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  1. Joe, thank you so much for the very complete and prompt reply! The car is indeed burgundy with a black vinyl top and red vinyl bucket seats. It had full wheel discs (like a Cutlass Supreme) when I first saw it, but it's on later Olds wire wheelcovers now. The owner told me the original discs are in the trunk, which I didn't open--didn't have the key and she was busy being a hostess (totally understandable!). I would've thought (but only guessed) that 442's would have come with the Olds Super Stock wheels, but apparently (?) they were optional. It's an interesting car she'd entertain getting together as a reliable driver, but again, I fear the worst for the underbody. Someone over the years put an aftermarket body side molding down the side. When I saw "ANN PAINT" on the tag, I wondered if it was some special 'anniversary' paint color, but I knew 1968 was no even-year Olds anniversary number. It has no stripe so the two 'N''s must just mean solid burgundy. On my Chevys over the years, the tag on the inside of the decklid would list a color code for "L" (Lower) and "U" (Upper), and if the car was single-tone paint, the same code would be present in both. Probably how Olds also handled solid paint color codes.
  2. I was at a wake/remembrance celebration for a friend yesterday out in NW PA. His wife has a '68 442 that she hasn't driven in almost 30 years. It's in a barn but on dirt floor (I know). She asked if I could take a look. I couldn't get underneath it as it is on four flat tires. I fear the worst. I will say this, both doors shut like a vault, and easily, and there is no visible body rustout and the vinyl top is virtually perfect. She said she used to have the body 'oiled' and showed me the plugs in the body. I rode in the car decades ago (she got it in '80). Anyway, I'd like to decode the car. I was wondering if it was really a 442 or one made up to appear to be one, but the VIN is 3448781143968 which I see online is indeed a 442. The cowl tag says "MADE IN CANADA", then C08C60D55M4OT-27. It's a floorshift automatic. ST 68 34487OS3 47066 BODY TR 9452-7-15 ANN PAINT Thanks in advance for any help. I was somewhat surprised to see "MADE IN CANADA" but then I remember '70's mid-size Chevys coming to my hometown dealer sometimes being from Oshawa, Ontario.
  3. I know that on Friday June 29, the Great Race lunched in Franklin, PA, and then drove to Warren, OH to the Packard Museum there. I am originally from Greenville, PA and have friends and family there still. I thought for certain that the route would take the cars from Franklin, right down Rt. 358 which is Main St., Greenville, west into Ohio and to Warren. I was wrong, but I haven't seen a single shred of information about what exact routes were taken from Franklin to Warren. Does anybody have any idea? Thanks!
  4. I'd also ask Andy Beckman (I know him) to compare the destination on the Production Order (e.g., build sheet) to that of the Drive-Away shipper forum to make sure there wasn't a dealer-trade involved (which did happen then). For example, the production order of a '64 convertible sold at my hometown dealer in Pennsylvania said "Buffalo, NY", but the car was dealer-traded.
  5. Curt, looking quickly (I'm supposed to be working!), I couldn't find a roster on the Avanti Owners' Association International site. I'd recommend you post on the Studebaker Drivers' Club forum AND the Avanti Owners' Association International site about your serial number. And again, keep in the mind the Studebaker National Museum (they have a website; look at their "Archives" section for information) for build sheet and how to obtain one or both 'retail sales cards' for your car. Good luck! Bill
  6. Curt, google Avanti Owners' Association International and a roster of serial numbers should come up. Also, the Studebaker National Museum has a file cabinet, by serial number, of names and addresses of the original owners, although they'll charge somewhere between $25 and $30 to send you a copy--still, pretty neat and I don't think any other make of car has anything like that. If your car was bought new in Sept. '63 or later, the Studebaker National Museum also has a secondary card that shows the original buyer's occupation and what he traded in. That might be another hour's labor at $25, but again, pretty darn neat. Of course, they also have the build sheets for the cars--$45.
  7. Glad to help, Mary Anne...this type of thing is fascinating to me and we are so lucky in the Studebaker hobby to have so much production and sales paperwork extant at the Studebaker National Museum. You and Jerry should maybe think a little about coming to South Bend for the 50th International Studebaker Drivers' Club Meet this summer. God-willing, I'll be there! Bill
  8. Thanks for posting! I have let Mary Anne know about the info you posted. Could you perhaps post a photo at some time? Sounds like quite a project; good luck!
  9. I agree with Dave on most of what he said, but I also think the Studebaker Lark facelift from '63 to '64 was genius and done on a shoestring, although it looks like a totally different car. I think the GM midsize cars were made more handsome in the '81 model year, than the '80...some streamlining and such did wonders IMHO. Too bad that was offset by declining quality control and the introduction of the on-board emissions computer! On the negative side, I think most cars were introduced with their best styling, and for the second or third year were simply changed for the sake of change, but not improved. Examples fresh in my mind are all the '65 full-size GM cars, which I think got less stylish in '66 (although still pretty). Also, I know a strike kept the '73 GM midsize cars from coming out in '72, but I don't think I'd ever been as disappointed in a new model as when I saw the '72 Chevelle. All they did was put in a half-baked grille with no bowtie emblem, replacing the handsome two-tier grille of the '71 Chevelle, and replace the twin parking lights on each side with one big lens.
  10. Wow, that's not a good sign at all, but thank you so very much for doing so much "digging" into the old rosters! The international rosters might be one of the 'ways to go'. Thanks again!
  11. We are looking for gold '63 Studebaker Avanti with R1 engine (non-supercharged), floor-shift automatic, power steering, radio, rear seat speaker, and beige vinyl (correct name "Elk") bucket-seat interior. The car is serial no. 63R-2837 and engine no. is R-2069. The car was the first Avanti sold in North Dakota--through Wavra Motors in Grand Forks. The only other Avanti sold at Wavra survives. The car was purchased new by Mary Anne McElroy, a 20-year old student at the University of North Dakota. She was photographed getting the keys, standing in front of the car, in the "Studebaker News" which was the dealer organ, in the May '63 issue. We were able to ascertain the serial number through a review of production/shipping and sales paperwork at the Studebaker National Museum in South Bend. Mary Anne found me through the net and has asked my help in locating her car. There is no record of the car surviving on any internet roster of Avantis by serial number. I am working with the Studebaker Drivers' Club and Avanti Owners' Association International to publicize the search as well. There was a similar Avanti in Bismarck, ND some fifteen or so years ago, but we've ascertained that is a higher serial no. car than Mary Anne's. We thought we would post on this forum as well. The car was traded in at Wilcox and Malm Oldsmobile in Grand Forks, ND in 1966. The following thread on the Studebaker Drivers' Club forum shows the May '63 "Studebaker News" photo of Mary Anne and the car, about halfways down: http://forum.studebakerdriversclub.com/showthread.php?48218-Small-world-time...&highlight=small+world+time If you any information on a car that sounds like this one, please post here and let me know. Thanks! Wish us luck! Thanks, Bill Pressler Kent, OH
  12. Studebaker parts for Larks are plentiful, even NOS, but I had looked from South Bend to Hershey for red armrests for my '63 Daytona Skytop R1. A buddy told me about a junkyard near our mutual hometown in NW PA. We went there, and I found excellent armrests from a 4-door Cruiser, as well as a tinted windshield to replace the clear one that had been installed in the car at some point along the way. I also got sunvisor clips from the same Cruiser I got the armrests from (even though I could buy repops of those).
  13. I'd trust what the manufacturer said at the time of manufacture, over a third-party in a reference book decades later. I can't tell you how many errors of basic fact I find in "reference" books about collector cars today.
  14. I'm looking at a full-page Studebaker magazine ad from the '40's. It says, quote, "Studebaker builds huge quantities of Wright Cyclone engines for the Boeing Flying Fortress"...in two places in the ad.
  15. Studebaker, my favorite marque, built Wright Cyclone engines for the Boeing Flying Fortress, small tracked utility vehicle "Weasel", and tens of thousands of six-by-six trucks for the supply lines and fighting fronts. Studebaker trucks were also utilized in "Lend Lease" in Russia and supposedly they call all trucks "Studebaker" there. More Studebaker trucks were in service on the Alcan highway than any other make of truck. Studebaker built military vehicles from the Civil War to VietNam. I might add, it is nice that such a post honoring the sacrifices of Americans on this date in history is able to be posted here, as it is on the Studebaker Drivers' Club forum. Twice today, I've tried to post a similar thread on the Edmunds' Classic Car Forum, which I do regularly, and I have to believe it has been removed both times today.