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  1. 1 hour ago, Tmann said:

    Electrification is going to become an increasingly important preservation option for those who street drive older cars. And less than 25 years from now, the early Teslas will have the status of full classics and design milestones. 


    I'm not yet convinced of that.  First of all, the problem with the electric car today is the same problem that has been here for 120 years - the batteries do not provide the same ability to drive the distances that gasoline cars provide.  Many Americans are not ready to give up the independence that their gasoline car provides.  In fact, I think some of the car companies may be getting ahead of the public on this with their plans to no longer produce gas cars in a few years.  I guess only time will tell.  



  2. 6 hours ago, 1912Staver said:

    I like brass era cars. But almost any I could possibly afford are too small in the front seat area. Especially the majority of touring cars I have tried to sit in. People were on average a fair bit smaller than my 6'2" height. So a speedster ends up being a practical solution. I can't afford any of the larger factory built speedsters. But a speedster conversion is in theory at least possible. People have been building them since the teens.  But they are in fact modified cars. Could even be called the street rods of the pre 1925 era. Even the majority of race cars in the brass era were in fact just stock production cars with almost everything stripped off but the radiator , hood, firewall and a simple bucket seat and fuel tank. A hot rod if there ever was one, but cars of this type seem to be AACA approved.  Where is the line drawn ?

    I also like brass cars, too.  They are my favorite antique cars.  I think what you are referring to is period correct modifications.  I  think there is a huge difference between that and putting a modern power plant into a 100+ year old car.  

  3. The article referenced Porsches and Jaguars in the title as if those "classics" would be ripe for electrification.  I know very little about either marque, but know enough that if it is not a matching numbers car, the value will  be affected dramatically.  Once you convert it, it will be very undesirable for avid collectors of those vehicles.  I think the cost will be so high (motor, batteries, etc.) that I can't imagine this would be a serious consideration for many collectors.  If you are talking about really expensive cars (which could include Porsches), I can't believe anybody in their right mind would destroy a car in this fashion.

  4. I can't imagine anyone who is a serious antique car buff would do this.  First of all, I believe the cost to convert is going to be prohibitive. In the example above, it says the work will take several months (and that equates to labor).  Secondly, most cars of any value have to have their original running gear (engine, trans., axles, etc.) or the value goes down significantly.  Think about all of the cars that are de-valued because they don't have "matching numbers".  I can't imagine someone who owns a valuable antique car would ruin it (and its value) by substituting an electric motor for its original engine and drivetrain.  Plus, for me, a big part of the experience of owning / driving an antique car is having its original equipment. 

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  5. I don't know what it is, but it does not look like the Overland engine pictured to me.  To begin with, the water manifold on the Overland mounts to a rounded surface and the unidentified cylinder is flat all across the top surface.  Secondly, the Overland has two threaded ports on top for the spark plug and priming cup, but the unidentified cylinder has three threaded ports on top.  Third, the boss for the intake and exhaust manifolds is different with the Overland having one threaded hole for the manifold clamps and the boss on the unidentified cylinder has four holes.  Just my observations.

  6. The Omaha and the Norwalk, both with underslung chassis, appear to have used the chassis design created by the American Motor Car Company (manufacturer of the American Underslung).  The first American with the underslung chassis was built in 1907.   Also, for both the Omaha and the Norwalk, the structure in front of the radiator that supports the front fenders and headlights looks very much like that used on the American Underslung.   I wonder if either Omaha or Norwalk paid American Motor Car Company for the rights to use their design?



    Norwalk Underslung.jpg



    American Underslung Traveler.jpg

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  7. On 2/27/2021 at 10:44 AM, AHa said:

    Bonhams : The F.C. Deemer, Honeymoon Roadster, ex-Dick Teague and W.K.  Haines1907 American Underslung 50hp Roadster Engine no. 1402

    This is reportedly FC Deemer with his honeymoon car, the red roadster existing today. If so, this is one of the four cars that was restored by Walter Seeley. Walter Seeley had restored two brass era Ford model Ts before tackling the four American Underslung cars. It would be interesting to learn how well the restoration of the Ts had prepared him for the restoration of these magnificent and fabulous cars. From a picture posted on the now defunct thread, three of the cars looked to be in good unrestored condition but the fourth, the honeymoon car, was burned in a fire. Walter did have some professional help with that one but it would have been a challenging restoration for anyone. The good news is these cars increased in value enough to make the restoration well worth the effort. The bad news is these cars have increased in value so much, driving them is impracticable.

    In the article Seeley wrote about the restoration of the 4 Americans (AACA magazine Sept-Oct 1980) , he said that he had restored 5 brass era cars prior to the Americans:  a Maxwell, 2 Model Ts, a Pratt-Thirty and a Studebaker.  Two of the Americans, the 1908 Roadster and 1910 Traveler, looked to be in decent condition prior to restoration.  However, he said the 1910 Traveler was the most difficult to restore because of the time (17 years) that had passed to complete all 4 cars.  The green 1908 Roadster, shown in the picture above, was used as a pattern car to restore the red 1907 which was the honeymoon car damaged in a fire.  The 1909 Traveler had been converted to a truck and was in rough shape based on the pictures in the article.

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  8. Great picture!  I think the photo is more like 1911 or 1912.  The Hudson in the picture has doors on the front which I think came in 1911.  Most cars did not have front doors in 1908.  My observation is that Mitchell had the tie rod in front of the axle at least until 1911.  The Mitchell pictured does not have this arrangement.  Just my opinion.  I'm not an expert in either marque.  Also, NY did not have state issued license plates until 1910 which the cars shown seem to have.

  9. I believe the car is a 1910 Regal Underslung.  The short runningboard, the shape of the door, cowl, hood, fenders and the hubcaps all seem to be like the ones in the photo below.  


    1910 Regal Underslung .jpg

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  10. 1 hour ago, padgett said:

    Jack Benny had a Maxwell.

    My understanding is that Jack Benny did not own a Maxwell.  I remember reading an article several years ago that Bill Harrah had purchased and restored a Maxwell to give to Jack Benny.  Shortly before presenting it to him, Harrah found out that Benny had no interest in owning a Maxwell, so the car was never presented to him.  I believe this article was in an HCCA Gazette and was written by someone who was involved.

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  11. It is definitely not an American Underslung.  The AU had the frame below the springs and axles and this car clearly has the frame above both.  I think it is an Oldsmobile based on the radiator and the unique hubcaps.

  12. I agree with you Alsancle.  I would hope in the future that the individual could be banned, but their posts / threads that are not in violation of the forum rules could remain.  The OP contributed very little information to the American Underslung thread beyond his stated appreciation for what others had posted.

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  13. 7 hours ago, Trulyvintage said:

    I always find it interesting when folks who have apparently never actually seen a car - make comments.


    I have inspected this car closely

    last October 🧐







    Trulyvintage, I believe Mr. Barlett gave some valid historical information regarding the car you inspected.  Why do you think your inspection invalidates his comments?  Factual, historical information regarding our old cars is important to the "story" and to help authenticate what we know or have heard.  The fact that he saw "before" pictures is very cool and if I owned this car I would be interested in talking to him.  Besides, I don't think turquoise was the original color for this car.

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