TG57Roadmaster

"This is how they appear in the '57 Facts Book." I only mentioned what the belts looked like in the Facts Book, not that they were "correct."

This is how they appear in the '57 Facts Book. TG

And my timeworn favorite, "Restoration started with new tires." Both Macks belong to the same collector, seen here in Charlotte at the SE Spring Meet in 2010 and 2016. TG

Great images! We got there too late for anything but the car show, but I had a blast. Mr. Bulgari has a thing for 1942 cars (and many others!) and the Roadmaster sedan was fantastic. I have loads of pics of his big Buicks on the grass, too many to post. Sweet '42 Buick Model 71 Roadmaster. 1942 Buick Model 71 Roadmaster. These layout plans give you the scope of the property...

From my Canadian 1963 "Red Book, National Used Car Market Report," which covers cars back to 1956, the earliest M-B's to appear are the 1958 models, P.O.E. prices... 180 Sedan........$3,270 180a Sedan........3,270 180D Sedan........3,475 190 Sedan..................3,545 190SL Roadster.........5,595 190SL Cpe Rdster......5,845 (convertible with hardtop) 219 Sedan.......3,785 220S Sedan.....4,500 220S Conv.......7,900 (Cabriolet) 300d Sedan............11,500 300SL Roadster.....12,500 By 1960, the prices were... 180 Sedan........$3,380 180D Sedan........3,470 190D Sedan..................3,710 190SL Coupe................5,615 (convertible w/o hardtop) 190SL Cpe Roadster....5,615 (convertible with hardtop) 220 Sedan..........4,105 220S Sedan........4,705 220SE Sedan......5,200 220SE Coupe......8,400 220SE Conv.........8,400 (Cabriolet) 300SL Cpe Rdstr......12,500 TG

The company released this small model lineup brochure in 1955. For a full-line brochure from 1959 and other '50's models, go to the Mercedes Ponton page here... http://www.mbzponton.org/valueadded/brochure/brochure.htm TG

From my trusty 1960 "Red Book, National Used Car Market Report," which covers cars back to 1953, the earliest M-B's to appear are the 1956 models, P.O.E. East Coast prices... 180 Sedan........$3,150 180D Sedan........3,428 190 Sedan..................3,298 190SL Sport Coupe...4,295 (convertible with hardtop) 190SL Convertible.....3,998 219 Sedan.......3,680 220S Sedan.....4,494 220S Conv.......7,138 (Cabriolet) 300 Sedan............7,078 300 Limo..............7,368 300S Coupe.......12,898 300S Conv..........12,898 300S Roadster...12,898 300SL Spt. Cpe....7,295 By 1960, the prices were, P.O.E. East Coast... 180 Sedan........$3,250 180D Sedan........3,527 190 Sedan.....................3,441 190D Sedan..................3,718 190SL Roadster............5,032 190SL Coupe................5,244 (convertible with hardtop) 190SL Cpe Roadster....5,428 (I can't figure out why 3 190SL versions are listed for 1960) 220 Sedan..........4,283 220S Sedan........4,583 220SE Sedan......5,018 220SE Coupe......8,091 220SE Conv.........8,091 (Cabriolet) 300 Sedan................10,070 300 Conv Sdn..........12,644 ("Adenauer" 4-door convertible sedan not listed in Red Book for 1956) 300SL Roadster.......10,950 300SL Coupe...........11,128 300SL Cpe Rdstr......11,397 Hope this helps... TG

These are grille ornaments for the '42-'48 and 49 Buicks. The subtle differences between the '47's dark red metal field and the simpler, brighter plastic of the '48 are easy to see. Also the solid chromey objects in the latter's red field, versus the '47's gold-toned trimmed in chrome. TG

Those moderns do love their Lincolns! TG

The car in question looks a highly modified '51-'52 DeSoto Diplomat, minus the grille while still possessing its white "moustache." As others have noted, it's really difficult to know as bumpers and sheet metal are often swapped and side trim may be missing. The '52 Diplomat below was taken in Havana in August, 2106, and in 6 subsequent trips I've begun to document the many Chrysler Export Division models there, primarily the DeSoto Diplomat and Dodge Kingsway versions with Plymouth bodies. I wish keiser31 had some of his Dad's material from his career at Chrysler Export, as the cars and their ultimate destinations are fascinating. TG

Curiously, after seeing Centurion's resurrected post on the Lido, just last week I picked up this obscure book published in Switzerland, the International Automobile Parade, Volume II from 1958. On a page devoted to Pinin Farina of Turin, the Buick Lido and a similar Alfa Romeo were pictured. Note the 15-inch difference in wheelbases between the two.

Matt, The pics from earlier posts got lost in forum upgrades, but the Wilkie monogram is pretty much unchanged from yours. Nice score! TG

It's noted at the beginning of this thread that we can look abroad for many coachbuilt Plymouths. If I owned any of these Plymouths, I would apply for and hope to receive Full Classic status for them, as defined by current classifications standards. 1933 Plymouth by Castagna. 1934 PE Cabriolet by Langenthal, design and construction of the patent Alexis Kellner. http://www.coachbuild.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=67595#p67595 1933 Plymouth Cabriolet by Rosch of Austria. 1934 Plymouth PE Cabriolet by Tüscher of Switzerland. http://www.coachbuild.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2152#p2152 1936 Plymouth by J.H. Jensen of Denmark. http://www.coachbuild.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=997&t=14337&p=60761&hilit=plymouth#p60761

My '57 Model 73 Roadmaster Riviera Sedan, a driver, at the Carolinas Aviation Museum with an Eastern Airlines DC-7B.

Any REO Royale is desirable, some more than others depending on the body, as previously noted. Consider this angle for the car's disposition and the family's estate. Would there be a tax benefit to donate the car to McPherson College's Auto Restoration program? https://www.mcpherson.edu/autorestoration/ Just a thought, TG

I'll do that! We get there in time for the book sale on Tuesday, I hope. Unrelated, but I picked up this nifty Frigidaire piece, made by D.L. Auld of Columbus. It's a hefty, well-made thing; imagine it being attached to an old fridge. TG

Nice Walt! So by trade only, that means no trades for rolls of quarters? Ha! Tom Gibson

In the 1940-60 Master Body Parts Book, that part # is listed as; 12.116 Moulding, Rear Door Outer Panel Bead - At Belt 4696295 (Rt) 296 (Lt) 1957- 53-73-73A-75 4697620...6 1957- 53-73-73A-75 (Clip) Excellent that you got the part numbers for it! Three listings down there's a different part number for the 56R, 75R, 76A and 76R. And there's a second set of numbers (and clip #) for the 53, 73, 73A and 75, which makes sense owing to the door ears' two-part configuration on Riviera Sedans. That second listing must be a teeny-tiny little piece of trim. TG

It's not much to go on, but can anyone tell me the make of this 1910-12 motor? I have looked at many period engines, and it is reported to have been in a Marmon dealership that might have carried multiple lines. Thanks! TG

Some of the cars have names, some don't. The '57 Roadmaster Riviera Sedan is "The Roadmistress," 'cause she's too pretty to have a masculine name. I get to live with "Miss Louise," the '60 Buick Invicta Flattop named for her fist owner, a 65 year old lady who bought the car new and learned to drive with it. TG

This '56 Mercury Custom 2drht brought me home from the hospital in 1957 and was my parents' first new car. In about 1960 the Merc' slid down icy Front Street in Marquette, MI, its front end was trashed and the car was junked. Thanks to West Peterson for colorizing the image, shown in CA with my cousin. TG

The '30 Packard Straight Twelve, as built and a sedan rendering.

The brochures depicted the Luxury Liner very dramatically...straight outta Flash Gordon! From the 1939 Dodge Luxury Liner Brochure.Artist: Aruther Radebaugh.

Back when wire photos were sent on the drum-type facsimile machines, occasionally there would be a lag that resulted in some pretty funky transmissions... And to think, I coulda had a Veeee-Eiiiggghhhttt! TG

That's hard to know Craig, without asking the owners. This '57 Fairlane 500 Town Sedan is a likely an inheritance, but I didn't ask its owner. I met a Cuban-born Delta flight attendant on my first trip who was there for a family reunion, and his grandfather had just sold his '59 Olds 98 Holiday sedan, sort of his 401K retirement plan. They need parts and get some from relatives in Latin America and the U.S., but not a steady stream, so there's opportunity there if the door remains open. Time will tell. I'll attend a local Saturday car show in February and meet the head of one of the bigger clubs, and try to find out where the pristine cars are. A friend who's a French national in the tourism industry has this mostly-original '59 Dodge Mayfair Custom, an export model; its interior is supposedly correct, an exception to the rule in Cuba. I'll get interior shots next month. TG