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  1. I talked to Temple Baldwin, the Peerless 60 Six restorer, several times late last week, and he did not seem to wish to talk at all about ANY possible ideas to find, & eventually rig, a replacement powerplant to this old ancient sawmill. As I have stated this is the mill owner's #1 concern before letting this Peerless engine go to anyone. Temple Baldwin the restorer said also said that he had a fellow "Greg Cohen", an "engine expert", that was supposed to contact me about inspecting this engine late last week for Temple. Greg in fact called me at almost 11:00 PM while I was already sleeping , and left a 15 second message that he had cellphone battery troubles & would call me the very next day when he would in fact be passing through my PA area on his way home to Washington DC from a trek to Indiana. He wanted to inspect the engine for Temple Baldwin sometime the very next day. He left me NO contact phone number & no way at all to contact him however ? I waited around the house all day & night the next day and he NEVER called me back. I just wasted my entire day & evening sitting around waiting for him to contact me ! I also later, the next day, contacted Temple who said that this fellow in fact passed through my area yesterday at 3:00 PM but "Greg" never bothered to call me back again ??? And remember~ I had NO way at all to contact him. A missed opportunity~ I then offered to take photos & measure this engine for Temple myself on Sunday to help get a positive ID on it if he supplied additional info on exactly what to measure & look for, and what exactly to photograph; ie: casting numbers, model & serial number plate series etc. Now~ I am NOT a Peerless engine expert but would do my best to help him ID the engine since he lives such a long distance away from PA in Idaho. Temple never contacted me back on Sunday yesterday with any additional info that I could use myself to help HIM ID this Peerless engine as he had stated he would in fact do. At this time, because of all of the issues above, I will now "Bow-Out" as acting middleman and let these two guys sort this all out directly themselves. I have given Temple Baldwin's contact phone numbers to the old sawmill's owner. From all of this I must assume that there is no real interest in making any deal here for this engine on the sawmill owner's terms of finding him, & setting-up, a new replacement sawmill powerplant . It would appear there IS however interest in the Peerless engine itself on the part of the restorer. But NOT providing a new powerplant as this sawmill owner had wanted all along. Also~~ No interest in any talk on the restorer's part of providing any ideas for a possible replacement powerplant. I will now let these two fellows sort this all out themselves~~~ I feel I have now done my part to try to save this historic Peerless engine~~~ The rest is entirely up to them now. I will now sit this one out on the sidelines !
  2. Lets hope this is not the case here. Perhapps the restorer/future Peerless engine buyer Temple Baldwin can get some sort of contract written up with the sawmill owner that outlines everything that must be done before he can take delivery of the Peerless engine. ? My only part in this entire saga is just to get these two guys to finally meet-up in person so THEY can sort-out any possible transaction details themselves . I really do not know the Peerless restorer Temple Baldwin at alll; and only know the sawmill owner from buying firewood from his late father & him for many years . I will however try to help in any possible way I can ? I am however also a bit worried about exactly what more modern gasoline engine will be able to do the very same job as this almost 100 year old Peerless beast ? As it stands now~ I don't have any real clue of exactly what engine will be able to run that slow with all the torque & power at such very low speeds ? What about an electric motor run through a gearbox to gear down it's output speed ? If one can in fact do this job it would be much simpler to set up in my opinion . Finding & setting-up a new powerplant for this sawmill set-up IS a real problem issue.
  3. I was just told by the noted Brass-Era auto & Peerless restorer Temple Baldwin, who is in fact working on these two Peerless restoration/recreation projects, that this Giant 13.5 Liter /850 Cu In Peerless 1912-1914 engine only has a top speed of 1200-1300 RPM max. As it is used on the sawmill now I am guessing it only runs at about half it's rated top speed. I will use a hand heald tacometer to see for sure. The real issue for Temple Baldwin is what the heck would you replace it with today in a more modern powerplant that would have enough torque to run this ancient sawmill rig at such a slow operating RPM ? I was told by the owner that it was once powered by a stationary steam engine & a boiler that burned the mill's scrap wood before the Peerless 60 Six replaced it sometime in the late 1930s . It has been powering this sawmill ever since. You can still see the mounting pad for the steam engine with holes for the old base mounting bolts. Now keep in mind that the mill owner does not like diesel engines ? This is indeed a real problem. If this rain ever clears here in Eastern Penna. this weekend, and the owner will allow me, I will take a few digital photos to post here of this entire ancient sawmill rig & this fantastic Giant Peerless engine currently powering it. Brad H.
  4. You have to remember that quality hardwood lumber is the sawmill owner's family business. It has been for generations. It is still very much a working sawmill. One of the very few left in Penna. He supplies quality hardwood, oak & maple for home builders, timberframe lumber & the hardwood scrap "slab wood' with the tree bark still on for firewood. He also sells quartered firewood. This sawmill must remain in operation. I think he owner is smart in demanding that a newer more modern powerplant be set-up by the Peerless engine buyer BEFORE he gives them this old beast. The very last thing he wants is to be left without a powerplant on this sawmill rig. He wants the Peerless 60 Six buyer to have all the headaches of re-powering this sawmill set-up in exchange for this very rare Peerless 13.5 liter 850 Cu In engine. He wants a turn key powerplant installed in place of the almost 100 year old Peerless 60 Six. I also believe he is afraid that one day this engine may just fail , or be stolen, leaving him out of business & without any family income. He also wants to see this Peerless engine saved & put to good use in a restored/reconstructed Peerless 60 Six Antique Auto. Re-powering this sawmill with a more modern gasoline engine & trans rig is really the only BiG problem issue here in my opinion. If someone really wants, & actually needs, this Peerless 60 Six for a Peerless restoration/recreation he will try to work with this sawmill owner to make him happy. It would be a Win-Win for everyone involved.
  5. Update~ Since Jeff & I posted about this very rare Peerless 60 SIX I have been contacted by six people . Four are Dealers who have no real valid need for this rare engine. Their only real interest is to buy & "Flip It" to make BiG BUCKS $$$ off this rare engine. Another is a noted & well known auto Museum who wishes to put this engine on static display. The last is a noted Brass Era auto restorer who is trying to put two additional Peerless 60 Six autos back togeher again. Several wanted to look at this engine during the upcomming AACA Hershey Meet week in October. The Sawmill & current engine owner, and I, insist that it not go to a dealer who has no real valid immediate need for such a rare engine to finish a Peerless 60 Six restoration. You must also be willing to meet the sawmill's owner demands that a new more modern gasoline, not diesel, low speed high torque powerplant be set-up by the new engine buyer; at their cost for re-powering his old sawmill rig. If you DO NOT have a real valid immediate need for this rare engine please do NOT contact us . The sawmill owner will NOT sell it to you ! You MUST PROVE you really have an immediate valid need for this rare engine. Please also keep in mind that I do NOT own this rare Peerless engine. I am simply trying to find a proper new home for this very rare & unique Peerless engine; before it becomes lost to future geneations. The sawmill owner has set HIS terms. & Keep in mind~ I wish to make NO money at all from this engine swap.
  6. It appears that there has only been one known complete original Peerless 60 Six in collector's, & Museum, hands for many decades. Jeff a here just put me in touch with a noted brass-era restorer who is now in fact building-up not one~~~ But TWO additional Peerless 60 Six autos from a very large chache of old parts. This restorer will now investigate this eastern Pa. area sawmill Peerless engine for a possible acquisition for one of these two ongoing restoration/recreation projects. Lets' hope that this very Rare 13.5 Liter/ 825 Cu In six cylinder monster of a Peerless engine/flywheel + gearbox, and radiator can be acquired & saved for one of those great Peerless 6- Six projects. This Peerless saga may indeed have a very happy ending after all !
  7. You have to remember that this sawmill rig not only runs the circular saw blade itself but actually moves, and feeds, the entire weight of the tree log into this blade back and forth. A four foot blade can also be used; if this rig is re-configured for larger diameter trees. This old Peerless engine just breezes along with little effort. Who knows what power & torque he really needs to use here ? I am not a sawmill expert by any means.
  8. Jeff~ Do you happen to have any photos of the Crawford Museum's Peerless 60 Six engine ? I'd like to compare it to the Big Peerless Six engine that I just inspected at this fellow's sawmill. I am convinced that is is indeed a Peerless 60 engine ~~~ And so is the current owner. In the distant past 50-60s several "Antique" auto collectors have indeed inspected this engine. He remembers his late father showing this powerplant to the late Mr. J. B. Van Sciver Jr. & others in the early to mid 60s . It would seem that this sawmill Peerless engine was well known to a number of Philly area collectors some time ago~~~ It is far from a new undiscovered find. But~ It seems to have fallen of the collector's radar in the last 20-30+ years or so. I suspect this is because there was never another unrestored or partial Peerless 60 Six auto found that needed this Rare engine/gearbox package ? Any photos of this engine, or the Crawford Museum's Peerless 60 Six auto itself, might also be an interesting view. With only one known extant complete original Peerless 60 Six auto ~~~ This engine might well end up as a running , or static, auto musuem display ~~~ Unless there are enough stray Peerless 60 Six auto parts floating around out there to piece another auto itself together around this powerplant & gearbox ? I really doubt that that is the case~~~ BUT~ You would know if this is in fact the case much better than I . This engine is hands down the Biggest 1913-1915 auto engine I & my late father had ever set our eyes on. It is indeed massive~ A real Beast. Brad H.
  9. Bryan~ The engine is located just about 10 miles from my Huntingdon Valley Pa home here just outside Philadelphia. I have some cellphone camera photos of this engine & sawmill set-up~~~ The owner does NOT want me to post these photos on the internet ? He was NOT happy that I wanted to take these four photos. The real problem is he needs a very high torque at a very low engine speed as his sawmill's pully ratio & belt is now set-up . The long stroke & large displacement bore of the Peerless 60 seems ideal for his set-up. The 454 Chevy, or 455 Olds, V8s make their high torque at a much higher RPM range I believe ? The old Peerless 60 engine is run at a much slower speed and makes great toeque power much like an old stationary steam engine. This sawmill rig takes up to 2 1/2 foot diameter hardwood maple & oak complete tree trunks and moves them into a 2 foot , or optional 4 foot, diameter circular saw ripping blade . If someone can find the owner a more modern gasoline engine/drive setup & help the owner install it; they can then have the old rare Peerless 60 engine! The engine now is sitting on a cut-off stub chassis frame with it's original Peerless clutch, flywheel & gearbox & original Peerless radiator. The owner & his family have been using this Peerless powered lumber sawmill for decades since the late 1930s. It is still very much in use today for quality hardwood lumber & slab & firewood.. If someone can supply this owner with a replacement more modern powerplant~~~ They can have this Peerless set-up for free ! They must prove a real serious need for this Peerless rig however. No "Speculators" , or fast buck $$$$ "Flippers " ! Any potential buyers must be vetted as to an actual need before they are allowed to see, or know the location of this rare Peerless 60 engine/driveline set-up. Sounds like it could be a Win-Win deal for everyone involved. For the "Right Person" with a real actual need for this engine to restore a Rare early Peerless 60 Automobile.
  10. Jeff~ After our great weekend conversation, just for kicks, I drove to this lumber sawmill & the giant 60 Peerless engine is indeed still sitting under a tarp hooked up to this sawmill with a wide leather drive belt. I knocked on the door of the owner's nearby house and the owner stated that he would consider selling, or a trade on this engine. The catch is he wants another replacment sawmill drive engine set-up that has equal ,or greater horsepower & low end torque in trade for this old giant Peerless 60 beast. The replacement engine/drive package should have lots of low-end torque at a very low running speeds. We would all love to see this very rare engine set-up back in the chassis of a great restored Peerless auto. What are your thoughts to finally save this giant Peerless beast ? If a proper engineless chassis cannot be found at the very least this engine & drive set-up would make a great running , or static, auto museum display piece. It is indeed a stunning Rare & massive early Peerless engine and drive system . It must be saved ! Brad H.
  11. Ivan & John ~~~ Thank's for contacting me off-forum about this Mercer. I have a fair size family collection of Brass Era, and Full Classic autos. I have a real interest in this Mercer. Please email me several digital photos of this auto. A photo, or two of the engine also greatly appreciated. Please email, or call, with the asking price of the Mercer. Best time to call is over the weekend in the evening. If you email me your phone contact number I will call you on my "dime". Any other information or photos greatly appreciated. Thank's Brad Hunter 1 215 947 4676 (Home Phone) 1 215 479 6667 (cell mobile ) silverghost1926@msn.com As you now know I do not post on this forum much anymore. I have not posted here since last Feb .
  12. Does anyone know anything about Ford & Holman~Moody race history and their race-built Ford based 289 & 302 engines ? They also built Ford 427 side-oiler reace engines. Holman~Moody supposedly had a special exclusive contract with Ford. Ford was to supply base hi-performance long-block engines to Holman~Moody who would then turn these 289 & later 302 engines into full-worked race engines for auto race teams and powerboat race teams. This is similar to the deal Ford also had with Carroll Shelby. Both Auto & Marine engines were exactly the same with the exception of the special marine equipment & water-cooled marine exhaust race manifolds. Cams etc~~~ If I can't find an original Holman~Moody engine I would like to build one with the proper period FORD engine block, heads, and performance equipment. Since I just started my quest I have little information at hand on these engines. Does anyone here know anything about Holman~Moody or their racing programs & history ? Auto or Marine ~~~ I understand almost the exact same engine was used by both auto & speedboat race teams. What autos would have used a Holman~Moody 289 or 302 ? Mustang ? Fairlane ? Has anyone ever seen a Holman~Moody Ford 289/302 ? or 427 Side-Oiler ? What are the build specs. on these engines ? Background: Two summers ago a buddy found an old Donzi hull in the tall weeds of a Sommer's Point NJ boat-yard. The yard owner wanted the boat out of his yard & threatened to cut-it-up with a chain-saw ! It had been sitting abandoned & stripped for decades . I also need to know what sort of Ford 289/302 rebuildable core engine I should be looking for. Holman~Moody also built Ford 427 side-oiler race engines. That would also be nice~~~but they seem to be made of un-obtainium and are very pricey $$$ ! The Cobra Kit-Car guys have grabbed almost every one in sight ! These were also what the original 427 Shelby Cobra used ! Any Holman ~Moody Auto & Marine Race history & 289/302 race engine history & information greatly appreciated ! They built many more Ford auto race engines than marine units. The speedboat & raceboat forums were of little help up to this point so I thought I would post a few questions here for the Forum's Ford racing fans & experts ! Any information & Help greatly appreciated ! Thank's
  13. Great Old Car Photo ! He doesn't seem to think it's a step plate~~~ He think's it's a Doggie-Seat ! You couldn't get a better photo of those pupps~~~ It's as if they knew they were modeling for the photographer !
  14. Guys: I think we are far out-numbered by the Hotrod/Streetrod folks today who watch a lot more TV & "Reality Shows" . They also enjoy watching shows like this more than we Antique car guys do ! TV is all about getting high ratings & advertizing money !
  15. I have seen old newsreels on TV of old Henry Ford, T. Edison, H. Firestone, and their friends camping out of their cars in the early automobile years. It was said they did this quite often !
  16. As others have stated~~~ This looks like it was made-up just for weddings etc. Do a web-search for custom-built limos~~~ I'll bet some limo conversion outfit is making these up today new~~~ for re-sale ! There must be a market for these by limo rental COs Everyone these days seems to want an old car for a wedding !
  17. Friartuck: I saw basically two types of "Vent Free" Gas heaters built by Confort Glow ~~~at Home Depot. The Blue Flame forced convection style, which I bought that heats the air in the room itself~~~ AND~~~ A similar looking Radiant Infrared"Vent Free" gas heater which only heats objects & people directly in front of them~~~ The objects then slowly heat the surrounding air. Which type do you have in you basement shop ? A 50% loss in BTU output from the amount of gas energy going in does not sound very good at all !
  18. I know of several closed sedan "winter bodies" sitting on big heavy saw-horses in the general Philadelphia area. These Classics still also exist today in their "Summer"touring form. In the Philadelphia area, and other colder climates it was not unusual to have two bodies for the same high priced chassis. Derham Body in Rosemont Pa ,as well as Brewster in NY , and I'm sure other coachbuilders would swap these bodies each spring & fall for their wealthy customers. Brewster used to store these seasonal bodies on their building's top floors. They had an auto turntable up there too! Derham also had a special building for this seasonal body storage that burned-down in the late 1950s. I remember the building & the fire ! Often while in winter storage the body would get a fresh coat of "varnsh" or laquer . I suspect there are still a few of these closed sedan & towncar bodies still sitting in hiding somewhere ! ? There is an original Duesenberg Model "J" Murphy Clearvision sedan currently for sale in Washington State. It is one of the very few closed sedan Model "J"s still in original coach form ! It was once owned new by Harold Pitcairn a very wealthy Pennsylvania industialist who started & owned Pittsburg Plate Glass & Pittsburg Paints , as well as Philadelphia trolly trnsportation lines. He & his Father started American Air Lines and the first early eastern US Air Mail routes. A K Miller, the famous Stutz hoarder once flew a Pitcairn autogyro air mail aircraft for them ! A K Miller had two Pitcairn autogyros stashed away~~~ One was the famous Miss Champion Spark-Plug. The other auto gyro he actually flew himself to Washington DC & donated it to the forerunner of the Smithsonan National Air & Space Museum ! The gigantic Pitcairn mansions are still in my neighborhood in Bryn Athen PA.
  19. No Jim~~~ Everything is sticking fine to the Steel & fiberglass. No problems on that side. BUT~~~ I have found nothing to date that will stick to the silicone rubber ! There must be a specialized adhesive that works with this type of rubber as the remains of the original rubber was firmly afixed with a black colored adheive.
  20. I was up late last night watching an American Pickers Episode called "Keep Out" on Comcast Cable On-Demand and the Picker Guys buy two old Neon Ford Dealer two -sided signs with broken-up neon tubes~~~~ Price~~~$4500. They start down the road in Tenn. and Mike says he would like to try to "get rid of it" before they go home. And the next thing you see is them pulling into the Coker Tire Co parking lot while talking about their "old friend who likes signs & advertiizing~~~Corky." ! Corky Coker soon appears, full of life & fun~~~as is his usual way ! He asks them what are you two guys doing picking in my area ? They show Corky the signs in the truck~~~ They then begin to bargin for the two Ford dealer neon signs~~~ Corky goes crazy for the signs~~~ The price haggling begins~~~ Corky wants to pay $6000.~~~ Finally the Picker guys & Corky settle on $6500. for the two signs which he says he will have restored and placed at his home office for everyone to see & enjoy ! He then tells them to call ahead next time before they stop by again and he will go find a fresh road kill possum for a nice Tenn. BBQ lunch ! Now I have seen & heard everything ! You Hershey AACA Head office guys who know Corky very well will have to ask him how he ever got to appear on the American Pickers show & if it was true "Reality" or really a rehersed and set-up appearance ! & Was he really friends with the Picker Guys before this show ? No mention was make of Coker Tire Co. Corky's famous vintage tire business on the show~~~ BUT~~~ Corky did have a denim shirt with the Coker Tire Co logo on it. You also briefly see the Coker sign on the building's brick wall in one shot.
  21. Quite a"Beast" indeed ! I have already offered to have the car brought over to my home garage/shop so I can put her on my low-rise 30" Rotary lift . I would go through the engine~~~ Drop the oil pan~~~ Clean out any old oil sludge, Oil Pick_up Clean the oil passages~~~ Pull the main & rod bearing caps one-by-one and plasti-gauge them while I have the bottom-end open etc. Check-out valve gear~~~ Check-out twin ignition systems~~~replace condensors ~~~ Clean & gap points , clean distributor contacts. Clean Fuel system, gas tank, carb Clean & rebuild~~~ Check-out fuel system pressure pumps etc. Check-out brakes~~~ Clean-up brake drums~~~ Check & repair brake system as needed etc~~~ Mount new tires & tubes~~~ Check Charging system & polarize generator, new battery etc~~~ Chainge Gearbox & rear lube Lube Chassis , etc ! Do a compression & leak-down check after It's Up & Running. Check coolng system, hoses, pump packing, check for any leaks etc. In short~~~Put her in running shape~~~ Might take a month or two~~~or Three to do this~~~ But~~~ Hopefully~~~Without finding any real problems the car should be roadworthy in the early Spring ~~~~ I would do all of this for FREE~~~ He would only have to pay for needed parts, battery , tires & tubes, oil & gear lube etc ! We (My late Father & I) have done this a couple of dozen times over the years on other Antiques & Classics that had been sleeping for years ! Now all I have to do is twist his arm into having me do all of this ! I need a project anyway to try and get over the grief of loosing my Father ! I have been deeply depressed since he passed-away~~~ It might help take my mind off of things~~~ And My buddy the Dr. would be able to help me do this in my home garage if he wishes to do so ! He lives just 5 min. away ! I think this would be a good deal for BOTH of us at this point ! He would at least know Finally what he has here~~~ It might also help him decide which way to go on a possible future restoration~~~ If I owned this Series 36~~~ It would be a Driver-Survivor! I am not a Pierce~Arrow expert by ANY means~~~ But as a good Mechanic & Mechanical Engineer I know I should be able to safely do all of this~~~ Without doing ANY harm to this great touring car. I also have all you Pierce~Arrow guys to fall-back on if I get into any stickey trouble issues~~~ What do all my Fellow Forum Member Friends think about this Idea ? I appreciate your Opinions & Ideas !
  22. I just bought a 20,000 BTU "Vent Free" Natural Gas "Blue Flame" Comfort Glow wall heater with an internal electric blower on close-out From Home Depot today. 75 % Off ! I have a two-car garage/shop at home which is under & inside my home. 2 +1/2 walls & an old wooden roll-up double garage door are un-insulated and exposed to the outside cold. The forth wall is located next to my familyroom/den. I had been using a 220Volt 20,000 BTU Dayton electric heater any time I wanted to work on a car in the garage. I do not run the heater all the time ! The extra electric cost of using this electric heater has gone through the roof~~~This is why I bought this new Natual Gas Vent Free heater. I already have a 3/4" natural gas supply line going through the garge to feed a gas-log in my family-room gas fireplace. It should be a very easy gas & electric hook-up ! I am a bit concerned about using any "Vent Free" Natural Gas heater for two reasons~~~ First~~~ It is a garage with cars, snowblower, mower etc in it. This Vent Free heater has a ribbon of blue gas flames behind a tempered glass front . The heater is NOT sealed. My concern here is from the possible explosive gasoline fumes that may be lurking in the garage~~~ Would it be safe to use such a natural gas wall heater in a home garage/shop ? This heater is said to be UL & UGI /AGA approved with a low oxygen sensor that shuts it off automatically for safety ! The pilot does not have to stay lit as it has a built in ignitor & self-contained thermostat ! Second~~~ The 20,000 BTU Natural Gas heater has NO outside venting. It is called ?Vent Free" What about any possible Carbon Monoxide fumes ? I never had a Natural Gas heater with no outside stack vent ! The exhaust fumes go directly intio the heating space ! Is there any risk of this ? I can buy a cheap CO detector to install in this garge for safety . Has anyone here ever used such a Vent Free Natural Gas heater before in their home or garage ? Any opinions ? Would YOU use it ? Is it safe ?
  23. I have always wanted to own a special roadster ~~~ The famous hidden Butcher's car comes to mind . To me it has one of the most artistic flowing body designs to come from Mercedes of all time ! A true German work of art . Was not much of the steel rusted thin in spots~~~So much so that it qute a bit had to be re-created ? There was also a copy of this body re-created in the 90s~~~ I have a body panel beating & forming book written by one of the guys who re-created this copy. There are several great photos of the finished , and yet to be painted body in this book ! Does anyone know where this copy went ? Supposedly a member of the Krupp family also owned a similar roadster when new ? Lets not forget some of the great deigns built for the German high government officials in the 30s ! Despite their past checkered Nazi ownership history you still must say that they are great auto designs ! The special roadster is on my top ten wish list ! Perhapps some day~~~~?
  24. Your State will most likely be of lttle help as most State DMV's refuse to give out that sort of information anymore. Many states now claim to have thrown-away records much older than ten years or so ! It was a much easier job to trace a car's ownership before the newer privacy laws ! Good Luck in your search !