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  1. '72 was 1st year... 14% of cars had it. Nothing available earlier. Cadillac in the'60s had power passenger buckets...but it was 2 way only! Darwin Falk 1966-70 ROA Technical Advisor
  2. Great News Jon... a good investment. There's a 95% chance that this is a legitimate '66 Riviera GS. As other posts have mentioned, it is not terribly hard to clone one... but cloners rarely get all the little clues right. Of the visible ones, they're all there and as expected. To confirm further, we'd need to see stamped codes. The car was originally Riviera Silver Green...but this is definitely not that color. (Actually, this color looks nicer to me... closer to a Turquoise mist). For top dollar like this, if the color isn't an exact '66 Riviera color, it harms value ... (I mean, it looks nice, but if this turns out to be a Toyota paint color, the value of the paint job goes way down). Also, it's not a great restoration... all sorts of things that weren't done to the interior. For this price, the woodgrain should be replaced, LOL. Darwin Falk 1966-70 ROA Technical Advisor
  3. The reason '66 are different from other Buicks is that they had a real ammeter gauge and so the cars' wiring is slightly different than others. Luckily, for '67 they did it differently so a '67 switch fits all the '67 Big Buicks... but that's it. At least slightly more common than the '66 one is. '68s had different connectors ... then '69 and later are in column. So not much to interchange with. Each GM division used their own switches. A '66 one is easily worth $150 NOS and a '67 at $110-130. I certainly wouldn't sell either one for less... too impossible to replace. ' Even a key for a new car costs more than $98 so its hardly unreasonable for a part that hasn't been made in 40 years. Darwin Falk 1966-70 ROA Technical Advisor.
  4. A version of sales codes were used in '63's body plates and on later year GM cars that were made at other assembly plants. Fisher's body plates for '64 through '67 use option codes that don't bear any relationship to RPO codes or sales codes. 3B is rear defogger for all 4 years, '64 to '67. The 'pattern' of the groups used on Fisher body codes isn't very 'strict'... generally speaking options with lower group numbers are bigger ticket items while the last groups, 4&5 tends to be 'fluff' that would be last installs. Group 1 are big ticket items...very fundamental to the car like glass, power windows and seats. Group 2 tends to be AC and transmission oriented Group 3 tends be remaining functional options Group 4 is rare ... only remote outside mirror ever occurs on Rivs. Group 5 does tend to be seat belt oriented... though door edge guards are another common Group 5. Darwin Falk 1966-70 Tech Advisor
  5. This is partially correct. '65s are like '66s, the VINs are quite sequential among Rivieras, but with a few outliers. For '66, a small number of Wildcats built in Flint have sequenced Vins among the Rivs. I have documented quite a few '65s over the years... earliest for me was 6,471 from November 3rd week 1965 up to 52,043 for a 3rd week of July car. Given how late this last one was built, I seriously doubt there are more than a handful beyond 52,043. With the known production of Rivs for the year, there are a few non Rivs in with them as you can see. Those of you who attend ROA Meets have no doubt seen me with my laptop on the show field documenting the '65-73's that attended... Darwin Falk 1966-70 ROA Technical Advisor
  6. I agree with Ed's interpretation. Caps were installed at the dealership. While it was available at factory or as dealer option, the caps (as well as all wheelcovers) were installed upon arrival at the dealer. A sheet I'd never seen before either... I wasn't aware of the 2 rim widths for 7.1 vs 7.6" tires. Darwin Falk 1966-70 ROA Technical Advisor.
  7. I've previously covered some of this discussion in previous "Options Not Included" articles in the Riview. ACRS is quite rare... only 329 '74 Rivieras had it... not experimental...just another option you could get if you spent the money. Obviously not popular. A separate service manual was issued in '74 and '75 for the system. There was a tank mounted along the lower side of the passenger dash that held the inflator gas under high pressure. It is about the size of a small fire extinguisher... 10 1970 Rivieras had ABS brakes on the rear wheels. It was not regularly offered as an option... they may have all been destroyed by the factory... no one knows. Oldsmobile, on the other hand, offered rear wheel ABS as a routine option (it is this system that's found on Silver Arrow III by the way). But again... not popular at all... only a very low percentage was sold with ABS back in the '70s. Darwin Falk 1966-70 ROA Technical Advisor ROA#2077
  8. Well, I'm pleasantly surprised. I got OPGI's catalog for the '50s '60s '70s Cadillacs in the mail today. Many/most of the items are reselling of other people's products of course... but seeing all the reproduction stuff photographed / described in full color in one book was a great experience. There are a couple Eldorado items I'll be ordering ...that fit Riviera too. If they do approximately as well for Riviera as they did for Cadillac then we're in for a whole different buying experience than any of us are used to (well except for those Riv owners who have a Chevy in their garage too). Darwin Falk ROA#2077
  9. September marks the 1 year anniversary of their ads. So far, the only thing they have is a picture of a catalog cover. Not an impressive start... Darwin Falk ROA#2077
  10. Darwin Falk, 1966-70 ROA Technical Advisor, coming up from Orange County
  11. 1a)This is the most difficult piece of trim to install on 2nd generation Rivieras. If your paint is extra thick, you might even need to sand it down a bit to get a fit. Best way is to start at the apex of the curve and work your way out carefully. You must get the curve matching very closely or you will have problems. ... you want to start outside edge and pull it down and in bit by bit working to the ends. Work to the back lower edge first... then the longer distance to the front edge. A 'church key' with a little electrical tape on it was my tool. 2) No 3) removal of 3 of the 4 bolts holding the window regulator is easiest...yes, it has to drop. Patience (and starting at the right point in the curve) is the key to install... it takes time to get it back on exactly right. Keep working it on further and further... inches by inches until you get to the front ... the further you get away from the curve, the easier it seems to go. Darwin Falk 1966-70 ROA Technical Advisor
  12. Generally speaking, most non-disc brakes on '68s are Delco Moraine and ALL disc brakes are Bendix. A further clue is that the Delco MOraine booster is of larger diameter and unpainted (originally gold cadmium finish). A Bendix booster is a little smaller in diameter, has a smoother 'face', and is painted black. Darwin Falk 1966-70 ROA Technical Advisor
  13. From what I've seen, belts are like original factory hoses... they have the part number printed on them, in white ink from what I've seen. No indication of who manufactured the belts for Buick/GM. Darwin Falk 1966-70 ROA Technical Advisor
  14. Only a small number of Toronados had shoulder harnesses in '67, on deluxe models, 1.5% of total production. The belts could be either the 'deluxe' ones (chrome metal buckles) or standard (black buckles). The standard are very very rare. (Man, I'd love to find a parts car that had harnesses... nice!) In theory, you could be looking at the difference between deluxe and standard belts. However, my experience with a '67 Eldorado is that the holders on my car are plastic. So... barring additional evidence, I think plastic is more likely correct for both deluxe and standard belts. The plastic retainer can be fabricated pretty easily from '71-73 seat belt holders...They are most often found on big Buicks... they were plastic tabs to mount all the positions of belts in... I was able to easily duplicate my one damaged '67 retainer in this manner. Bucket seats are always only 4-way in this era... 6'way buckets weren't introduced until mid-70s. Headrests were optional for '66, '67 and '68 Toronados; less than 11% of Toronados had them. A rare and desirable accessory. Does your car have the reclining seat back on the passenger side also? Darwin Falk TOA#7
  15. Number 44 is the one that came with the '66 from the factory. 42 has wires built into the switch... this gives it away as a Delco Remy Switch used in earlier years but not at all in '66 or '67. 1966's have the wiring built into the harness so the wires on 42 make it unusable in '66/67.... The '66 switch is made by "Littlefuse", not Delco Remy according to the parts book. A cable/adapter was introduced and sold to allow use of the later switches in earlier cars. Never seen a style 43 before. 41 is a second style of 44. Shop manuals and parts books say that '66 and '67s used the same switch...and picture switch 44 in the diagrams for both years. But on '67s, I mostly see style 41 used. Although it looks way way shorter, they both adjust to the same length. The 41 style has a long white plastic shaft inside which becomes brittle and breaks easily; '66 styles use a metal shaft so it's more durable. Darwin Falk 1966-70 ROA Technical Advisor
  16. Well, there's a reproduction out there that fits, yes... but. The reservoir that is sold as being correct for '63 to '70 is a compromise. There were actually at least 3 distinct varieties of reservoirs used during those years...and a 4th generic style that GM sold later as a replacement for them (generic has only 2 screw holes to mount, not 3). The styles differ in the amount of 'cut away' that was increased to give more room for dual reservoir master cylinders in '67 etc. The '63 to '66 style has no such notching in. So, get a repro...but watch for a nice original...for show cars there's still nothing better than an original one. Darwin Falk 1966-70 ROA Technical Advisor
  17. The May/June 2007 issue of the Riview has my article in it that covers the numbers exported for the various years... Darwin Falk 1966-70 ROA Technical Advisor
  18. "Chopper" (no name given so I'll use this to address you): Welcome; By 1972 there isn't much in the way of "coding" on the various plates; it merely confirms very basic stuff you already know: Black car, black vinyl roof black bench interior not a Gran Sport In addition, the 02A tells us the car was built the 1st week of February, 1972... midway in the production year. The one number string is actual "FL1" first... that means Flint production line 1... then a sequence # for the body. Once you join ROA, you might want to go ahead and order back issues of the Riview for the 2008 year; in there I published an article on '72 exterior options, paint, etc and how many cars had what... and then that info got a correction later and expanded upon in a later issue. And another issue covered AC options including '72; so pretty much each issue has something pertinent. In '07 is an article on how many were originally exported... yours could perhaps be one of those? I'll be revisiting the '72 year for interior options and accessories ... currently my best estimate of 'when' this will occur is late 2009. Your car has one unusual characteristic so far... the 19 code underhood indicates the black paint is the original color... this was very unusual since it had to be specially ordered. Only 565 got black paint from the factory...and only 375 of those were vinyl roofed. Darwin Falk 1966-70 ROA Technical Advisor
  19. My guess is that they plan to offer the gold GS emblem... 75 is the last year it was used... I doubt they'll offer much of anything for post-73 Rivieras; the demand just wouldn't be there. Darwin Falk ROA#2077
  20. Side marker lights were made mandatory by the government for '68 and newer models. No '67s had them. Some owners thought the idea updated the look on their older cars and cut holes in their fenders for them... much to current owners' chagrin. Darwin Falk 1966-70 ROA Technical Advisor
  21. Let's give equal time / credit. Check out also Seite 19 for 33rd place car too! Darwin Falk ROA#2077
  22. Marty: It's not well known, but DiamondBack Classics will custom make any whitewall design you can dream up. These 3 stripe tires were used up to '69 on Rivieras... I know of a '69 Riviera owner (down in Texas) who had a set made up for his car... and they do look stunning. Plus, unlike those Coker tires, you can have the look and still have radial smoothness and handling. Darwin Falk 1966-70 ROA Technical Advisor
  23. Yes, the arm rest bases were originally 'chrome' finish. Since only 2263 cars were made like yours, it is quite uncommon. I have easily over 500 pictures of '66 Rivieras I've collected in the last few years...but I'm not sure I have a clear enough photo of seat backs to help you. The best would be for you to send me a few pictures of what you have and I can tell if it's original or not. Send to my ROA Riviera address of riviera66@aol.com. We can discuss the other questions you have on interior details directly... Darwin Falk 1966-70 ROA Technical Advisor
  24. The article you saw in HMM was littered with numerous and significant factual errors (I think i found something like 18 of them). Back then, the previous 'management' of the ROA proofed the article instead of having someone who knew something about '66 Rivs look at it. As to where HMM got the bogus 'information' in the article to begin with, I don't know. I just know it's mostly wrong. So, don't rely on that article for anything and you'll be further ahead... it's been nearly 3 years now and that 'article' continues to mislead owners with wrong information. No as for your car, Al is correct that SMS has the correct materials. And, since the '66s seats aren't simple sofa type affairs as found in the '63 to '65, you're really much better off to have the covers professionally made and installed by a local shop anyway. Your comment about arm rests leads me to believe that you have a Standard Interior car. That has some plusses and minuses. Standard interiors are much more uncommon. For upholstery, it means you need to buy more material since your seat backs (if a bench seat) would be all fabric while a Deluxe interior would have metal panels instead. And unfortunately, the back panels are of different material than on the front. Also on the down side, standard interior door panels include an 'embossing' that is pretty much impossible to duplicate to match the factory look. So you probably will be best off to repair your existing panels and to watch for used replacements on eBay. The armrests are pretty simple affairs and likely interchange to other GM cars of that year. I see, however, that there is a lot of variability in these armrests... on a '65 to '67 Chevrolet for example, the Biscayne, Impala, and Bel Air each have slightly different bases. And since I don't have a standard interior, I don't have a good example to match it up to, to validate interchange. Darwin Falk 1966-70 ROA Technical Advisor
  25. Well, the turn signal lever would be Buick installed, not Fisher... but good catch to note a 'sign' of a likely interior alteration. Darwin Falk ROA#2077