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auburnseeker,
Thank you for that advice. I didn't know that the flasher could lose just one side of operation. I will check that, and hopefully that will fix it, because getting at the switch is not easy as you say, the wheel has to be pulled.
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My 1950 Dodge Coronet D34 Sedan has the optional factory-installed (integral with the steering column, not added on) directional signal. It worked fine until yesterday; now it flashes for right-hand turns, but nothing for left. Replaced left front and left rear bulbs (1154 6 volt), and the lights work, but no flash. Usually when a bulb is out, that side will flash rapidly, but there is no flashing either front or rear left. Again, flashing OK on right front and rear. So, what should I suspect? Flasher, directional switch bad on left only, wiring problem? Any insight will be appreciated.
Thanks.
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All the literature and classic car databases I have seen concerning drive lines for the 1949-1952 Dodge Coronet (mine is a 1950 D34) say that the axle ratio on the 3-speed manual models is 3.9. That is incorrect.
All 1949 Dodges came standard equipment with Fluid Drive, which is NOT the transmission; it is a hydraulic (fluid) coupling that takes the place of the conventional flywheel. With the fluid drive, you had a choice of two transmissions: a conventional 3-speed manual that did not shift by itself, or a Gyro-Matic transmission, a so-called semi-automatic which was in reality a 4-speed manual unit that had two forward speeds, a low 2.14-to-1 gear, and direct drive 1 to 1. It also had a 1.75 reduction gear that would engage and disengage automatically with either the low gear or direct drive, depending on the position of the gear lever.
According to my D34 Coronet 1950 Owner's manual, the D34 with the standard three speed came with a 4.1 axle, and if it had the Gyromatic, it came with the 3.9. My shop manual confirms this, as it lists the 4.1 axle as standard for the 3-speed D34, with optional ratios 3.73 and 4.30. It does not list the 3.90 as being available with the 3-speed. The shop manual shows that Gyromatic came with a 3.9 on the Sedan, and a 4.1 on the wagon.
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"How do you know if oil is actually going through the bypass filter?"
Easy. After the engine is warm, feel the outside of the canister (side away from the engine block). If it is warm, oil is flowing through the canister.
I would question the 50% in 60 minutes result. If you look at the link I provided in the original post, you will see that a filtration engineer did some tests, and his results showed a much better turn than that. My own observation is that the oil flows through pretty quickly, a sad lesson I learned when I did my first filter change on my old Dodge and the gasket did not seat properly. Within about 20 seconds, I had about a 1/2 quart of oil on my garage floor.
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Thanks for the response. My car has a cigar lighter, a clock, and integral (with the steering column--not tacked on) directional signal lever. All of these were "options" on this car, so I am guessing that that is what the Accessory group consisted of, because there is no listing of those individual items on the build card. "Heater" and "Radio" are listed as individual items, so those could be ordered separately, it appears.
I have the Accessories and the Heater, but no radio, and that is how it shows on the card. I am going to guess that "1" under Transmission is the 3-speed manual, because that is what I have in the car, not the M6, which I am going to go out on a limb here and guess that was probably coded as "2." There is also a block that says "Special Order," so evidently they also had a provision for doing things to the car that were not catalogued.
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Finally got the build card and certificate from Chrysler Historical. The problem is, they can't furnish the "decoder" matrix. The only thing I know is that the color is "05," which is "LaPlata Blue." I know this because I do have a paint code matrix, but I don't have the chip showing me what kind of blue it is (light, dark?). So here are the other codes: Access Group 5, Transm 1, Stone SHLD 1, Spec Tires. Can anyone tell me what these mean?
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In 1954, you could still get a Dodge gyro-matic (the M6 so-called semi automatic transmission), same thing as the tip-toe shift. I think the last year for the M6 in the Desoto and Chrysler lines was 1953. You could also get the Plymouth Hy-Drive transmission in 1954. That was a 3-speed manual transmission with a clutch behind an engine oil fed torque converter.
A high school friend had a '54 Dodge with the gryo-matic. The car had been his father's. He told me his father liked the M-6 transmission, but he had to special order it from the dealer because there were none on lots in his area. Only 3 speed manuals and powerflites.
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There is nothing wrong with wanting to convert a 6 volt classic to 12 volts. There are many good reasons for doing so. If you want to add modern conveniences such as air conditioning or a state-of-the art sound system, 12 volts is a must. A 12 volt upgrade is the best way to increase the power output of your system, and if you need to do that, I certainly recommend a conversion.<o:p></o:p>
That said, however, if your intent is to leave the car stock without adding accessories, I vote for keeping the car 6 volts. An early ‘50’s 6-volt cruiser will not run any better if it is converted to 12 volts. If the 6 volt system is brought back to factory spec and grounds are added, it will work fine. The car will start easily and the headlights will be just as bright as a (non-halogen) 12-volt sealed beam unit. <o:p></o:p>
When I got my car, it had an undersized 6 volt battery, 4 ga. cables, corrosion-laden battery terminals, a dirty starter cable, and a reverse-wired coil. The starter turned very slowly, and the car idled roughly and missed under hard acceleration. Many would attribute these conditions to supposed “deficiencies” of the 6 volt system.<o:p></o:p>
I bought a new Group 2 780 CCA 6 volt battery (NAPA), new 1/0 ga. cables, cleaned the starter cable connections and added battery-to-body and starter motor mounting bolt-to-frame grounds. I switched the + and – coil wires (+ to distributor ground, where it belongs on a + ground car), and Voila! The starter now spins just as fast as any 12-volt car I’ve owned. My headlights are brighter my signal flasher blinks faster, my erratic idle smoothed out, and the high speed miss was gone.<o:p></o:p>
What causes many in the hobby to convert to 12 volts is the poor or non-spec condition of their car’s 6 volt system. Fix what’s wrong, add extra grounds, and you will be in fine shape. <o:p></o:p>
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I’m tired of reading on internet blogs and forums about how “ineffective” a by-pass filter system is on our old cars. I’ve even seen posts and comments from supposed knowledgeable mechanics that advise against adding back the by-pass circuit when doing rebuilds of engines that have them.<o:p></o:p>
I’ve got one of these systems on my 1950 Dodge Coronet, and all this “ineffective filter” commentary was counter-intuitive. Why did manufacturers add them? Cadillac, known for its superior engineering, used a by-pass filter on its new 1949 OV design, and did not change to full-flow filtration until 1962. Nevertheless, I wondered, “Is the filter on my car just an “appendage” that was added for marketing purposes, or does it really help to keep my oil cleaner?” After doing some research, I’ve come to the conclusion that not only is the by-pass system NOT ineffective, it actually is pretty effective, even if not as “good” as the full-flow systems that are standard issue today. Here is some good information on this Forum, from people who appear to be knowledgeable:<o:p></o:p>
An engineering friend came up with what I think is a good, non-technical common sense way to explain the effectiveness of by-pass filtering. He says to think of swimming pool filtration. That is essentially a by-pass situation, where a small portion of the pool water is drawn into the filter and then returned to the main (dirty) body of water. I’ve observed many times absolutely filthy black pool water, after having sat all winter, become crystal-clear and sparkling after 2 or3 days of by-pass filtering. I’d say that’s pretty effective filtration.<o:p></o:p>
So, IMHO, if your oil supply starts out clean and you have a by-pass filter, you will come out OK in the clean engine dept. The only time a by-pass filter may not be effective is if the oil becomes suddenly contaminated, such as if you were driving in a severe dust storm with an open-crankcase ventilation system. A full flow would get 99% of the immediate contamination on a single pass whereas a by-pass might take 30-45 minutes to remove it. A lot of damage could result in that time. But, under normal circumstances where we drive on paved roads, the chance of the immediate contamination is remote. <o:p></o:p>
I’ll stick with my by-pass filter, and I will continue to advise people who have no filters on their classic cars to add the by-pass circuit. Very easy to do, as opposed to trying to plumb a full-flow into a block not originally designed for it.<o:p></o:p>
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I am trying to sell off a few things (looking at life and where I will be in 10 years) experienced the same things. The silly low offers without seeing the car are what annoys me the most.
I think many of these potential buyers watch too much TV are all looking to buy and flip, and with internet it is much easier to send an e-mail with a low price with hopes they catch the person at the right time or wrong time. Sure is an abundance of bottom feeders. The "I have cash in pocket" line I find insulting. Do they think I am desperate?
Another factor I think there are a lot of cars showing up on the market due to an aging hobby, so the supply is saturated, I noticed this when I inherited my fathers toy collection. Just a lot of stuff on the market at once again supply and demand.
I was at a local cruise night last night, great weather and crowded but I did not notice many people under 55 years old, there is a lack of younger hobbiest looking for the entry level stuff.. I don't buy into the economy being weak, the stock markets were booming the past few years, so there is money out there. Maybe the hobby is just running it coarse like many other hobby's have and we are just starting to see the begining of the end of it. It's not going away but I think there will be a lot less people doing it in 10 years
Biscayne, I agree with your analysis. 5 years ago, almost no FOR SALE signs on cars at shows. Now, they are commonplace. Older folks (like me) realizing that working on/maintaining the old iron becomes more difficult as time marches on. I'm 67 years old and on my last old car, a 1950 Dodge Coronet. I've decided to maintain it and drive it until either it or I won't go any more. Flathead 6, 3-speed manual transmission behind a fluid drive unit (Not the M6, a real 3-speed), on the original 6 volt system (works just fine, thanks), and not one breakdown in the 8 years I've had it. Drive it about 3500 miles per year, it functions as a 3rd "back-up car" so it doesn't get babied. It will probably outlast me.
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In the early 60's a kid up the ally from my folks place had several 1955 and 1956 Buick Century htps that had come with three speed manual transmissions, and that he street raced. He eventually converted them all to floor shift. He went through a lot of transmissions and you always knew when he had blown one up because the back end of the car would be jacked up to remove the torque tube to replace the trans. The joke was that he had used up all the standard Buick transmissions in the NW. The end of Carl's street racing was the result of a transmission letting go which completely destroyed the transmission hump and put about half a dozen large dents in the roof. He survived without a scratch but it frightened him and his parents so much that was it for him and the only Buick that I ever saw campaigned on the Streets of Seattle.
Apart from the 1973 Chevvy Bel Air, the 3-speed manual column shift car that surprised me the most was a 1970 Dodge, either a Monaco or a Polara, I don't remember which. It was a 4-door sedan with a 318, power steering, power brakes, and 3-speed manual coumn shift.
Here's the story, which I got from the owner when I saw the car for the first time in late 1973: The owner always owned Oldsmobiles and always had 3-speed standards in them. It was time to trade in his 63 Olds standard shift for a new model so he went to the local Olds Dealer who told him he could not get the car that way. The literature said he could, so he went to other Dealers, but they all refused to order the car the way he wanted it. He went as far as the Zone Manager who also turned him down. In frustration, he walked into the local Dodge Dealer and said he wanted a 1970 full-size Dodge with the 3-speed manual and power steering, and he hoped that he wouldn't be given a hard time about it. Apparently the Dealer said something like, "Listen, it's going to be your car, and if that's the way you want it, we'll order it that way." The only thing the Dealer did was require a larger deposit for the car. He had the car for 12 years before it was totalled in an accident.
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Great discussion.
To Tomcarnut: your dad did not have the only 1971 full-size Chevrolet with a 3-speed stick. I had one too. It was a '71 Biscayne (entry level model) with a 250 cu in 6, 3 on the column, power steering and power brakes. I bought the car used in 1973 when I got out of the Army. It had 42,000 miles on it and I paid $975 for it from the local Chrysler-Plymouth dealer who had taken it in trade. That price included a new clutch disc and TO bearing. It was also the first car I owned with PS and PB. I believe the PS and PB came standard on the car, which is probably why Mr. DeLorean told your Dad that he had to take the car that way. To Biscayne John: The '73 Bel Air with the 6/3 speed I saw was a very nice medium/dark blue 4-door sedan. It was in beautiful condition.
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Well, first, calling the 73 Bel Air the "only" full size car available with only a manual trans is a little misleading, as the Bel Air, Impala, and Caprice are really the same car with different trim levels.
As for Oldsmobile, I can verify that a manual trans (in three-on-the-tree form) was last available in the 1971 Delta 88 with the 350 motor.
You could not get a 1973 Impala or Caprice with the three-speed (column) manual. Only the Bel Air, and only in 6-cylinder form. That is what the guy who had the '73 Bel Air told me.
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The last year for a full-size standard manual shift US car was 1973, and the car offering it was the Chevrolet (Bel Air model). Interestingly, that car was also available in six cylinders, and in fact, if you wanted the six, the only available transmission was the column-mounted three speed manual. I believe this is the only example of a 1970's US full size car that was available only with a manual transmission. What prompts this posting is that I actually recently saw a '73 Bel Air with the 3-speed/6 cylinder at a local car show. I would guess that less than 1000 of these were actually produced.
That got me to thinking: Between the years 1955 and 1973, which Big Three full-size US cars offered the manual transmission (either 3 or 4-speed), and how many have I actually seen (I was 8 years old in 1955); not photographs, but the actual car itself. Here's my tally, showing the car and the years between 1955 and 1973 that I have not seen the car in manual shift form:
Chevrolet: 1969, 1972
Pontiac: 1956,1959, 1960, 1965,1967, 1968-1973
Buick: 1955, 1957,1959-1962, 1965, 1967-1973
Olds: 1956-1973
Cadillac: 1955-1973
Ford: 1968-1970,1972,1973
Mercury: 1958, 1959, 1960, 1962-1973
Plymouth: 1968-1973
Dodge: 1955, 1956, 1958, 1966, 1969, 1971-1973
DeSoto: 1956-1961 (last year of production)
Chrysler: 1955-1960, 1964-1973
Would be interested in the experience for other Forum members.
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I’m going to go with what Rusty said. They knew the car was for Truman, and it was specially supplied. K.T. Keller and Truman were acquaintences, Keller having served in the Truman Administration during WWII. When the ex-president needed a car in 1953, he asked Keller what he recommended from the Chrysler line. Following Rusty’s idea, and based on the fact that Keller was aware of Truman’s desire to buy a Chrysler, it is more than likely that when the order was placed it got special attention and probably the order from Keller was to install the PF transmission, which surely was available in February, but not yet released to production. I’m going to guess that Truman got the first PF-equipped Chrysler delivered to a retail customer.<o:p></o:p>
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If you follow the link below, you will see the dashboard/driver's side floorboard of Truman's Chrysler. If you look carefully and expand the image, you can see that the shift indicator on the steering column shows RNDL, clearly a Powerflite indicator. The M6 cars had indicators showing RLND. Further, look at the floorboard and you will see no clutch pedal, nor is there a hole where one should be. Further, the history I have says that both Harry and Bess had to be instructed as to the operation of a fully automatic clutchless car because every car they had prievously was either a standard manual or the M6 (their 1941 Chryslers were fluid drive/vacamatic models), all having clutch pedals. This is all proof enough for me that his 1953 Chrysler had the Powerflite.
http://jalopnik.com/5791608/the-secret-of-harry-trumans-lost-1953-chrysler<o:p></o:p>
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In doing some research on early '50's Chryslers, I learned that President Harry Truman took delivery of a brand-new 1953 Chrysler New Yorker in late February 1953. I also learned through further research that this car was equipped with the Powerflite automatic. This appears to contradict what I've seen concerning when and how Powerflite was introduced to the public. Everything I have read says that the Powerflite was a late (May 1953) introduction on Imperial Models only, and then sometime after that, it began appearing on Chrysler New Yorkers. If that is true, how did Harry, who bought his '53 New Yorker from a Missouri Retail dealer, get his Powerflite-equipped car in February 1953? There is no indication that he did or said anything special when he ordered his car, or even that he was aware that the fully automatic transmission was available. The history I have says that both he and Mrs. Truman had to get special instructions on how to drive the car when they took delivery, because they only had experience with "clutch" cars up to that point.
Can anyone shed light on this?
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Would appreciate some help/advice on a leaking FD unit and a "clanking" noise that have just shown up within the last week. The car is a 1950 Dodge Coronet with the three-speed manual transmission behind the Fluid Drive coupling. The coupling is now leaking, enough so that there is a small puddle, maybe 2 teaspons on the garage floor the morning after a run the previous day. At about the same time that I noticed the leaking, I noticed a sharp "clanking" noise on deceleration. Sounds like a U-joint, but I think it:confused: is coming from the bellhousing/clutch/contact plate area, and wondering if the leaky FD has anything to do with it.
In any case, my mechanic who used to work on the car has retired, and I need to find someone who can look at this and perhaps repair the FD unit and determine what is causing the clanking. I am located about 30 miles NW of Boston, MA.
Any ideas on this condition and/or suggestions of people in my area that can help will be appreciated.
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The old girl needs new tires. I would like to replace the current Coker Wide Whites with a more "modern" narrow-stripe White, but I am having trouble finding a 215/75 x 15 narrow white Radial, like a General or Sears. I do not want to do Coker again; I find their tires to be low quality and over-priced.
Any suggestions?
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Jon or Rusty,
I have a 1950 Dodge Coronet with the fluid drive and 3-speed manual. My front fender emblems say "Gyromatic." I think the car was originally a gyromatic but at some point it was replaced with the 3-speed. I believe that for two reasons:
1. The car was heavily undercoated (I am guessing when new from the condition of the undercoat) and the Gyromatic emblem mounting stems and fender bolts are encrusted in the undercoat, hence I believe they are original to the car;
2. My rear axle ratio is 3.90 not 4.1. My shop manual indicates that the 3.90 was furnished with the Gyromatic and not available with the standard. Standard shift ratios were 3.73, 4.1, 4.3, and 4.78. The 3.90 seems to have been supplied with the Gyro only. The normal axle on the D34 with 7.10 tires is 4.1.
Now, one last question for the gurus: How is "gyromatic" pronounced? Is it "gearo-matic" or "jiro-matic (long i)?" I have tried to find the official pronunciation, but have been unable to do so.
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Question for any of the Mopar Gurus: Did they make any 1949-1952 Dodge passenger cars without the fluid coupling, that is, with the standard flywheel/3 speed manual? The reason I ask is that a local retired city Cop told me that his department had 1950-52 Dodges as patrol vehicles, and he swears that they had the 3speed without the fluid coupling. He remembers getting them as special orders through the local Dodge dealer. Interesting guy, he is 92 and a retired Deputy Chief. I have looked everywhere for some evidence that Dodge did produce such vehicles, but haven't found any.
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It's been a long time since I posted here. I'd like to offer some advice to those who convert from bias plys to radials.
My original tires were 7.10 x 15 on 5' wide rims. When I mounted 215 radials (yes, you can mount tubeless radials as long as you use fat valve stems to cover the 7/8 stem holes) on these rims, I noticed that the tires looked flat. The car also did not handle well, and felt like it would tip over going around sharp curves at anything fater than 15 MPH.
After going some research and finding that the optimal tire cross section to rim width ratio is 70%, I decided to upgrade to 6" rims. I bought a set of 1970's Mopar 15 x 6 rims that fit beautifully, and mounted the 215s on them.
This change has completely transformed the way the car rides and handles. The ride is somewhat stiffer, but that is OK. It steers much easier, tracks better, is substantially more stable and now goes around curves without feeling like it is going to tip over.
I have never seen the issue of rim width addressed when people change from the old narrow bias ties to wider radials. The 215 radial is almost 1-1/2 wider than the original 7.10, and the 5" rim is way to narrow. It may even be a safety issue. I strongly recommend that anyone changing to radials on their classic drivers seriously consider upgrading to a wider wheel for safety as well as improved handling reasons. It will also solve the large stem hole problem, as the newer wheels have the standard .413" hole.
Thanks to all who gave me adivce when I first bought the Dodge.
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Thanks to all who replied. I did the shocks last week-end, and got them off without incident. It took a lot of PB Blaster and, on the rears, some heat from a torch, but they came off. The old shocks were definitely the originals and completely useless.
What a difference in the ride. The car can now take corners at reasonable speeds without acting as if it will tip over.
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Thanks to all on this Forum who have given me advice on wheels, tires, fluid drive, carburetors, etc.
I bought 4 new replacement (gas-charged) shocks from Andy Bernbaum for my 1950 Dodge Coronet. Looking at what?s there now, and judging from the way the front end jounces, I?m pretty sure that I have the originals (car has 74K). How likely is it that these are the original shocks?
Any advice for me on changing the shocks? The last time I did it on a ?conventional? suspension car was 25 years ago on a 1978 Chevy Nova. I?m thinking I?ll put the front end on jack stands, take off the front tires, soak the nuts with PB blaster, and let sit overnight, then the old shocks should come off fairly easily. Then do the same on the rear. Any other suggestions?
Also, any opinions on spring spacers to correct height?
Appreciate any advice from the Forum
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1950 Dodge Directional Signal Not working
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Following your advice, I did the following: Check all 4 lights with the engine off (generator not charging the battery), results:
Directionals off, checking lights only: right rear, left rear, and left front bulbs light up, right front bulb does not light up. Start car, generator charging: All lights light up, same brightness.
Directionals on, engine not running (battery only): all directionals flash much faster than normal, but are very dim. Directionals on, engine running: same, but directional lights are brighter.
Additionally, my ammeter shows a constant state of charge when the vehicle is driven. The pointer should return to center after several miles, but it shows constant charge. The battery is 5.5 years old, which in my experience is a long service time for a 6-volt wet-cell battery. From the above, I am thinking that the battery is on the way out, and am wondering if this could also affect the performance of my directionals.