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  • Birthday 07/21/1973
  1. The school I am attending for auto restoration has a dilemma. They have a 1930 Pierce Arrow roadster, but after an authentication study it appears to have been cobbled together from several different Pierces early in its life (history back to the '50s is known). They would like to do a complete correct restoration on this car, and would like the help of another Pierce fan or fans out there. They are looking for a 1930 B chassis or frame, with a 134 inch wheelbase, with or without an engine, trans and the like, that would be correct for the roadster. In exchange, they would give the donor the current roadster chassis, #1003500, which is a 1930 C, 132" wheelbase. It still carries the Pierce tag on the right framerail, just behind the right wheel, and is perfectly legible. Currently, there is an A engine in the car, and I'm not sure they want to part with it, but obviously, the swap would be part for part, so if there is no engine, then no engine would be exchanged. Also, the chassis donated must be tagged and verifyable as a 1930 B. The roadster currently has front fenders and splash aprons from a different vehicle, all in relatively good condition, so if there are any differences between those and a correct model B, then they would trade those as well. If there is anyone out there interested in a swap like this, have them get back to me, and I'll try to set something up with the school through my instructor. I also have a thread going in the Pierce Section, and can be emailed at Nutsnbolts@hotmail.com Thanks! -Rich
  2. I will post the pics of these 2 cars this weekend. Here's what the school is mulling over: Since there is no way to make the roadster technically correct with what they have, they are thinking of a swap. It would work like this... They are looking for a 1930 B chassis or frame, with a 134 inch wheelbase, with or without an engine, trans and the like, that would be correct for the roadster. In exchange, they would give the donor the current roadster chassis, #1003500. Obviously, the swap would be part for part, so if there is no engine, then no engine would be exchanged. Also, the chassis donated must be tagged and verifyable as a 1930 B. The roadster currently has front fenders and splash aprons from a different vehicle, all in relatively good condition, so if there are any differences between those and a correct model B, then they would trade those as well. If there is anyone out there interested in a swap like this, have them get back to me, and I'll try to set something up with the school through my instructor. I'll also post this in the FS/Wanted section... -Rich
  3. Thank you all for your input! Well, here's the final results, then: Car 1: 1930 C chassis, B body (roadster), with an A engine, rod+lever brakes, Gemmer steering box, and 5-lug wheels. Quite a mutt- the body doesn't fit well on the frame as the rear splash pan bolt holes do not line up with the fender holes at all. Car 2: 1931 restored chassis (unknown type), sedan body (in very bad shape, but rebuildable), with C engine, cable brakes, Gemmer steering box (must be early '31?), and 6 lug wheels. This car is the one I had questions about, as the title shows it to be a '29 model B, but the serial number on the title indicates 1930 model C. I knew something was amiss about this car when we discovered that the body tag and chassis tags were not present, and the previous owner/restorer is long gone. Is there any way to tell a model B from a model C just by looking at or measuring the frame? The wheelbase on this car is exactly 134", which we know indicates model B, but we would like to make sure that the previous owner that restored the chassis didn't modify the wheelbase to make this car something that it is not. Again, thank you for your input. This has made an otherwise nearly impossible task a bit easier. Let me know if any of you have insight into the frame question. -Rich
  4. Karl: Thanks for the valuable info. I look forward to finding out about the limo- this sedan could be a 1931 after all... BTW: Is there anything that would distinguish a model B's front (and possibly the rear) fenders from a model C? Or are they exactly the same length? -Rich
  5. Karl: The school is supposed to have ordered a Parts manual, so we are waiting for it to come in. So, just to be clear, the 1930 parts book does NOT show the cable setup? This is very interesting... Thank you for all the info so far! -Rich
  6. Karl: Thank you for your generous offer! Right now, we would be looking for a picture of the left front leaf spring shackle and casting, so that we can compare it to the sedan that we have. Also, if you measure your wheel base, what does it come out to? Our roadster must have the 3 shoe style as well, and one could deduce that the change to cable operation came with the two-shoe change... -Rich
  7. I am doing an authentication study on 2 Pierce Arrows, both of them are here at McPherson College, in the auto restoration building. One of them has no chassis tag or body tags of any kind, and no previous history is truly known. There is a registration from 1972 that I am trying to prove/disprove, but beyond that, we know that one car is an early 1930 C chassis (no kick shackle, therefore early 30), and the other may or may not be a B chassis from 1930 or 31. We are trying to find a source of information regarding the brakes on both cars- the 1930 C has rod and lever actuated brakes, and the unknown car has cable operated brakes and the left front kick shackle. Does anyone know anything about when the cable operated brakes would have appeared, and on what chassis (serial #s)??? -Rich
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