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  1. Dave, I'm including serial numbers for both the Chalmers Town Car, and the Town Car Landaulet, for the three years they were produced. Model Year Body Style Serial Number Range 35-D 1917 Town Car 110001---110007 35-D 1917 Town Car Landaulet 35-D 1918 Town Car 110008---111000 35-D 1918 Town Car Landaulet 35-D 1919 Town Car 110008---111000 35-D 1919 Town Car Landaulet Keep in touch. Regards, Bob
  2. Hi Dave, I'm impressed with Your Chalmers Town Car Landaulet. According to Dave Hammonds book ," Hugh Chalmers , The Man And His Car" Dave indicated that both the "Town Car", and the "Town Car Landaulet", were produced from 1917 through 1919. It would require further investigation, using your serial number to establish the exact date. With regard to your engine high temp paint match, that would require custom matching. Best of luck with your restoration, and welcome to the Club. Regards, Bob
  3. Hi Dale, Regarding your question about the color of the Chalmers engine (circa 1917). I've done some research to determine the colors to paint my 1920's Chalmers engin, and have come up with the following information. There are actually two colors, matching the engines. The head was painted in a color matching Fed. Std. 595, color number 24201. Color 24201, is a close match to Wal-Mart color "River Bank" (96273). The block color matches Fed. Std. 595, color number 24087. This color is a close match to "Peat", another title given by Martha Stewart's "everyday" color, numbered F05. I coated my chip with Krylon clear acrylic spray to match the semi gloss of my block, as Martha's color is a bit dull. I hope this helps you to paint your engine. Regarding the ignition key, it appears that "One key fits all". At least up to 1920, that is as far as I have researched to this point. Regards, Bob
  4. As I indicated back on April 28th, 2014, "As soon as I get the Phinney-Walker clock back together, and ticking, I will post photos of the completed package." Unfortunately, that almost happened. We did get the clock, back together, with the modifications previously noted. The clock performed for a period of time, and then stopped. After careful examination, it was noted that the spring barrel was not parallel to it's base, (see photo)and was in contact with it. Upon careful inspection of our second, (spare) Phinney-Walker mechanism, which Eric had located, we discovered that the Manufacturer, had an inherant design flaw with this particular type of clock. Their solution, to resolve this problem, was to remove material from the spring barrel's base, by machining. We took the same approach, and Gary, machined the base, as Phinney-Walker had done, many years ago. I'm sorry to say, the fix did not work for us, and can only speculate, the impact, for that clock model, to the Manufacturer. Gary has recently contacted a Chalmers owner, who is familiar with Phinney-Walker products, and that gentlman has referred us to an automobile clock repair person, who is supposedly knowledgable, regarding Phinney-Walker clocks. Stay tuned.
  5. Mike, Your radiator shell is for a 1923 Chalmers. For 1922, Chalmers located the crank hole in the center of the lower portion of the radiator shell. Not at bottom, as shown in your photo. Let me know if you need further proof. Bob
  6. Mike, Chalmers added that "Aluminum Piping", to the radiator shell, the last two years of production, 1922 and 1923, with minor differences. When You post your photo, I'll identify the year of Your radiator shell. Bob
  7. A number of 1922 Chalmers cars were used to carry out extensive testing with the new Chrysler engine installed. Chalmers, in design, utilized the same 117" wheel base chassis from 1918 through 1922. This made it easy to substitute items such as splash aprons, fenders, headlights, doors, and a hood, from earlier Model Chalmers 5 passenger touring spare parts, in order to disguise a vehicle. These substitutions would have satisfied the requirements described by Chrysler, who drove in one of these test cars and described it's performance in his memoirs as follows: "Under an old car's shabby hood we had hidden the unsuspected power of our new high-compression engine". Chrysler never disclosed that the car was a Chalmers. In the book, "Chrysler", the author Vincent Curcio, refers to the hard testing of the prototype Chrysler engines installed in approximately six unmarked cars, throughout the U.S. A local Maxwell mechanic, in Arkansas, recalled servicing two experimental engines, in an unidentified car, which he recognized as a Chalmers, and probably as a 1922 model, by the changes made that year, possibly including the G-G vacuum tank, mounted on the firewall. (The tank shown above, is one that mounts on my 1922 Chalmers Coach.) I will continue to search, and just maybe someday, a photo of the "modified" 1922 Chalmers Test Car just might surface. Now that I think about it, those Chalmers test cars, powered with Chrysler engines in 1922, should qualify for some long overdue recognition. The end.
  8. Above, a photo of a closeup of the partially dismantled 1922 Chalmers Test Car. Note the '22 G-G Vacuum gas tank mounted on the car's firewall. (see arrow) 1922 Chalmers Test Car Continued: Chalmers equipped all Model cars with Budd steel disc wheels for 1922, but after further research, I discovered that the Kelsey wood spoke wheels could also be obtained as optional equipment that year. The part that immediately caught my eye, in the closeup photo, was the vacuum tank mounted to the firewall. That unmistakable drum shaped Model G-G tank, was used by Chalmers in 1922, beginning with car serial number (35C) 126324. The difference was so unusual, Chalmers had to modify the 1922 Owner's Manual, that year, to reflect the change. They did this by "squeezing- in" the G-G tank between the gasoline tank photo, and the photo of the prior vacuum tank model. (see photo Fig.4 Fuel System of The Chalmers "Six-30" below). It was then, that I was convinced that the remains I was looking at, were those of a 1922 Chalmers 5-passenger touring car, that had been modified, and used to test the engine being developed for use in the 1924 Chrysler. That engine was the brainchild of Zeder, Skelton and Breer, the team of engineers who had been working with Chrysler, now at the Maxwell Chalmers plant, since June 6, of that year 1923. To be continued.
  9. 1922 Chalmers Test Cars I was recently reviewing photos of "concept cars", which the Chalmers Motor Company were proposing to build, for the year 1924. In the background, of the photo above, taken sometime in 1923, are the remains of an automobile which caught my attention. The car was in the process of being dismantled, in the back lot at the Chalmers factory in Detroit, Michigan. I focused in on the mystery car, shown below. The remains were attached to a chassis, supported by four wooden spoke wheels. The original cowl, along with the familiar Chalmers front seat remained. The only body remains were the vertical section between the front and rear doors. Both right side doors had been removed, and the tonneau section was gone. I was becoming more and more intrigued by what I was seeing. An unfamiliar radiator, and radiator shell, had been substituted up front. All four fenders, splash aprons, and both headlights had been taken away. From what I had seen up to this point, I was certain these remains were of a 1922 Chalmers, 5-passenger touring car, except for the wood spoked wheels. To be continued.
  10. Re: 1920 Chalmers Restoration, Chalmers Clock Repair "Spring Break" lasted longer than I had anticipated, interrupting clock class meetings for three weeks, thereby delaying the completion of my Chalmers/Phinney-Walker clock. As soon as I get the clock together and ticking, I will post photos of the completed package. Sorry for the delay, Bob
  11. Hi DCE, I hope someone identifies your part, as I have one which is very similar. I was told that mine is a Houck hub. I hope this helps, as I have no additional information. Regards, Bob
  12. Chalmers Clock Repair- A Team Effort, Continued. Attached is a copy of the Waltham Clock Ad, circa 1917. I will follow up with a photo of the completed clock, when I finish putting all of pieces together, and install same at my clock class next week. I wish to thank all the members of my class for their support and encouragement, which made possible the successful completion of this project.
  13. The second hand (see photo), and it's base were missing, and Gary fabricated a new hand, from the class "Goodie Box". I painted the hand white.. A new main spring had to be purchased, cut to the correct length, and modified to accept the existing barrel hook attachment. Eight* new bushings had to be replaced. When the hair spring failed, it was fortunate that we were able to replace it from a second Phinney-Walker mechanism of the same vintage, which Eric, our instructor's son located. When my 1920 Chalmers 5-passenger touring is completed, I may not have "the best automobile clock", but it will be running, thanks to the help of my classmates, and it will also say "Chalmers" on it. *Nine new bushings. Our instructor, Pat was correct. She said we needed another, when the clock stopprd running after 15 minutes.
  14. Chalmers Clock Repair- A Team Effort Ordinarily, If someone asked me the time of day, I wouldn't respond by explaining how the clock works. But now I own a Chalmers mechanical clock, that didn't work when I bought it. Now it's ticking away, thanks to the help of Gary, who is also a member of our local clock repair class. The clock was manufactured by Phinney- Walker, around 1912, based upon patent dates shown on the clock. I wasn't able to determine much information regarding Phinney-Walker, but another clock maker, Waltham, was also making clocks for Chalmers, during that period. Waltham's ad in a 1917 issue of "Motor Age", stated that "Chalmers wanted the best automobile clock!" Not having a Waltham to compare my Phinney-Walker with, I cannot comment on who was best. I can however list the parts which needed replacement on my clock.
  15. Transverse Member -Aft Body As you can see from the photo below, of the tonneau section of the 1920 Chalmers, very little of original wooden structure remained in this area, especially that of the Transverse Member. That lower member was designed to nest with, and share a common contour, with the lower portion of the vertical sheet metal aft upright, center portion of the touring body. I decided to use the sheet metal contour as the pattern for the mating wooden Transverse Member. That was the easy part. I raised the touring aft body, placed a sheet of plywood underneath, and traced a line on the fore and aft side of the part, thereby establishing the contour. I did the same thing on the left and right side of the tonneau, to establish an accurate width, and a corresponding centerline. I also used the two aft chassis hard point "tie-down" locations, to establish the correct fore-aft and inboard-outboard locations of the body, with respect to the chassis. Using the plywood template, I was able to transfer all of the data, to create an accurate, full size drawing of that portion of the tonneau area. It took a little more effort, and time, than just "connecting the dots", as I had previously envisioned. With all of this data, I will now be able to create the end sill Transverse Member, thereby compleating the sill portion of the wooden body structure of the 1920 Chalmers touring.