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Hello Rick. Welcome to the board. Well, I see you have met Peter Hartmann, now using the name Lake Powell. Rick, this guy has been kicked off of this board more times than I can count. When I was asking questions about my engine (1926 Packard six) I heard the same stuff. From the same guy. Hartmann. All I can do is pass on to you the wisdom a wise old veteran of this board passed on to me. Ignore him. Whenever he posts, be it under the Hartmann name, Lake Powell or whatever, just hit the delete button. It ain't worth the grief and if you ignore him, he will go away.

Hard to tell without a front view but it looks like it came from a 1921 or earlier Packard. If you go to the Packardclub homepage and look at the front end views of the cars you can see the similarity in shape between your light (as best as I can guess) and the shape of the headlights used on those cars. Hope this helps.

Great idea! I forgot all about that. Thanks.

Well, that's a little too far. I wanted someone to check on a Packard I'm having restored. But thanks anyway.

Does anyone out there in Packardland live in or near Youngstown, Ohio? Thanks.

Sorry gang, but the 65-67 Goats rule the world!

No offense to the good Mr. Bayliff, but that just might be the ugliest car I've ever seen. Its either that or those "Stutz" cars from the same vintage. OUCH!!

Amen to that! My 90 Miata still runs fine. And my British sports car fans are still amazed. Imagine that--a sports car which, when driven on a cold, rainy night with the top up, you stay dry. And, with the lights, windshield wipers and heater (working!!) on, I then turn on the radio and the car doesn't burst into flames. They just can't deal with it. They sniff something like "that's not a real sports car" and then run out and buy one. <img src="http://www.aaca.org/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

OK Dave, you're on. I've posted here before-I'm rebuilding a 1926 six cylinder 433 club sedan. The body is done, I just need to track down some engine parts. But, onto the Bijur. The pump seems to work fine, but the system's been sitting there for probably 50 years. Who knows what gunk is in the lines? anyway, what do you suggest for cleaning them out? Take the whole system apart? Fill it with oil, pull the plunger, see which tips don't ooze oil and clean them or what? Also, what weight oil should I use in the system, 50 weight? Finally, do you know where I can find a reasonably priced cap for the thing? Its the screw on type. I found a number of them at hershey's, but in all honesty, restoring this car is a hobby, not someone elses retirement fund if you know what I mean.

I am looking for good, usable parts to rebuild a 1927 Packard Six 4th series engine or, if available, a working rebuilt engine. I have some of the parts, but I need things like valves, valve rollers, various gears, seals, etc. Thanks.

I am looking for good, usable parts for a 4th Series 1927 Packard Six engine, or a working rebuilt engine. I have already tried most of the dealers, etc. Can anyone help?

Try ebay or Hemmings.

Well, the restoration continues. The body is done and the engine is being rebuilt. But I'm having some problems tracking down parts (imagine that! Pep Boys doesn't stock 27 Packard parts!). Anyway, I'm looking for valves. None of the usual suspects (Kanter, Max Merritt, etc) has them. Any suggestions? By the way, are the valves different between the 3d, 4th and 5th series Packard Sixes? Mine is a 4th series. Some other questions. The horn button is long gone. I tried to find one and only Yeska had it. Wanted over $100 for it. Its a black rubber semi circle. Since this is merely a hobby, not someone's retirement account, I politely declined. If I can't find one, making one should not be hard. But, the horn button sits in the middle of the steering column. I know how to wire up the horn, but how do you run the wire from the horn to the middle of the steering column? Finally, this car, when it was new, had a Kelch heater in it. Long since rotted away. Does anyone know if someone makes a reproduction? Thanks again!

Depending on your wife's sense of humor, back in the 50s, dodge (I think) made a car especially for women called "La Femme". I saw one at last year's Hershey show. The thing was beyond tacky. In fact, it was so bad that my wife fell in love with it.

Is anyone out there in Packardland near Youngstown, Ohio? Anyone familiar with Rich Mauro of Mauro's Restorations?

It was a Packard installed part.

K8096 is right. Its a Skinner oil rectifier. It was dropped later in 1926 when the new series Packards (4th series six and 3d series eight) came out. It was an interesting idea, it used engine heat to burn off impurities from the engine oil, but it just didn't work.

Thanks for the advice. I'm leaning in the direction of overdrive. In effect, I get an extra gear (or two). But that project might wait until next year. The color scheme for the car is based on a 1926-27 advertisement for the Club Sedan. Its the add with the knight or whatever at the top of the add. The body is Packard blue, the fenders and roof are black, and the disc wheels are red and it has a gold stripe along the side. Now I need to get the body shop to return my phone calls...

Updates on my Packard project... I have decided to part with the bucks and have the engine rebuilt. The shop doing it is very reputable, having rebuilt many engines. And, despite the comments of one, the connecting rods will be babbitted. Paul, the guy rebuilding the engine, tells me that with modern babbitting materials I should have no problems, that the key is to insure a correct fit, and he has not had the pounding out problem alluded to earlier in this thread. Please, this is NOT!!! an invitation to further rantings on this point. No. Nicht. Nein. Nyet. If you still can't control it, please rant on the tech board. I do, however, have some questions that maybe you all out there in Packardland can help me with. I have spoken with a number of peoople who have or have had Packards from the 1926-28 time frame with the 6 cylinder engine. They all tell me that the car will cruise at 50 mph (the 27 and 28 models easier, of course, because of the increased horsepower) and Packard advertisements of the time state that the car could go 70 mph. I still would rather not do that and if I'm going to take it on a highway (and keep it at 50 mph max) I was thinking of installing either an overdrive or a high speed rear end. So, which do you all out there think is better--the overdrive or the high speed rear end? From what I have been able to determine, either one should do the trick. Thanks much.

Given all of the discussion about repairing an engine, babbitting, etc, I wonder whether it is worth thr risk of just repairing the crack and using the original parts again. The pistons are new, and assuming they still fit, and assuming there are no other defects in the parts (cracks in the crank shaft, warping, etc), just reuse the old parts (maybe replace the valves). The engine has about 72,000 miles on it and ran fine before the block cracked. So, the question is, how much pitting can a Packard Six take before the repairs must be made? FYI, I do plan on using this car as a driver, not a trailer queen, and although there is pitting, I have seen worse (in running engines).

I am in New York, and the car is in Youngstown, Ohio. I have a very good shop doing the repairs. They have been around for decades and have rebuilt many engines (including Packards). So, I know they will do a good job. Its just the hit to the bank account that hurts. That and the fact that the engine was supposed to have been rebuilt when I bought the car but the guy who rebuilt it is now nowhere to be found. Anyway, it was my wife's idea that I get a hobby...

I wish I could remember where I read about the cork float. I seem to recall the problem was with a 1920-something Packard or Ford. Anyway, if I can find a replacement part I think I'll play it safe and use that. As for the vacuum tank, it has been restored and mounted. For cosmetic purposes only. I am using a 6 volt fuel pump. Funny think about those Packard sixes from the 20's. Packard sold a ton of them. And, while I have found good engines from 1924, 25 and 28, I have not been able to find one from 1927 (the Fourth Series). So, I might just have to bite the bullet and have my motor rebuilt. Now, how do I explain this to my wife???

Get and stay the F@#K off of this board. You are a useless, clueless pile of crap with nothing to do in life but bother people. I asked reasonable questions, I wanted reasonable answers. No, I do not care about (nor do I believe you ever owned) a Rolls. And yes, you are such a ranting wacko that I cannot in good faith believe anything you say. Which is a problem, because (maybe by mistake) you might actually get close to a correct answer. This will undoubtedly result in yet another rant by you--who cares, except that you keep taking up time and space. My only advice to you is to stay on your meds.

OK guys, fight nice. On the engine, the crack is in the block, not the head. There is only one crack (yup, did the old magnaflux on it). The crack is several inches long and runs up the wall of the number 2 cylinder, across the top and down into one of the valve seats. Yes, this can be fixed, I have had it checked by a very reputable company which has rebuilt many Packard engines, and I have an estimate for doing the repairs correctly. I have new pistons. Many of the other internal parts, however, are badly pitted. The crank shaft can be fixed, the company knows all about balancing the thing (having done it many times), and the cam shaft can be fixed. The connecting rods are badly pitted (again, can be repaired) and the valve rollers are also pitted. These may have to be remanufactured (ie new ones made from scratch using the old ones as a model). As you can see, this is running into some serious greenbacks to do and hense, my inquiries as to whether I can find an already rebuilt engine or replacement parts (and whether any parts from other Packard engines are interchangeable with these parts). Funny, I have located rebuilt 1924 and 1928 Packard Six engines, and a couple of 1927 eights. But no 1927 fourth series sixes. Oh well, if I have to bite the bullet on this one and pay for the rebuild, I have no chioce. Now for my other questions. What about replacing the cork float for the sending unit in the gas tank? Now is the time to do it since its not back in the tank yet. I do recall someone mentioning that these cork floats will not work very well with today's gasoline bacause the cork just gets saturated and, well, stops floating. Comments? Suggestions?? Also, any comments or suggestions on my questions on the Bijur lubricator? Thanks in advance to all of you out there in Packardland.

Thanks for the info. As for the engine, I'm a purist just like you. I won't even put a 1928 six in the car (1928, the 5th series, is the last year Packard made the six, i think). My question, however, was whether the rollers, connecting rods, etc (obviously not the camshaft or crank shaft)from the 1927 eight would fit in the 1927 six. Thanks again.