John_Mereness

Don't look for the market to fall too much on ACD products - and there are already plenty of newbie's in our club and it is absolutely fantastic (we have incredibly active and age diverse membership). Also, the cars rarely change hands outside of the Club as not too hard to raise your hand and get top dollar. Interestingly, there are not too many cars put in our club newsletter or website either - it tends to be a knowing people thing and asking around. That said, I assume the current state of the market will drive out into the open some optimistic projects and .... This 1932 was advertised on the Club website, was endoreed by poster, and sounds to be a good car (it popped up on eBay this week too). It's drawbacks appear to be wooden wheels with rear mount spare and no rumbleseat https://www.ebay.com/itm/1932-Auburn/184369347345

Let me see, I needed X part for the Auburn and had 3 of which none were what I wanted in quality, then bought 2 x more for an arm and a leg of which both are just so-so (they came up in same do, so bough both as could not take the chance of ...), and then a 3rd one shows up for pennies (of which I know own that too), plus when the one came up I had to buy a bunch of other stuff of their to get them out of the parts business post sale of their car to get it. And, then there is that part out for a crack weld (nonstructural in the sence that any quality repair will be fine) and then the saga of .... Then, today there was a note of a friend who says he spent 50K on his car in the last three months and cannot figure out what he spent it on (well, I know 1/5 of it, but as to the rest, the car was pretty close to done prior so ....). Yesterday, I had a friends water pump in my hand for their Master Buick (1925) and have no clue how they made the shaft in the first place - he has been working on that project for 15 years now and now also owns pump after pump, but all have same issue (my solution which I said 100 times over was just weld it up and maybe it will last a couple 1000 miles, but otherwise it is a complicated casting and machining processes of which he cannot afford, but if he had done it 15 years ago he would have a running car and had not spent decent money on the other bad pumps). Plus, once he has it out and running people will be more willing to help him. And, then there is another 40 Lincoln Continental Convertible that needs to go away and will have an earful of people wanting to pay 50 cents on the dollar matched to a really ugly base model X that is 100 point, but probably should have never been restored to begin with as it is an ugly base model X. Moral of the Story - Ed, I hear you loud and clear.

That is all I know of - there are some wreck photos of Frank Lloyd Wright's L-29 Phaeton but will leave that to someone else (as mentioned - just depressing photos).

It is not uncommon that coupes were converted to convertibles via some rusted out convertible donor car, but the clue probably is to look for the heavier beefing of the X frame and then to make sure you have matching numbers to data plate, plate states it is a convertible by numbers, proper frame number, detective work via looking at welding and construction, quality of work such as welding, and .... - comments above state more photos needed and the answer is YES. And, often someone buys something and takes the few needed parts they want and puts it back on marketplace (aka someone needed some top parts to finish their project) or the chrome plater looses them, or they get broken and never picked up from machinist/welder, someone cannot finishes their project and/or looses parts, or .... Perhaps you can get a build sheet through the General Motors Archives. And, there are probably some serial number decoders out on internet for Buick matched to a lot of really knowledgeable people.

Some of the photos are glass plate negatives too and digitized in ways that allow you to enlarge and see what color a bolt is or ... (so I suspect they could help someone with a restoration via little details). Yesterday, I for example was looking at what a non-accident photo and for fun of it enlarged the tire valve stem cap for an L-29 Cord.

Juro Rokumoto, who was out riding with his family in this Ford, was killed when their auto collided with a Stutz Coupe, driven by Lois Pantages, on Sunset Boulevard at Serrano Avenue in Hollywood. A doll belonging to one of the Rokunoto children is seen lower left. Photograph dated October 3, 1929. Order Number 00067037 Title Evidence of Pantages accident Collection ID Herald Examiner Collection Location/Accession HE box 1596 Date 1929 Physical Description 1 photograph :b&w Notes Photograph was edited for publication purposes. Description The prosecution will introduce this photo of Mrs. Lois Pantages' expensive Stutz Coupe, which is being held at the police department garage. Its front end was crushed after collided with a car belonging to anowner with the last name of Rokumoto. The state alleges Mrs. Pantages was driving while intoxicated at the time of the crash. Photograph dated September 4, 1929. Subject Rokumoto, Juro--Death and burial. Pantages, Lois--Trials, litigation, etc. Stutz automobile. Automobiles--California--Los Angeles. Trials (Murder)--California--Los Angeles. Traffic accidents--California--Los Angeles. Herald-Examiner Collection photographs. Format Photographic prints Reproduction Information Images available for reproduction and use. Please see the Ordering & Use page at http://tessa.lapl.org/OrderingUse.html for additional information. Sub-Collection Name Los Angeles Herald Examiner Photo Collection

This is a fairly famous photo being from book Olympian Cars - Stutz Monte Carlo - Weymann Title Wrecked Stutz - H. S. Krutzen, owner and assured, Southern California, 1935 Description 2 photographs of wrecked automobile, Southern California, 1935. "Subject: Wrecked Stutz - H. S. Krutzen, owner and assured; Agency: Bill to Fogel andBeman, c/o F. E. Jordan, 1211 Pac[ific] National B[ui]ld[in]g; Client: Harry Parker, Mr. Jordan; Original Print Order: 1 ea[ch], 3 of #1; Size: 8x10; Finish:gl[ossy]; Job: 2-11-60; Year: 1935" -- on envelope front. "Operator's Report Name: Dean; Original Photographs-Size: 2- 8x10 int[erior]; Amount: 5.00" -- onenvelope back. Subject (lcsh) Automobiles Subject (Corporate Name) Stutz Subject (Personal Name) Parker, Harry Jordan Krutzen, H. S. Dean Geographic Subject (State) California Geographic Subject (Country) USA Geographic Subject (Region) California, Southern Coverage date 1935 Photographer Dick Whittington Studio Publisher (of the Digital Version) University of Southern California. Libraries

I bet this was an interesting LA based Accident - Mercedes Sedan hits a a Packard or Visa Versa Title Mercedes sedan, Packard roadster, F.H. Hinst vs. Bertram Millhauser, Southern California, 1934 Creator Dick Whittington Studio Date Created and/or Issued 1934 Publication Information University of Southern California. Libraries Contributing Institution University of Southern California Digital Library Collection "Dick" Whittington Photography Collection, 1924-1987 Rights Information Contact: Special Collections, Doheny Memorial Library, Libraries, University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089-0189; specol@usc.edu Doheny Memorial Library, Los Angeles, CA 90089-0189 For uses other than private, contact USC Libraries Special Collections at the e-mail given USC Libraries Special Collections specol@usc.edu Description 3 photographs of two wrecked automobiles, Southern California, 1934. "Subject: Mercedes Sedan, Packard R[oa]dster, F.H. Hinst Vs. Bertram Millhauser Client: Aetna Ins[urance] Co., MacWilliams Original Print Order: 2 ea[ch] Size: 8x10 Finish: gl[ossy] Year: 1934 Job: 7-19-62" -- on envelope front. "Operator's Report Name: Joe 3 Original Photographs-- Size: 8x10 two locations Amount: 10.00" -- on envelope back.

Title Auburn sedan, Joseph Henyan, owner, Southern California, 1931 Creator Dick Whittington Studio Date Created and/or Issued 1931 Publication Information University of Southern California. Libraries Contributing Institution University of Southern California Digital Library Collection "Dick" Whittington Photography Collection, 1924-1987 Description 3 photographs of wrecked Auburn sedan, Southern California, 1931. "Subject: Auburn sedan, Jos[eph] Henyan, owner Client: Commercial Casualty Co., R.J. Lapic Original print order: 1 ea[ch] Size: 8x10 Finish: glossy Re-order 1 ea[ch] Finish: gl[ossy] Year: 1931 Job: 6-23-130" -- on envelope front. "Extra charges: R.J. Lapic Ounces of flash powder: 2 at 85, 1.70 Original photographs-Size: 3 - 8x10, In City, 3.00 Operator's report (Name): Frank" -- on envelope back. Format 3 photographs: b&w, negative, 5x7 in. in envelope B/W Nitrate 5x7 in. photographs negatives

Title Wrecked Auburn, Southern California, 1933 Creator Dick Whittington Studio Date Created and/or Issued 1933 Publication Information University of Southern California. Libraries Contributing Institution University of Southern California Digital Library Collection "Dick" Whittington Photography Collection, 1924-1987 Description Photograph of wrecked automobile, Southern California, 1933. "Subject: Wrecked Auburn Client: Cha[rle]s Heisler, 1308 Commercial Ex. b[ui]ld[in]g Original Print Order: 2 Size: 8x10 Finish: gl[ossy] Year: 1933 Job: 2-14-58" -- on envelope front. "Operator's Report Name: Joe 1-- 8x10 Amount: 3.00 Extra Charges: Southwest Auto w[or]ks" -- on envelope back. Format 1 photograph: b&w, negatives, 5x7 in. in envelope B/W Nitrate 5x7 in. photographs negatives

Title Auburn, Bill Hatter, Buick, Paul Wilson, Southern California, 1932 Creator Dick Whittington Studio Date Created and/or Issued 1932 Publication Information University of Southern California. Libraries Contributing Institution University of Southern California Digital Library Collection "Dick" Whittington Photography Collection, 1924-1987 Description 5 photographs of two damaged cars, Southern California, 1932. "Subject: Auburn, Bill Hatter, Buick, Paul Wilson Client: Union Indemnity, Holscher Original Print Order: 3 ea[ch] Size: 8x10 Finish: gl[ossy] Job: 1-4-10 Year: 1932" -- on envelope front. " Operator's Report (Names): Frank Original Photographs-Size: 5-8x10 interior Amount: 10.00" -- on envelope back. Format 5 photographs: b&w, negative, 5x7 in. in envelope B/W Nitrate 5x7 in. photographs negatives

Title Auburn sedan, Joe A. McLoud, assured, Southern California, 1934 Creator Dick Whittington Studio Date Created and/or Issued 1934 Publication Information University of Southern California. Libraries Contributing Institution University of Southern California Digital Library Collection "Dick" Whittington Photography Collection, 1924-1987 Description 2 photographs of wrecked automobile, Southern California, 1934. "Subject: Auburn sedan, Joe A. McLoud, assured Client: Aetna Ins[urance] Co[mpany], McWilliams Original Print Order: 2 ea[ch] Size: 8x10 Finish: gl[ossy] Year: 1934 Job: 7-25-87" -- on envelope front. "Operator's Report Name: Henry 2 Original Photographs- Size: 8x10 Amount: 5.00" -- on envelope back. Format 2 photographs: b&w, negative, 5x7 in. in envelope B/W Nitrate 5x7 in. photographs negatives

This Auburn was taken to the dealership - all the background cars are Auburn's too. Title Auburn sedan, Getchel & Son Incorporated owners, Southern California, 1934 Creator Dick Whittington Studio Date Created and/or Issued 1934 Publication Information University of Southern California. Libraries Description 3 photographs of wrecked Auburn sedan in garage, Southern California, 1934. "Subject: Auburn sedan, Getchel & Son Inc[orporated] owners Client: Loyalty Group, Mr. Lapie Original Print Order: 2 ea[ch] Size: 8x10 Finish: gl[ossy] Year: 1934 Job: 12-29-150" -- on envelope front. "Name: Dean 3 Original Photographs - Size: 8x10 In City: 7.00" -- on envelope back. Format 3 photographs: b&w, negative, 5x7 in. in envelope B/W Nitrate 5x7 in. photographs negatives

I usually stay of of the wreck photos as it did not take much for someone to die, but ... Description 4 photographs of wrecked Auburn automobile, Southern California, 1934. "Subject: Auburn, File #513840; Client: Universal Auto Ins[urance], Mr. Ritter;Original Print Order: 2 ea[ch]; Size: 8x10; Finish: gl[ossy]; Job: 04-25-160; Job 1934" -- on envelope front. Operator's Report Name: Dean; 4 OriginalPhotographs--Size: 8x10; Amount: 9.00" -- on envelope back. Subject (Corporate Name) Auburn Automobile; Universal Auto Insurance Photographer Dick Whittington Studio Publisher (of the Digital Version) University of Southern California. Libraries Date created 1934 Format B/W Nitrate; 5x7 in. Format (aacr2) 4 photographs: b&w, negative, 5x7 in. in envelope

Notice there is an Auburn Phaeton behind the wrecked Cord Phaeton

That would be a shame for this Coupe to bite the dust, but that is also what it may come down to. If you get something that looks like a parts car as a parts car for the plaidside that is close to a parts car, then you will still be short the quality parts you need to turn out an exceptional end product. For Example: is a Packard 12 sedan bumming around on ebay and it is what is needed to get a few pieces of rare diecast, a great steering wheel, great instruments, and ... for a convertible - AND IT IS REALLY NOT THAT BAD OF A CAR IT JUST HAS ALL THE WRONG ECONOMICS ASSOCIATED WITH IT, but anything even slightly worse and it would be a serious waste of .... Basically, you will need a pretty nice car to get a finished product to be even remotely cost effective. eBay item number: 274420205993

Brian Charles I was hoping I could get some help identifying this car in the photos below. The photos are of New England landscape artist Robert Strong Woodward sometime in the 1920s. Brian Charles Curator for the Woodward Estate Replies: Studebaker Light 6 1921-23 Circa 1922 Studebaker EJ Light Six roadster. 1923 or 1924 Studebaker Model EM Light Six Three Passenger Roadster. There is no way to distinguish between those two years with the photos you have though. The reason it is not a 1922 (or earlier) is that the cowl lamps are set into the windshield frame

I will have to leave that to a Duesenberg expert.

There really is no substitute for the original photos - the detail is usually phenomenal (hopefully this brings some attention to how significant they are and hopefully someone steps up to the plate). Sidenote: I think the wheels on the L-29 Phaeton were for sale on ebay within the past few years - hopefully that car survives.

1935 Model J Duesenberg 2559, Union City-LaGrande Dual Cowl Sweep Panel Phaeton Engine No.: J-532