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From the muffler shop picture posted....it certainly appears that there is some mechanization but still plenty of manual work involved to build the mufflers. 33 lbs is certainly a husky and robust muffler. Al

Thanks for the treatice on the design and function of the original Locomobile muffler. I assumed that I may be building a muffler for the Demarest Limousine but fortunately, the muffler is in place. In time I will also dismantle the muffler as you have done for inspection and repair. One thought on the markings you have identified on one of the inner chamber tubes. I am guessing that the markings identify an improved alloy to either better stand up to heat or corrosion by water that is produced or both. The comment by George is spot on. Now a question, have you began the duplication process to build a muffler for your 1917 48? There could be others among us that would like to participate in such a venture. This is just a thought. I, for one, would be interested in a duplicate of the cutout operating button, if that is going to be a part of the muffler reproduction process you under take. This muffler chat is nice and very informative. Al

Does anyone here have pictures or even sales literature that show offerings of the Floyd-Durham body builders especially but not limited to Locomobile? Al

Here is my 2 cents on body design and styling, both from the other side of the pond and the "new world" side of the pond. Some aspects of styling, to me is too stodgy. Some of the French, German and Italian are simply beautiful. I agree, some of what we consider beautiful does have a European flair. Also, some British styling out of the 30's are beautiful, but not common in our US culture. For instance the early Bentley, Lagonda and especially the understated Alvis Speed models. The side pipes on the Locomobile Sport Roadster is another "hit over the fence" style that makes a great and lasting impression. Al

I also noticed the hinge work on the custom bodied Locomobile spoken of above. AK, I have noticed some very "stark" similarities between custom bodies built by different body shops and offered to the public on a number of significant and different manufacturers running gears. A couple of months ago I posed a question to the editors of the Pierce-Arrow monthly publication regarding a sales image of a 1924 or 1925 large series P-A Sedan on the back page. It looks to be a near twin to the unrestored Demarest Limousine shown above but reputedly built by a totally different body builder. Check out the comments by the editor regarding my question in a later subsequent publication. I wonder if many basic style and design parameters were "borrowed" from each other between body shops? Al

As I recall the current British Series in season two of "All Creatures Great and Small" has footage of another Alvis TA-14 in season 1. This is another fun series to watch! Al

Based on the information posted by Jeff....I am now suspect that the body on the Stotesbury Locomobile is even a Demarest creation but something by another body builder. Al

That is interesting "sleuthing" on the subject of the mystery Locomobile. Does any information exist as to when he commissioned the Locomobile 48 to be customized? Credit has been given to Demarest as the body builder. I suppose that is very possible that this is certainly a Demarest "one off". It would be nice to see more "in period" information and pictures. Does anyone in this group happen to have current pictures or know of the current disposition of this Locomobile? Al

This is a similar story to the famous Ab Jenkins land speed car the Mormon Meteor. The Mormon Meteor was on loan and on display at the Utah State Capital, for years, until they forgot how to take care of it which was one of the original loan provisions. After a fairly good sized legal argument, Ab's son Marv was able to take back possession of the Mormon Meteor, restore it and show it to the public once again. In my humble thinking, the Henry Ford should do some very critical thinking on the subject of the future and fate of Old 16 and its role to the American public. Al

Can anyone clean up the quality of the #7 Demarest picture labeled as a Locomobile. I can almost make out front brake drums on the car. That may make it a 1925 Locomobile chassis. I just can't make out other details clearly. The radiator badge looks rather more like an "R" to me not an "L"? Front hubcaps don't look like later series Locomobile stamped design. Maybe with the picture tuned up a bit, more of the Locomobile details could be determined. Let's do some more sleuthing. Al

Ed, Based on your comment. Are you suggesting that the mystery car may be a very custom Locomobile and if it be a 1928 is it likely an 8-80 or a 90?........ By your recollection? Al

Hello Jeff, I think your Demarest 7 is miss labeled. That sure looks like a Rolls Royce to me not a Locomobile. What do you think. Al

I see many pictures of the Old 16 Locomobile from the front or 3/4 front. Does anyone have a good picture of the Old 16 from the rear that you can post here? Al

Walt, I see a few of the Peter Helck The Checkered Flag books available. I will be purchasing one of them and continue looking for other early contemporary books relevant to the Vanderbilt Cup. Al

Jeff, Thanks for your posting the sales literature regarding Peerless. I am interested in Demarest Custom bodies as they relate to Locomobile but also other Demarest custom bodies as they relate to Peerless and others. If you know of other makes sporting Demarest bodywork, please post here to educate us more fully on the scope and influence of Demarest on early classic era automobiles. I see some significant similarities between the Demarest Limousine shown above and offerings by Pierce-Arrow. Al

I am looking for a pair of Gray and Davis Octagonal Brass side lights. If you have any of this type lamp, get in touch with me. Pictures are good.

A picture is worth a thousand words! The would help us determine if the linkage is wrong or an internal failure.

Hello Walt, I am totally pressed with how close these forums come to being an encyclopedia of information. I do not have either of the books you have referred to regarding early Vanderbilt Cup Races. In your humble thinking, which of the two books referenced would be the best read for an enthusiast that lives far away from NY, Long Island and the New England area? Al

I watched a fun, and based on fact, movie called "Whiskey Galore". This 2016 movie is based on a real happening on a small Scottish island during WW2. I bring this fact up as I caught a small technical snafu. There is a scene where a very nice Alvis TA-14 DHC is being driven by the local Dr. It should have been an Alvis 12-70 to be more accurate to the years during WW2. The Alvis TA-14 came out in 1946 after the war ended and the 12-70 before the war. If you get a chance, watch this fun movie and share your observations. Al

I am full of Vanderbilt questions. What would have been the total audience in attendance on the day of the 1908 race? Al

What was the Vanderbilt average speed listed for the 1908 victory by Locomobile Old 16? Next, what was the top speed area and what would have that speed been? Al

I enjoy the efforts that Howard Kroplick puts into his website to keep the Vanderbilt Cup Race alive. I would like to meet him sometime and see in person the location of the original Vanderbilt Cup race coarse. Al

AHa, Could you refer me to your contact I would like to pose a question of two before I commit to a price for recasting the Vanderbilt Trophy ornament. Send me a PM for privacy, thanks. Al

That is a very good question regarding this jewel in the rough. My first thought is to do all mechanical to make it run as it should, then proceed with other refinements. This Demarest Limousine is rather typical with around 25K miles on the clock so I am not anticipating many very worn out mechanical components. Sadly, this automobile spent its life in the Connecticut area with much more humidity before coming to Utah for the dry climate and retirement. As such, the aluminum splash aprons and hood panels are flea bitten and need serious repair or replacement. To answer your question about large parts missing, gladly I can say no! Engine, transmission, radiator, hood, fenders are all present but in need of various amounts of repair. I am missing small pieces, however, such as, tail lights, Bausch and Lomb headlamp lenses, hood hold down latches, and probably a grundle of other small assembly pieces. Undoubtedly, the interior will be the big chunk to swallow. Fortunately, my hourly rate and doing my own work will allow me to financially save enough along the way to complete the interior. Al

Walt, Thanks for being willing to share your picture! I can only dream about such a ride! When I was at the HF last, I simply was mesmerized with the Locomobile Old 16. Several other notables come in right behind my dream ride in Old 16. These other dreams include the Alco Black Beast, Marmon Wasp, Mercer Raceabout and of course a Stutz Bearcat. No one can take away your dreams...... Does anyone else have personal pictures with or around Locomobile Old 16 or even better any live video clips? Al