Packard8

Not sure about the 288, but some engines have registration pins to align the engine to bellhousing. Make sure these are broken studs before you start with the drill & easy-out! Have you tried a small pry bar or large screwdriver to (gently) separate the two?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This appears to be a bit different from other scams noted on the ebay security site-someone has either hacked into ebay computers and is posting fake listings or has somehow modified existing listings. </div></div> Exactly, and I doubt that eBay is too eager to admit they have been breached/hacked. As soon as they take down one of the hijacked ads, the guy is right back with 50 new kidnapped collector cars under another hijacked member account. This is a real black eye for eBay?s internal security and will likely affect member confidence if not corrected very soon. I?s strange the hacker keeps using the same email addy?you would think that eBay would have enuf clout with the ISP to have it shut down. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I got in touch with atr. they did not have any new radiators, thanks for the suggestion though </div></div> I neglected to ask earlier, but cannot the one you have be repaired? Back in the day, the standard of service was to remove the upper & lower tank and then boil out and "rod" the core. Then reassemble and pressure test for and repair (solder or braze) any leaks. These cars use a pretty heavily built radiator, and if not too far gone it can be repaired to good working order (I'd suggest a shop other than the $1000 re-core guy!) Keep us posted

True, I haven't checked in a few years, but I was quoted $300 about 2 years ago to re-core a John Deere B radiator which is very close to the size of the bathtub Packards. Sometimes you get a better price thru an Ag/Industrial shop than if you say you are "restoring a classic auto"...worth a shot.....

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I went to my local radiator repair shop, they wanted a thousand dollars to recore my radiator there is no way in h--l I am going to pay that much money to recore a radiator. carpe diem <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> </div></div> Did you get a hold of ATR? I wouldn't hesitate to use an NOS unit if it has been stored properly. These engines weren't known for overheating when new, so if the rest of the system (block, head, heater core etc) is relatively clean you should be fine. You might also check with other local shops, especially those who work on big OTR trucks, off road equipment, AG equipment etc. Sounds like the guy wants to retire on one job! <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"...the '41 - '47 Clippers had a starter button on the far left side of the instrument panel) (someone refresh my memory - when did they introduce the 288 block, that later evolved into the 327 for '51..?)..." The 1941-47 Clippers, and all 1948-54 Packards used the gas pedal starting system. A few 1941 Clipper prototypes did have a starter button on the left side of the dash. The 288 (Eight) and the 327 (Super Eight) engines were both introduced during the 22nd Series (July 1947 for the Super Eight convertibles, late-1947 for the rest of the line). </div></div> I believe 1952 (??) was the last year for the carb switch starter. All the '54's I've seen had key start, and if memory serves the '53 Mayfair I once owned also had key start.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">He was back yesterday 3/26-Buy it now for $7200-listing number 260100930942 which ain't there now. Ebay has a problem on their hands </div></div> I'm surprised that ebay hasn't plugged the leak yet. If you go to the latest hacked listing for the blue 1950 conv and click on "view seller's other items" you will find 59 other hijacked cars for $7200 (many worth $100K plus)

34Chuck, Pete has his pet rant (same one for the past 5 years) and just won?t be annoyed with the facts?.he must have been vaccinated with a Victrola needle, as he is stuck in one groove (thanks Al). People who have *recent* and *hands-on* experience with these cars (as opposed to foggy 50 year old memories) realize that the styling, engineering and quality was as good as or better than the contemporaries. A multitude of factors lead to the demise of Packard as well as ALL of the US ?Independents?. To suggest that there was only one cause is overly simplistic and just plain uninformed. Perhaps we can all chip in for a library card for Pete so he can read Ward, Kimes, Langworth etc. PS don?t get him started on ?shell bearings? or ?high speed Oldsmobile rear end transplants in Packard 12?s? <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />

Don, I've not read Ward's book...what is his theory of "the fall"? Re Nance, this is from another magazine article: "Packard continued to grow during the '20s and into the '30s, becoming a favored automobile for special coach builders to practice their art. Packard survived the Great Depression of the '30s while Peerless, Pierce-Arrow, Auburn-Cord-Duesenberg, Stutz, Marmon and other luxury car names failed. But it could not survive the post-World War II prosperity. The last true Packards were built in 1956. Sales began to decrease in the I950s, as Packard was unable to match the annual model changes of the Big Three. But Packard continued to develop high-quality cars with innovations such as self adjusting suspension with torsion bars, pushbutton drive, and an overhead-valve V-8. In 1954, Packard merged with Studebaker in an effort to stay afloat, but it was too little, too late. Under President James J. Nance, Packard offered a line of high-quality cars in 1956, but that was the last of the true Packards. Nance resigned, Packard production was moved to Studebaker's South Bend facilities and Packards in 1957 were re-badged Studebakers. In 1958, the last cars to bear the Packard nameplate were built and one of the greatest American marques quietly vanished not with a bang but a whimper. "

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wow, it went from about 27 listings to 1 in just the last few minutes? I guess somebody contacted ebay. </div></div> Like I said...."Whack-a-Mole"...lol. I feel sorry for the legit seller of that 1950 blue Super 8 ragtop. That poor car has been in 3 or 4 scams just today.

What amazes me is that eBay?s servers have been hacked and compromised. eBay members are being ?snatched? directly from inside the supposedly secure eBay system and redirected to the scammer?s email. This is waaaaay beyond the old Nigerian cashier?s check scam. If this continues, I expect customer confidence in eBay will drop like a rock.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">John, I have been a long time fan of Mr.Langworth. He is a very accomplished historian and author. He didn't get to be a Commander of the British Empire by writing nonsense. </div></div> Exactly. I believe he and Kimes are considered to be among the preeminent scholars on Packard automobiles and their history. MOST ppl who have been around Packards for a while are familiar with his name and work. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Pete, Just in case you are interested.....I would say his opinion on Packard history has some considerable weight. I'll admit, however, he's just a kid along side of you..... <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> Richard M. Langworth CBE (born 1941- ) is a Moultonborough, New Hampshire and Eleuthera, Bahamas based author of books and magazine articles, specializing in automotive history, automobile makes, brands and American and European automobile manufacturers. He was editor of The Packard Cormorant from 1975 through 2001, and is a Trustee of the Packard Motorcar Foundation (Detroit, MI). His works have won awards from the Antique Automobile Club of America, Society of Automotive Historians, Old Cars Weekly, Packard Club and Graphic Arts Association of New Hampshire. </div></div> Yep Dave, ?that Langworth guy? as I recall also wrote a few books and a few hundred magazine articles, but I doubt he knows what he is talking about as he ?wasn?t there?. The following titles are listed by the Gale Literary Database and represent a partial listing (not counting magazine and journal contributions) of Langworth's major works to date: ? (Editor) The World of Cars, Dutton, 1971. ? (Co-author with Beverly Rae Kimes) Oldsmobile: The First 75 Years, Automobile Quarterly, 1972. ? Fifty Years of Triumph, Automobile Quarterly, 1973. ? Kaiser-Frazer: Last Onslaught on Detroit, Dutton, 1975. ? Chrysler & Imperial: The Postwar Years, Motorbooks, 1976. ? Hudson: The Postwar Years, Motorbooks, 1977. ? Studebaker: The Postwar Years, Motorbooks, 1978. ? (Co-author with Graham Robson) Triumph Cars, a History, Motor Racing Publishers, 1978, rep. 1998. ? (Publisher) Pat Chappell, The Hot One: Chevrolet 1955-57, Dragonwyck Publishing (NH), 1978. ? The Thunderbird Story: Personal Luxury, Motorbooks International (Osceola, WI), 1980. ? Tiger, Alpine, Rapier: Sporting Cars From the Rootes Group, Osprey (London, England), 1982. ? Porsche, a Tradition of Greatness (Consumer Guide/Beekman (New York), 1983. ? The Studebaker Century: A National Heritage, (With Asa E. Hall), Dragonwyck Publishing (NH), 1983. ? Chevrolet 1911-1985, (With Jan P. Norbye), Consumer Guide/Beekman (New York), 1984. ? Encyclopedia of American Cars, 1930-1980, Consumer Guide/Beekman (New York), 1984. ? Mercedes-Benz: The First Hundred Years, Consumer Guide/Beekman (New York), 1984. ? The Mustangs, 1964-1973: A Collector's Guide, Motor Racing Publications (London, England), 1984. ? History of Chrysler Corporation, 1924-1985, (With Jan Norbye) Beekman (New York), 1985. ? History of General Motors 1908-1986, (With Jan Norbye) Publications Intl. (Skokie, IL), 1986. ? Illustrated Cadillac Buyer's Guide, Motorbooks International (Osceola, WI), 1986. ? The Complete Book of Corvette, Consumer Guide/Beekman (New York), 1987. ? Illustrated Oldsmobile Buyer's Guide, Motorbooks International (Osceola, WI), 1987. ? Complete Book of Collectible Cars, (With Graham Robson) Publications Intl. (Skokie, IL), 1987. ? The Great American Convertible, Consumer Guide/Beekman (New York), 1988. ? Illustrated Buick Buyer's Guide, Motorbooks International (Osceola, WI), 1988. ? Great American Automobiles of the 50s, Consumer Guide/Beekman (New York), 1989. ? Illustrated Packard Buyer's Guide, Motorbooks International (Osceola, WI), 1991. ? (Publisher) Winston S. Churchill, India, First American Edition, Dragonwyck Publishing (NH), 1991. ? Illustrated Studebaker Buyer's Guide, Motorbooks International (Osceola, WI), 1991. ? Chrysler & Imperial: The Classic Postwar Years, Motorbooks International (Osceola, WI), 1993. ? Hudson, 1946-1957, Motorbooks International (Osceola, WI), 1993. ? Studebaker, 1946-1966, Motorbooks International (Osceola, WI), 1993. ? Complete Book of Collectible Cars: Revised & Extended, Publications Intl. (Lincolnwood, IL), 1994. ? Illustrated Dodge Buyer's Guide, Motorbooks International (Osceola, WI), 1995. ? Great Cars of the 20th Century,(With Arch Brown, Publications Intl. (Lincolnwood, IL), 1998. ? Connoisseur's Guide to the Books of Sir Winston Churchill, Brasseys (London, England), 1998, 2001. ? (Editor) Winston Churchill by Himself, Ebury Press (London, England), forthcoming 2008 <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Again, another failure to communicate. The Packard Motor Company died as a result of poor business decisions. IMHO the management a Packard failed to realize what was in the hand at the moment. My 55 has many technical advances in suspension, economy, comfort, etc, etc, etc...... that are now common place on cars theese days. Less horsepower, More performance. The only way to do this is to lose weight. Packard was on the crest of the wave in the post war era, the should have been shooting the curl......... </div></div> You are correct that the 55 & 56?s were leaps ahead of the competition. The problem is that by the time they came to market terminal cancer had set in at Packard and metastasized throughout what was left. If you can find a reprint, Richard Langworth did nice piece on the 1954 Pacific in the June 1979 Special Interest Auto. He actually drove an overdrive equipped Pacific HT with the 212HP 359 straight 8 and concluded ?It compared reasonably well with all three competitor?s OHV V8?s. It had more horsepower than Lincoln?s V8 and was the only in-line producing comparable HP/cid to the more modern competition?. He quoted another owner of an OD straight eight car who praised the ?turbine like smooth power? that would take you to 80 MPH in 2nd gear. Langworth concluded that ?image? is what killed sales?.?Alas, by 1954 it didn?t matter if your sidevalve eight was developing 500 horsepower. All anybody saw when they opened the hood was eight sparkplugs in a row. To all but the most knowledgeable, this fairly shouted obsolescence ?. an ?old man?s car?. Langworth commented on the luxury and quality of the car in relation to its contemporaries. I value his judgement over someone?s vague memories of what they ?think? they recall from fifty-some years ago. Better yet, take your Clipper to a cruise night and park it side by side to any other car of the period and see for yourself?.a real world, real time comparison, not foggy memories. It wasn?t quality that killed the line, by the time they had a competitive design it was all water under the bridge. It has always amazed me that Studebaker was able to design and build a first class OHV V8 (gear drive cam, forged crank, 5 headbolts per cylinder etc) 4 years before Packard. Could Packard have survived if things were done differently? Probably not, just look at the finances of Ford & GM?hovering near bankruptcy. DC is trying to sell off Chrysler?.the only hope would have been if Toyota had bought Packard?.. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />

this guy is slick...sorta like "whack-a-mole". One gets closed and another pops up: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/HAVE-THIS...1QQcmdZViewItem

Looks like he's back.... http://stores.ebay.com/KHAM-V-Trading Russian Mafia? Check the prices on these cars!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I called eBay on this one. I got through right away and they shut it down. I did not realize that it had been hacked. I thought it was just a rip off. </div></div> Glad you got thru. That was a pretty sophisticated hack!.....maybe with some inside help? eBay has made it almost impossible to get to a live person. They should have an easier way to report fraud, IMHO.

I see that both are down now, but they must have hacked internally into the eBay servers. The listing was on the eBay main page but when you tried to ask a question, tried to check feedback or actually clicked anywhere on the auction page you were directed to your default email compose page with the scammer?s email addy already there. Not sure how they did that unless it was an inside job or one heck of a hacker! Doesn't give me confidence in the eBay security.........

And another: mint 1950 Packard Conv for $7200! This guy is good?he?s hacked eBay?if you click anywhere on the page you are directed to his email. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/HAVE-THIS...1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1939-BUGA...1QQcmdZViewItem If anyone thinks they can "Buy It Now" for $9500 perhaps deserves to lose the money.... I'll try to notify eBay, but they don't make it easy

I won?t say it is impossible, but I think you will find that it is not practical. It is a very interdependent system front to rear and doesn?t lend itself to modification. We?ve had a few custom guys on here try it with not much success. Some 14? wheels with low profile tires is your best bet.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">O.K. it's obvious that no one is going to convince the newbies of the situation. In truth they are very liberal minded and want to give everyone another chance and obviously are not willing to listen to the voices of experience. We, the old timers, have been there, done that, jousted with him, and know the mindset. We had to learn the hardway, so since your not willing to take the advice of the people who have been thru it, then you will have to find out for yourself. I put in my $.02 and it fell short. You are now free to learn on your own. I will scan this thread with great interest, but will contribute no more to it. Have fun!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! </div></div> It?s not surprising Al, most are not aware of the Dr. Jekyll & Mr. Hide aspects at play here and have only seen the good Doctor so far. They are not aware that when the wheels came off last time, Mr. Hyde emerged as multiple personas in the form of ?new members? whose only purpose was to foment discord and start arguments. It was in a way comical to witness him arguing with himself using many characters simultaneously within the same thread?..?My name is Legion for we are many??..LOL Hopefully Peter G will be on alert for a slew of ?new members? who spring forth from the same IP addy. Like you, I?ll just watch with interest and not take any more bait. Who knows??? Maybe the wheels will stay on this time around??..

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Packard8: Peter in many ways is correct in his statmenets about the history of Packard in the 50's. By 1954 Packard offered a product that few had any interest in purchasing. In 1955 people didn't want to purchase a product that had poorly built bodies, and many machanical problems. THE GREAT GRAND WIZARD </div></div> Lemme see if I can remember all the Packards in the last 10 years? 49 club Coupe 51 2 Dr sedan 2ea 53 Clipper 2ea 54 Pats 54 Limo 54 Pacific 54 Conv 55 Clipper Conie 3ea 56 Pat 2ea 56 400 56 Carib Now granted, many were parts cars, six were from one collection and I fixed up and eBay?d them. But none had parts falling off, or were significantly poorer build quality than the dozens of other old cars I?ve had over the years (markedly better than many!). The V8?s stacked up quite well with the competition, but they were about 3 years too late to save the company (or at least postpone the demise). BTW, welcome back John <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well, it's back - ?? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayIS...mMakeTrack=true </div></div> Yup...something is real fishy. As you said, you can't accidentally overbid by adding a zero or two unless someone else does also to keep the bid bumping up (and what are the odds of that?)

Sometimes switching to a diesel rated motor oil like Chevron Delo 400, Mobil Delvac, Shell Rotella etc will help. These oils are formulated for diesels using HEUI injectors (actuated by the oil) and have more anti-foam additives. BTW...welcome