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2 minutes ago, Grimy said:
I never worry about such things, John. 🙂 The suitability of colors is largely subjective except that many of us scorn the Circus Wagon School of Restoration during the 1970s. I certainly agree with your comments as to maroon, especially on invariably unsuccessful attempts to replicate the original Oxblood Maroon (a magnificent brownish color, IMHO) on 1938-39 Cadillacs, including the "iridescent" version on 1940 cars.
There is a 60's fleshy tan color fad that does little for me too.
Yes, the Cadillac maroon color is attractive.
And, periodically something really different shows up and knocks the ball out ot the ballpark.
As a sidenote: A friend has a white 35 Auburn Phaeton (white is a factory color). The car has a very nice restoration and has failed in ever reaching any decent potential in sale
There is a 60's fleshy tan color fad that does little for me too.
Yes, the cadillac color is attractive.
And, periodically something really different shows up and knocks the ball out ot the ballpark.
As a sidenote: A friend has a white 35 Auburn 851 Phaeton. The car has an exceptionall nice restoration and yet has failed in ever reaching any decent potential in sale price - that said though he ended up with a fabulous car condition wise, his wife and family love it, it is the only car they have his wife will drive, and he gets to do whatever he wants as it sits in their garage as a loved family member.
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On 11/23/2022 at 8:46 PM, 1937hd45 said:
I like the Packard, color too. I bet it looks fantastic with the hood closed, open hoods are a 1970's thing.
Bob
Probably Concours events should have "open your hoods" from like 1:00 to 2:00 as people do enjoy engines too.
When I run the Haggerty Youth Judging teams we fire up some of the things the kid love that you will not see driving across the podium to win awards (draws huge crowds when we do).
I would also like to give bonus points for really well though out period clothing (seems to be quite a thing for Goodwood Revival).
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11 minutes ago, Grimy said:
I suspect I am being trolled here, but I'll bite anyway. For the record, I had no part in suggesting the gray/tan color (or any other color) on the 1937 Packard 12 coupe, although I did suggest blackwall tires which were used--and I am personally gratified that the color selected was neither black nor Packard Blue (although I do appreciate that blue on a sedan or limo) because far too many other restorations have used those colors.
As to build sheets, I speak Pierce-Arrow, not Packard, and all the Pierce build sheets went into the furnace in 1938.
Do not worry, I tend to be diplomatic and yet far from it on various topics (one being paint color choice of 20's and 30's cars) - I personally like the Blue and I especially like the maroon, though having seen a few of the maroon cars via unrestored, I see the maroon as a brownish maroon and yet when I see a restored example it lacks the brownish quality (albeit the maroons are unstable so the brownish may be due to sunlight, care, and age).
I THINK THEY PULLED OFF THE GOAL ON THE V-12 COUPE, but only because it has a fabulous restoration and the whole thing is well thought out (99% of people trying to recreate will not have the same success and will be crying at time of resale).
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On 11/12/2022 at 7:48 AM, alsancle said:
I have a nice new chromed plain cap for my car. The problem is that if I take the knight off, there’s three different guys telling me I have to give it to them. And I don’t know which one to give it to.
Leave the Mascot on the car - you are now an official ambassador of Stearns Knight and it requires an ornament to keep the flame going - sorry, just the way these things work.
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On 11/27/2022 at 7:44 PM, edinmass said:
Although my Grandparents thought he walked on water, I must admit I wasn’t too big a fan. He would have this on him in both photos…..to cover his leg braces. I have close up of it on him at his inauguration, along with a bunch of other stuff.The robe was made in Philadelphia.
Find Jane Hess the daughter of Frank Hess and have a very long conversation
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On 11/24/2022 at 11:03 AM, edinmass said:
Here is a view driving off the field for “Most Elegant Open Car”, 2019. A great day if you love cars.
Restored per its build sheet - quite striking !!!
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On 11/26/2022 at 9:07 PM, alsancle said:
Notice "no sidemounted spares"
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On 11/24/2022 at 8:44 AM, edinmass said:
Here is a good photo. A exceptionally nice Murphy Roadster on the field in 2022. A world class car by anyones definition. The BOS car is next to it. This 100 point Murphy didn’t even place in the class. That’s what we call deep water. The car is owned by good friends. I hadn’t been seen in like 25 years, so it was reasonably fresh with lots of current upgrades so it presented as a “new restoration”. And you get a thank you for bring your car. That is how Pebble works. Notice the judges. Ten minutes after this photo, I helped out a friend with his 29 Packard no start on the field. He had shut off his vacuum tank and forgot. Nerves cost him a trophy. You must be on top of your game, or you lose…….
I arranged for this Duesenberg to get a new interior prior to Pebble Beach (no easy task via timing) and everyone at Straight-Eight was well engaged too - I did not see it get onto trailer from upholster, but my upholster already does 100 point cars and I thought was going to slap me silly when I was telling him how I wanted the car done.
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On 11/27/2022 at 1:26 AM, 1935Packard said:
AJ, I told Jeff how impressed you were, and he was very flattered. He's a great guy, I'll be sure to introduce you to him.
That color tan/beige Jeff used for his '37 was the original color on my '35 1207. Some day I'll get it back to that color, with the same dark brown leather as it originally had. I think it was bedford tan/bronson beige (I bought a paint chip sheet and matched the color to my door jambs where you can see the original paint).
My great aunt had a 1935 12 Coupe Roadster in what I would describe as an ocean blue - sort of a darker bluish turquoise (not a greenish) with a gold metallic flake that was in pearled finish. It also had chrome wheel hubs and spokes with painted rolled rims. The pinstripe was white. The car made it into the 90's with basically unrestored with the bumpers and hubcaps rechromed, a 60's top , and a 70's leather interior - then the next owner went resale red.
Ed Minni had a Pierce Arrow in pretty much the same color (with a silver metalic and very shiny finish) - Ed called it "The Color of Winning" - The prior owner of the PA went to high school with my uncle (who eventually owned the Packard).
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On 11/23/2022 at 7:57 PM, Grimy said:
John, I'm partially colorblind so I'll refrain from commenting on colors other than the gold-leafed Cads and Pierces 🙂
I must correct my earlier remark that this was Jeff's first ground-up restoration--just before this one he did a ground-up on a Shelby Mustang. I didn't think of that at the time because it was "modern" and therefore not in my own wheelhouse.
Hate to also say it, but V-12 Packard while very neat cars are sorta dime a dozen in their yet rare way via plenty of survivors of most all years and you really do have to think out the colors (often to something others have not done before in their restorations) or you get lost in the crowd. I also believe that if you have photos of your car new or a build sheet then you should follow that - even if you would not personally make that choice. And a little off topic - I also believe original data plates should be ignored as to their condition.
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On 11/23/2022 at 7:47 PM, Grimy said:
Jeff says that's an authentic 1937 Packard Senior color whose specific name I don't recall but which includes the word gray.
Then, bad shade of Gray too. Will say interesting and I enjoy seeing the car, but "thank god it has an incredible restoration" as that redeems this Packard - for any other car though = "good luck to you".
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On 11/20/2022 at 6:57 AM, prewarnut said:
...I think this is the style Ed is talking about, from Hemmings. This incidentally sold for $91K, similar to Matt's. I think wood in the subject vehicle may be non-existant but man it is hard to see these waste away but I agree with Rivguy, only so much time on the planet so we have to pick and choose.
This Lincoln came out of an estate I handled and went to a local/Cincinanti Lincoln dealer for past 20 years - this car has been in this exact condition since it was nearly new (it is largely an original / unrestored car with minor upgrading)
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On 11/16/2022 at 8:56 AM, alsancle said:
40 years ago that car would find a home and eventually make it back on the road. These days I’m not so sure of that. But it is a pretty neat car.
Was texting with a friend - they said their recent purchases came from old timers via estates or going into nursing facilities and interestingly I have the opposite - the cars have come from younger people who found out the hard way about the finances and time involved.
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On 11/16/2022 at 8:56 AM, alsancle said:
40 years ago that car would find a home and eventually make it back on the road. These days I’m not so sure of that. But it is a pretty neat car.
That is the problem - even if you were the most skilled in restoration you will still have at least double what it would cost (if not triple or quadruple) cost to buy a nice restored one and/or combo restored/original one (which you could upgrade and still come out better).
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10 hours ago, alsancle said:
I found the Packard I was thinking of. I wanted to shake this guys hand but he was always busy. Regular guy, home restoration with a great result.
Not much can turn around "stay around brown" and in this case it is only attractive as it has a fantastic restoration.
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Just depends on the car and keep in mind that whitewalls rarely look good on chrome plated wire wheels, that said though you have to understand the mentality - a whitewall is a my dog is better than your dog, a round of golf and dinner at the Country Club, a new pair of designer shoes, and ....
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Cars look more formal with sidemounts - they look more "modern: without sidemounts.
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Nice car with a fairly realistic price albit perhaps a touch high gien needing a top, fuel tank redone, and a lot of small cosmetic this and thats) - and even in 1965 an AACA First was a scarce item with very few awarded (took a great condition car then to win too).
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On 10/22/2022 at 3:06 AM, Hudsy Wudsy said:
I've always thought that it's tough to get a red and maroon two-tone right. I've seen it look nice in a few cases, but I don't think that this one is quite right. I've seen it on Ariel motorcycles, where it was a factory color scheme and it looked great.
They have the trim on the doors above the belt molding painted red to match the belt - the windowsill trim should be the darker color. They are missing the metal spare tire covers (covers came standard when you bought sidemounts or a package of trim level to upgrade).
The runningboard stainless molding is a little too wide and should extend into front fender
The stainless trim is missing from the trunk and the paint below that trim can be tu-toned
They did not come with black tops - they came with T-14 from Haartz (a green-ish/tanish-ish/Blue-ish weave)
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Here is a British/American RR - A 1926 European PI Chassis with Brewster Coachwork/updating. I believe the body style is called a "Prince of Wales". The car is being sold by a friend for an Estate and he asked me if I would post a few photos on his behalf. They are looking for as near to 59K as possible. Runs & Drives, 1970's rebuilt engine with about 5K miles on it since, incredibly solid, very complete, GREAT "unobtainium" Carl Zeiss Headlamps/Fender/Cowl/Lamps (with ancient plastic covers over lenses) & Springfield taillamp, crank, wheel wrench, jack (and maybe more in tool box and trunk) that had quite a bit of stuff in it. Unusual trunk built into rear body. Needs a lot of german silver scrubbing and detail attention. George Thielen, Dayton, OH 1-937-671-0768
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What is amazing is that there should be 20 on ebay with no takers for any of them
J. Frank De Causse- Franklin custom coachwork 1926
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Wickedly low and stylish sedan "Tandem Sedan" that very few people have ever seen as they are the rare of rare - everytime I see one I want a Franklin.