earl e rizer
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How old does a car have to be before it can be called a survivor? Maybe there's a magic formula Im not privy too?
I've sold all my 50 year old and older cars, the oldest I have now is only 35 years old. I still remember it being new on the showroom floor so it doesn't seem that old to me.
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Funny story about matching numbers. When this all started about 25 yrs. or more ago on Corvettes a dealer I know had a 66 Corvette for sale. A customer came in yammering on about his expert knowledge on Corvettes. Proceeded to have his friend videotape him doing his obnoxious critique, and put his dog in the car to see if the dog approved. Then looking over the engine, started yelling loudly (for the camera to hear him) the firing order cast into the intake manifold. Declaring "Yep the numbers match on this baby!"
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Wow! Just read most of the last 5 pages as I was thinking of selling some Die-casts and a few old car parts on ebay.
I haven't sold anything or bought there for 5-6 yrs. After reading this I'm going to have to find another place to sell!
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Found it! I am going to use my web thermostat to warm my garage up and go out there in a couple of hours. The smartest thing I can do is make a list of the jobs I could do on the cars I ALREADY own for $2200.
It's a jungle out there.
[ATTACH=CONFIG]295405[/ATTACH] All the space that guy has.
It is a drive drive. We have one little town along the lake where we can see the lights on the Hamilton bridge at night.
Bernie
Just bring that 64 Riv over across the bridge and I'll buy the Stude GT and give you my 94 SS Impala & it! LOL
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eelludy You have hit the nail on the head and summed up the Corvette show experience for a lot of us.
It's too bad that it's a popular consensus, but it is!
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Here are my two stories:
When I was a boy growing up in small-town Pennsylvania, there was a large, handsome home next door. Behind the home was a carriage barn. Inside the carriage barn was a genuine stage coach. It was original and the dark red paint was faded. All the leather tack was there, and I think even a couple horse collars were on a rack nearby, but no horses. How it made its way to our tiny town in the Endless Mountains would make a great tale. Now that's a survivor.
My brother-in-law is the original owner of a '67 Corvette coupe; 435 HP, 4-sped, knockoffs, side pipes and only 7,000 miles. It sits in his garage. Twenty or so years ago he took it to a local chapter Corvette show. He got points deducted for grease on the door hinges. His response, "I didn't put that grease there, GM did!"
He hasn't shown it since.
Great stories! Thanks. I don't blame your bro in law for never showing it again at a Corvette Show. Instead of being enthusiastic about seeing such a car and encouraging the owner most members of those clubs are jealous and petty while the rest of them cut the car to pieces, then try to buy it for a lowball offer!
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I don't own a Corvette and likely never will, so I really could not care less about them. I was more curious than anything else about their trademark. Interestingly, if you read the actual claim at USPTO, it doesn't match some of the claims he makes in his response that I posted.
Well Joe I don't own a Corvette now either. For many different reasons, one being associated with those people in the Bloomington crowd doesn't appeal to me, or most members of the local Corvette club that is a NCRS club. This "survivor" business was the last straw for me. I realized how deceitful a few of the members were when I owned my 1963 Corvette.
I wont get into the specifics, but it turned me off completely on owning a vintage Corvette.
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Not too far. In the Hamilton area. Go to kijiji Ontario website under classic cars. It's listed there under Studebaker. About 1-2 hours from the bridge should get you thereI had a '56 Golden Hawk when I was in High School (two hoods, both folded. Not by me). In 1969 I was home on leave from the Navy and left a $20 deposit on a black '63 GT Hawk. I never got back with the remaining $130.I can see Toronto across the lake some days. How deep into Ontario is that tempting thing.
Bernie
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I'm a Studebaker fan. Haven't owned one for years, but there's a 62 Hawk GT for sale here in Ontario for $2200. It needs restoring but seems fairly solid. Very tempting, but reality keeps slapping me in the face as I no longer have a shop of my own!
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"First, David Burroughs, CEO of Bloomington Gold responded to a specific question about the trademark. Boy, does he come off like a smug ass."
These clowns involved with Bloomington or the NCRS are......, to be polite, jackasses. I've had the displeasure of running into a few members over the years as I did own a number of older Corvettes. Small minded egotists in love with themselves and plastic mass produced Chevrolet's.
Do yourself a favor and ignore them and their hot air.
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"What is a Survivor?"
It's a nebulous meaningless term, much like "barn find", used by car snobs who like to sound authoritative. In other words since the term itself is meaningless any consensus you may find is also meaningless..................Bob
Bingo! That's a great response!
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I'm just amazed at how many people have enough money to throw it away on absolute junk. Just to be IN with the IN Crowd is getting ridiculous! Car auctions like this, Lamberts, B-J and the rest are putting the common old car guy like me on the endangered species list. It seems that as every year goes by, prices rise far too fast for the average income working man to get in or stay in the hobby. As soon as the Arizona Auctions are over the prices seem to escalate on all the websites and private sellers alike.
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I've read that and a few other articles. Cadillac is in trouble and heading for more if they don't get rid of these hipster yuppies who are obsessed with their iPhone. Remember the last time GM had management that bragged about not knowing anything about cars? It took over 20 years for the collapse, this time will be faster.
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The convertible is the promo car that Linda Vaughn made famous. One of my all time fav's. I was going to build a replica of the convertible about 10 yrs ago.Had a 70 300 convertible and a 300 H that was beyond restoring lined up to buy. One of the sellers I was dealing with decided he liked my idea better than I did and went around me to buy the Hurst.
Both cars are still sitting rotting away as he lost storage and left them outside. Typical hoarder mentality, no ambition, talent, or brains. Just loves to tell everybody he has them, tempts with a price, and then says nope, wont sell 'em.
Just doesn't get it that now they are rotten beyond repair. A real shame.
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Welcome and have you thought about maybe buying one from Canada? It will be cheaper due to currency rates. If you go on the website kijiji to Toronto Ontario area you will find a few for sale I believe. They can be shipped from Montreal Quebec by container ship.
Also check the Montreal area kijiji and AutoHebdo Quebec online. Good Luck or bonne adventure!
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Up here in the frozen tundra called Canada the base model Buick's were much more popular than the totally loaded ones. Unless you were in the big cities. There are still a few of them around, but most of the 70's got scrapped due to rust out and poor fuel mileage. The sheer bulk of those models also led to their demise. I drove a '75 Olds 98 for a winter car back in the 80's that was a Regency LS I believe? It was quite different interior wise compared to the base 98.
The same for Cadillac models. It seem the Canadian market cars were always the down market models compared to the Detroit cars across the Ambassador Bridge from Windsor.
Especially the Buicks. The Detroit cars always had more trim, rubber bumper trim & guards and better dressed interiors with all the options. The Buick 225's of that era were usually trimmed out better than a Canadian market Cadillac!
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Funny how my Grandpa used to say the same thing about kids not knowing how to fix things,meaning my generation of Baby Boomers, "they just buy new ones". He passed away in 1974.
I like being able to plug a computer into a car and getting a real time diagnosis. I also like being able to look up on Google about a problem and best way to fix it as well as the global reach and price comparison available. My current winter car is a 10 yr. old Pontiac Grand Prix with over 220,000 klms. The composite plastic headlights were pitted and dulled out to the point not being much good at night. That is a problem here in Canada in the winter, very long dark nights. Even after a light sanding and polishing they were sketchy at best. Wreckers wanted $100 each for used ones not much better. Went to Google, found a pair of new for $150 for both including shipping. Changing them on that all plastic modern,disposable Grand Prix took all of 5 minutes.
Now compare this to me back in 1974 trying to fix the rusted out headlight buckets on my then 7 yr. old rusty Mustang with less than 80,000 MILES that kept blowing out the sealed beams every time I hit a puddle with the lights on. Spending the day trying to patch, pop rivet, & bondo up the fender ends and a pair of used buckets & new headlights............ Sometimes the Good OLD Days weren't that great.
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You are so right. 2000 pounds of safety features?
It adds up quick. Beefed up frames, reinforced side impact beams in the doors, reinforced roof, more glass than old cars, 5-8 air bags, 4 wheel anti lock disc brakes, more complex and heavier suspension, seats with safety built in (not just wire frame with foam and horsehair padding), traction control, catalytic converter, loads of heat shields and sound deadening, collapsible steering column. I will take a side imapct or head on crash in a modern Cadiallac or Lincoln anyday over say a 50 Chevy. The modern car is going to looks MUCH MUCH worse after the crash but the occupants are going to look much better and likely walk away without major injuries. In a classic car YOU are the crumple zone. All the kinetic energy has to go somewhere. The dash in my Desoto is more solid than the bumpers on most modern trucks and I would hate to know what it feels like to kiss it at 30 mph.
I agree. I took a steering wheel to the face of a 1959 Ford (actually a Canadian Meteor, same car) at less than 20 mph when I was a teenager and it did indeed hurt as well as damage my nose and teeth. I would rather have an air bag and crumple zone any day.
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I'm turning 60 soon and I bought my 1st Lincoln when I was 22. It was a 70 Mark III followed by a 71 Continental sedan, so I've been a large barge lover from a young age. The new Linc's are nice enough cars, but I'm not interested in them. The last of the Town Cars (built in Talbotville Ont) alongside of the Crown Vic's were the last ones I admired,( 2010?) I see a lot of them for sale now with well over 300,000 kilometers and up to one recently with over 900,000. So they must be good cars if the Limo companies bought them and still testify to their durability!
The new MkS doesn't really look the part, but we better get used to seeing them around as the oldies are dying off fast.
Congrats on your 04 purchase and hats off to the original owner!
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A few of my fellow Canadians have been to Cuba quite often, one guy even moved there. Some take old car parts from here and give(donate) them to the locals to help keep the cars running. The people are very grateful for anything as they have little to no hard currency but go out of their way to be hospitable.
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I guess my Dad and Uncle pre cooled these guys back in the 50's with their "gow jobs" that had primer or what was left of original paint and the only chrome were the "Kustom" acorn nuts on the flatheads. Their cars were built from usually abandoned model T's or what ever was left behind at my Grandpa's garage when the owners gave up on them. The only thing that bugs me about the modern built rats is the lack of concern over basic safety items like brakes ,tires& steering.
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The 29 Pontiac in my avatar was an Oshawa Canada built car that had been in a Pontiac dealer's back barn since around 1954 when he took it in on trade. I pulled it out in 2004 with all of it's original Canadian rust!
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The reason for doing a separate car from the USA model was due to Canadian import laws at the time. This changed with the new Auto Pact Bill signed between US & Canada in the late 60's, took effect for the 70 model year. The Canadian Pontiacs used US dash, interior & sheet metal for the most part. But SOME sheet metal was different due to the length of the US cars that are longer than a Chev. Also here in Canada we built RHD Pontiac's in knock down form for the British Commonwealth nations and South Africa. The rHD cars used a Chev dash panel modified and molded in fiberglass on some years.
Other European countries as well as South American got the left hand drive. They were sub assembled in Canada, mostly Oshawa Ontario and final assembly all over the world. Again mostly due to trade agreements and high tariffs on US goods abroad.
The most common engines were Chev small blocks and the inline 6 StoveBolt that was bored to 261 C.I. for Pontiac exclusively. I had quite a number of Poncho's growing up here in Canada. My favorite one was a 64 Parisenne with a 409,3 speed stick. If you want more info just go to Canadian Poncho website www.canadianponcho.activeboard.com
We always welcome new members!!
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Some good advice on this thread. I agree, buy the best you can afford, even if that means taking out an equity loan and making payments VS buying a basket case and restoring. Believe me you can make some very large payments and still it will be a drop in the bucket compared to body shop bills, rechroming, interior kits, wasted hours chasing bad leads for parts, busted knuckles, and sometimes giving up due to the overwhelming darkness of the tunnel ahead only to lose big time.
I've been messing with cars since I was 14, turning 60 in the spring and I'm surprised by the amount of people who think as old cars as an investment. Maybe a depreciating investment or write off, but if you don't love old cars go buy a painting or antique clock.
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The best thing to do about these crappy reality car shows is not watch them. Maybe even send a message to the network that airs them telling them your thoughts and that you don't watch their channel based on the garbage they produce.
As a Canadian I'm particularly embarrassed by the show "Restoration Garage" as it is based in Ontario Canada. Awful.