.  She said she used to have the body 'oiled' and showed me the plugs in the body.  I rode in the car decades ago (she got it in '80).  Anyway, I'd like to decode the car.  I was wondering if it was really a 442 or one made up to appear to be one, but the VIN is 3448781143968 which I see online is indeed a 442.

     

    The cowl tag says "MADE IN CANADA", then C08C60D55M4OT-27.  It's a floorshift automatic.

    ST  68 34487OS3 47066 BODY

    TR 9452-7-15   ANN PAINT

     

    Thanks in advance for any help.  I was somewhat surprised to see "MADE IN CANADA" but then I remember '70's mid-size Chevys coming to my hometown dealer sometimes being from Oshawa, Ontario.

  3. I know that on Friday June 29, the Great Race lunched in Franklin, PA, and then drove to Warren, OH to the Packard Museum there. I am originally from Greenville, PA and have friends and family there still. I thought for certain that the route would take the cars from Franklin, right down Rt. 358 which is Main St., Greenville, west into Ohio and to Warren. I was wrong, but I haven't seen a single shred of information about what exact routes were taken from Franklin to Warren. Does anybody have any idea? Thanks!

  4. YES! that is what I was thinking when I read your initial description. I went to check the s/n. If you are ever in the St. Paul Mpls area stop by and check it out.

    I'd also ask Andy Beckman (I know him) to compare the destination on the Production Order (e.g., build sheet) to that of the Drive-Away shipper forum to make sure there wasn't a dealer-trade involved (which did happen then). For example, the production order of a '64 convertible sold at my hometown dealer in Pennsylvania said "Buffalo, NY", but the car was dealer-traded.

  5. Curt, looking quickly (I'm supposed to be working!), I couldn't find a roster on the Avanti Owners' Association International site. I'd recommend you post on the Studebaker Drivers' Club forum AND the Avanti Owners' Association International site about your serial number. And again, keep in the mind the Studebaker National Museum (they have a website; look at their "Archives" section for information) for build sheet and how to obtain one or both 'retail sales cards' for your car. Good luck!

    Bill

  6. Curt, google Avanti Owners' Association International and a roster of serial numbers should come up. Also, the Studebaker National Museum has a file cabinet, by serial number, of names and addresses of the original owners, although they'll charge somewhere between $25 and $30 to send you a copy--still, pretty neat and I don't think any other make of car has anything like that. If your car was bought new in Sept. '63 or later, the Studebaker National Museum also has a secondary card that shows the original buyer's occupation and what he traded in. That might be another hour's labor at $25, but again, pretty darn neat. Of course, they also have the build sheets for the cars--$45.

  7. Glad to help, Mary Anne...this type of thing is fascinating to me and we are so lucky in the Studebaker hobby to have so much production and sales paperwork extant at the Studebaker National Museum.

    You and Jerry should maybe think a little about coming to South Bend for the 50th International Studebaker Drivers' Club Meet this summer. God-willing, I'll be there!

    Bill

  8. I agree with Dave on most of what he said, but I also think the Studebaker Lark facelift from '63 to '64 was genius and done on a shoestring, although it looks like a totally different car.

    I think the GM midsize cars were made more handsome in the '81 model year, than the '80...some streamlining and such did wonders IMHO. Too bad that was offset by declining quality control and the introduction of the on-board emissions computer!

    On the negative side, I think most cars were introduced with their best styling, and for the second or third year were simply changed for the sake of change, but not improved. Examples fresh in my mind are all the '65 full-size GM cars, which I think got less stylish in '66 (although still pretty). Also, I know a strike kept the '73 GM midsize cars from coming out in '72, but I don't think I'd ever been as disappointed in a new model as when I saw the '72 Chevelle. All they did was put in a half-baked grille with no bowtie emblem, replacing the handsome two-tier grille of the '71 Chevelle, and replace the twin parking lights on each side with one big lens.

  9. We are looking for gold '63 Studebaker Avanti with R1 engine (non-supercharged), floor-shift automatic, power steering, radio, rear seat speaker, and beige vinyl (correct name "Elk") bucket-seat interior. The car is serial no. 63R-2837 and engine no. is R-2069. The car was the first Avanti sold in North Dakota--through Wavra Motors in Grand Forks. The only other Avanti sold at Wavra survives.

    The car was purchased new by Mary Anne McElroy, a 20-year old student at the University of North Dakota. She was photographed getting the keys, standing in front of the car, in the "Studebaker News" which was the dealer organ, in the May '63 issue. We were able to ascertain the serial number through a review of production/shipping and sales paperwork at the Studebaker National Museum in South Bend.

    Mary Anne found me through the net and has asked my help in locating her car. There is no record of the car surviving on any internet roster of Avantis by serial number. I am working with the Studebaker Drivers' Club and Avanti Owners' Association International to publicize the search as well. There was a similar Avanti in Bismarck, ND some fifteen or so years ago, but we've ascertained that is a higher serial no. car than Mary Anne's.

    We thought we would post on this forum as well.

    The car was traded in at Wilcox and Malm Oldsmobile in Grand Forks, ND in 1966.

    The following thread on the Studebaker Drivers' Club forum shows the May '63 "Studebaker News" photo of Mary Anne and the car, about halfways down:

    http://forum.studebakerdriversclub.com/showthread.php?48218-Small-world-time...&highlight=small+world+time

    If you any information on a car that sounds like this one, please post here and let me know. Thanks!

    Wish us luck!

    Thanks,

    Bill Pressler

    Kent, OH

  10. Studebaker parts for Larks are plentiful, even NOS, but I had looked from South Bend to Hershey for red armrests for my '63 Daytona Skytop R1. A buddy told me about a junkyard near our mutual hometown in NW PA. We went there, and I found excellent armrests from a 4-door Cruiser, as well as a tinted windshield to replace the clear one that had been installed in the car at some point along the way. I also got sunvisor clips from the same Cruiser I got the armrests from (even though I could buy repops of those).

  11. Studebaker, my favorite marque, built Wright Cyclone engines for the Boeing Flying Fortress, small tracked utility vehicle "Weasel", and tens of thousands of six-by-six trucks for the supply lines and fighting fronts. Studebaker trucks were also utilized in "Lend Lease" in Russia and supposedly they call all trucks "Studebaker" there. More Studebaker trucks were in service on the Alcan highway than any other make of truck.

    Studebaker built military vehicles from the Civil War to VietNam.

    I might add, it is nice that such a post honoring the sacrifices of Americans on this date in history is able to be posted here, as it is on the Studebaker Drivers' Club forum. Twice today, I've tried to post a similar thread on the Edmunds' Classic Car Forum, which I do regularly, and I have to believe it has been removed both times today.

  12. ...has apparently been reissued. This might be old news; excuse me if it is, but the other night while waiting for my daughter in our local "Hobby Lobby" store, there were two or three '62 Electra 225 2-dr. HT AMT kits on the shelf, in what looked like a reproduction of the original packaging. They were priced at $17.95.

    Just FYI. Seems like an esoteric kit to be re-released, but pretty neat I think.

  13. Although I haven't been there in probably four or so years, we always liked Fenicci's Italian restaurant on the main street in Hershey (I think Chocolate Avenue). A tad pricy, but not fancy at all...just good ol' italian and good rolls and salads and soups. We'd always go with a big group and have a good time (gently) harassing our servers, but they always took it in good humor and treated us well in return.

    Bill

  14. I've always very much liked the '77-79 big Chevy coupes. My Dad bought a new '77 Impala coupe in Nov. '76 and I much-preferred it to the '74 Impala we traded in.

    They were glass-smooth riding and extremely quiet, and I remember they had a big trunk and very livable back seat.

    People say there were issues with the THM 200 trans and 305 engine, although we had no issues with either in the 57K miles we drove it. I do remember the large sedan rail around the driver's side window, broke a weld at the rear of the door.

    I would love a Caprice coupe of that era with 350, which got you the heavier trans, and those plastic dished-out wheel covers that looked like wires. I actually like them better than the "Landau" chromed wire wheel covers. Get one with F41 suspension and the Custom interior (which got you a lot of velour on the seats and the neat, chromed plastic escutcheons around the door handles inside), and you have a Buick-level luxury car with clean Chevy styling.

    I think some of the soft trim parts may be hard to find.

    Good luck...great car!

    Bill

  15. If you could not tell the early Seville (77-9( was based on a Nova you were blind,the 80 and up were just a 4 door version of a Eldo,Riviera or Toronada.

    I do not believe there was a single piece of sheet metal that interchanged from a Nova to a Seville, nor an interior piece. The Versailles shared most sheet metal with the Granada, and also the instrument panel and all glass.

    To me, that's even more egregious than making a Cimarron out of a Cavalier, in that a Versailles was a much-more expensive car than a Cimarron (adjusting for inflation of course).

    Bill

  16. http://packardinfo.com/xoops/html/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=9804

    I provided these photos to the webmaster of the 'Packard Info' site, after I had shown the dealer, Carl E. Filer, Jr., their page that showed a 1947 photo of his dealership with a Studebaker out front. Carl Jr. asked me if I could send the site a picture of this Packard they delivered in July '56 and I sent all five that I had that Carl Jr. had allowed me to copy, years ago. All are posted on their site now.

    These pics were taken on delivery day and they were rightly proud to be delivering a Caribbean. Only 276 were built for the '56 model year.

    The car was serial no. 5699-1258, eighteen from the last Packard convertible. It was bought by Dr. Arby L. Bailey of Greenville in northwestern PA and was delivered from Packard's Connor Ave. plant in Detroit to the docks at Cleveland and driven to Greenville by Carl E. Filer, Jr. for retail delivery to Dr. Bailey.

    The car survives in beautiful condition. The last known owner lives in NC and the car was at the Amelia Island auction in 2004 but did not sell with a high bid of $48K.

    Thought some here might enjoy these old pics. Note the '39 Studebaker Commander Coupe parked alongside the building, and the '56 Studebaker in the showroom window behind the Packard.

    The dealership opened in 1926 (building in photo opened in '47) and they sold Studebakers 'til the end and remained an authorized Studebaker Parts and Service dealer in this building until Dec. 1968. About five years ago I bought the door leading from the showroom to the Parts Dept. that still has the red Studebaker ball and "Parts and Accessories" written around it. Amazingly, no one had painted over it in 40 years. The building is now a laundromat. The door serves as a desktop in my office now.

    Bill

  17. I'll tell you, we had a '74 Impala Sport Coupe (four actual windows that rolled down!) and traded in on a new '77 Impala Coupe. I preferred the '77 in most every way. It was quieter, had a 'tighter' ride, and had soft vinyl door panels from top to bottom. I think the styling has held up very well. The downsides? People had trans problems with the THM they used in the 305 V8 (but not in the 350), and in several years in salty areas, the rear frame rusted out. We experienced neither of these things with our 305 model. Boy, could I enjoy a cherry '77 Caprice coupe with 350, the plastic, scooped-out pseudo wire wheelcovers, and F41 suspension! Trouble is, nice stock ones are very hard to find.

  18. Never having driven or ridden in one, I probably like the '67 Wildcat 2-door Hardtop best. Luxurious interior, nice power, fastback styling instead of formal styling. At GM, that kind of combination seemed to stop around the '71 model year.

    I also like the '68 Wildcat but I think the instrument panel in the '67 is a little nicer.

    Even with the big bumpers, I like a '73 Century Gran Sport too.

    Bill

  19. There used to be a Chevy dealer in a Cleveland suburb called "C. Miller Chevrolet". Not that he had any particularly original slogans, but he was an old guy then and would come out wearing a barrel, talking about how he had to sell his new-car inventory at fire sale prices, etc. At the end of each ad he'd throw a big Dinah Shore/Jim Lange kiss and would say, "See the USA in a C. Miller Chevrolet!" One time he was stooped over with superimposed photos of new Chevy station wagons on his back. He said, "Get these station wagons off my back!" Corny as all get-out!

    Bill

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