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  1. As was already said, 63-65 Rivs are the same body with some trim adjustments. There is a quarter to body seam close to where the yellow car has cracked. I have not seen many do that there. If you can have someone you trust take a very close look at the car or do it yourself before sending the $, it's probably a good idea. While first gen Rivs used a lot of common mechanical parts with regular full sized Buicks, all body parts and quite a few interior parts are special Riv only items. With Rivs having 3 interior trim levels each year, some pieces can be hard to find. While Riv stuff is being reproduced because of limited markets, it's expensive. Body parts/patch panels are basically not available so body work is probably the most expensive/hardest to fix. It might even be worth having your friend make a list of what the car needs to make it tourable safely and then check the prices of the needed parts/work. That way you'll have a rough estimate of the total cost of making the car meet your needs. In the long run, it's probably worth buying a close to turn key car for more $ and not having to spend lots of money fixing surprises. With respect to numbers matching-depending on model year, Buick did and DID NOT match the engine number to the serial number. As I recall this was an off and on kind of thing until the feds mandated it in the later sixties, so the whole numbers matching thing doesn't make sense many times when applied to Buicks. I'm not sure where 64 falls in this scheme. There was a new serial number system introduced in 65 which did involve having part of the vin match up to the engine number. 64 may have been in that window where the engine number bears no relationship to the serial number of the car. Could a 401 have been installed in a Riv as a special order-probably-but then there should be an option code somewhere that would indicate that happened. There were frequently low powered options for 'export.'
  2. Tom, Since you have some time, another thought would be to collect all the data you can about what is and is not available. Write a letter to the BCA chief judge and ask for a formal opinion concerning which "wrong" tire will be considered the "nearest" tire size for judging purposes. Which is more "wrong" an incorrect whitewall width or an incorrect size? I don't think I would try the re-vulcanizing trick on a bias ply tire. Then-keep a copy of the letter with the car.
  3. Sid, check your private messages. Blinking flag by your log in.
  4. Sid, This was one of the first cars to have glue in windshields/rear windows. They didn't get it quite right the first time. Plus, the adhesive used is now 40+ years old so it may not seal too good. Another problem is the way the window is inset, the ledge the window sits on can rust through with no exterior sign other than water in the trunk. Just be aware. Given that it will be a tour car, it may be something for the plan to fix it just in case list.
  5. Now Norb, Neither you nor RV will be walking around there at night! Not without your kevlar vests. Seriously-it's sad that the various rules, regulations and business decisions made by the suits that know or care nothing about the cars they are building have taken GM down this path. While a car guy ( or gal ) can sell cookies and cakes to the grocery set, a cookie guy ( or gal ) doesn't understand how to build/create/sell a car. When GM had car guys in charge, they were on top. Now that the cookie folks run the company, they play endless follow the leader ( Toyota ). Let's hope the Lucerne and hopefully something more interesting/exciting in the pipeline will help Buick regain its US reputation. Owning a Buick is still a major status thing in China--now if the suits can just figure out how not to screw THAT up too, along with regaining their status/market share in the US.
  6. If you're talking about the light colored square weaved cloth that has a foam rubber backing, I think CARS is the only place that has it. You have to buy the raw yard goods and cut it to fit-just like BUICK did. The foam rubber usually turns to dust and crumbles away, leaving the thin cloth.
  7. Cross check the actual tread width/OD/section width dimensions to get the closest possible match. Oversize is probably better than undersized is a good rule of thumb. However, raising the ride height could adversely affect the handling. Coker classic made an 8.00 x 15 in their line awhile ago. Don't know how many different whitewall sizes they made it in, however.
  8. AM/FM Wonderbars did exist but not for a few more years. I know they were around in the early 70's as I have/had one in a Caddy of that era. However, I don't think they will fit in the dashboard of the 64 Riv due to a bigger face to allow the use of 8-tracks without changing the dashboard trims. Another choice would be to mount a modern radio/CD in the glove box and then use an ipod/cd or sat radio to get whatever you want. Since you have a console, the storage isn't a huge deal.
  9. W, I seem to recall seeing the brake pedal move on that 66 Bird in response to the steering wheel switch. Maybe it was just vacuum bounce or fading memory as it was many years ago. This would have been on a nearly new car.
  10. For those that might be interested, go over to the Buick thread to see the end of Buick World Headquarters which is happening now.
  11. 64 seat belts were optional so it may only have fronts. 65 front seat belts standard, rears optional 66 front and rear seat belts standard
  12. For what it's worth, Buick World Headquarters will probably suffer a similar fate if they can't find a buyer for the building. Another great building from the 50's/60's that will soon be in the middle of now-where GM wise when the V-6 plant is closed in a couple of years. BTW-BUICK will probably survive if anyone familiar with GM's China operation and Chinese Reputation has any say in the decisions. Buicks have an exceptional reputation in China. Unfortunately, that has led the GM brass to put Buick names on some other division products that really shouldn't be permitted to wear the name. A few weeks ago on Today, Matt Lauer was in Shanghai with a Buick neon sign prominently on a skyscraper behind him. Now might be the time to put some spare cash into GM stock.
  13. Pete, That lid's too new for a Dort. That company was part of the Durant empire and didn't make it very far into the 30's, if at all.
  14. 66 T-birds had the cruise control on steering wheel hub, along with resume and I believe coast. I recall that touching one of the steering wheel buttons would apply the brake. Special steering wheel only used with cruise.
  15. Someone said a recent Time magazine had an article where GM is supposedly considering whether to axe Buick or Pontiac next? Has anyone seen that? When will GM ever learn. From what I understand, the Olds buyers did NOT go to GM when it was time to purchase a new car. After all, even if I'm a satisfied Olds owner, GM doesn't build "my" car anymore so it's a good excuse to look at other things.
  16. For what it's worth, the seat belt issue is probably embedded in the original federal requirement that mandates front belts in 1965 and front and rear belts in 1966. The states where belt use is required, as I have heard from friends, do not require the retrofitting of belts into cars prior to these years but IF the car is new enough to have belts, then they must be used. Let's talk about people riding in the beds of pick up trucks for awhile..... I suspect that the law may be silent on the specific issue of child safety seats being required in an antique car of date of manufacture prior to that which required seat belts. Safety seats attach to belts. No belts, no point of attachment. My cars are all steel bodies. They have seat belts. Everyone that rides in them uses the belts. My car, my choice of rules. I do not have kids and would probably NOT choose to put kids of safety seat age belonging to others in my collector cars. That said, the kids riding in the Duesie were riding with their parents who had restored the car. The kids may have even helped work on the car. Their REWARD for 'helping' was probably the ride in that very special car. If MY DAD had the chance of driving a Duesie, there is no force on earth that would have stopped me from riding in that car. Same for riding in the mother in law running board seat on a Mercer Raceabout. Dave-I agree with you, and others, that it's probably in our best interest to attach some reasonable seat restraints in our collector cars as some minor protection against the actions of 'the other guy.' On the other hand, one wonders if the modern drivers expectation that the car will allow him/her to walk away from even severe crashes with minimal injuries doesn't lead people to take chances the might not otherwise take. We've all seen the moron with the cell phone on one hand, coffee in the other, steering with an elbow while eating a bagle at 85 mph in traffic, scanning the newspaper.
  17. I sent you an email to arrange to purchase the console. Let me know if it did not go through. Thanks.
  18. Keith, Remember that in the civilized west we have speed limits of 70, 75 so around 80 mph might have been legal. Speed doesn't really matter. Last night while waiting for a light to change I saw an idiot in a new Impala turn north just ahead of me on the street I was headed north on. It pulled to the curb and after all the traffic passed, made a U turn to go back out onto the east west street. Did I mention that it was NIGHT, AND that the street was one way Northbound. What part of the ARROW didn't make sense to this idiot.
  19. Joe, For what it's worth, remember that more than one B body would have used the same inner fender panels. So, the stamping could have been done for something needed by Olds or Caddy ( possibly even Pontiac ). It could have also been something put into the stamping design that ended up not being used at all. Cheaper to leave the press alone and not use it than to redesign the press.
  20. Could be a Special Riviera Wagon instead of a Caballero--3 holes not four.
  21. And, it's located in the Buick Gallery at the Sloan Museum in Flint, MI.
  22. Just a thought. Additional manufacturing processes cost money at the plant. BMD would have only authorized creating a paint mask and painting something if it was absolutely necessary, and most likly ONLY on very visible parts. I really can't see BMD paying workers to paint ( at that time even using a gun, it was a by hand process ) the back and sides of the teeth. But, I can see restorers doing that because of difficulties getting the chrome to flash evenly in those partially hidden areaa. Chrome plating moves in a straight line during the plating process, so plating between things can be very difficult to get perfect. And, perfect is WAY better than the factory would have had it. It is also, just slightly possible, that different series may have had different grilles or grilles on the fancier series may have had this by hand process and the cheaper cars did not. A lot of people paint the reverse side of bumpers, some even fill and then argent paint to make it "look good" even though the factory never did. This does sound like a good question to ask 57 owners to see if it can be documented one way or the other. And, by documented I mean other than opinions ( including mine ) and I remember whens...... Keith may be right and this could be one of those questions that can't fully be answered 50 years down the road. Good question--hope someone has the documentation and will provide an answer.
  23. Dave, You might want to give Goodyear Eagle LS or LSA a try. I'm running them on a 99 Riv and don't notice any tire noise. Not sure which without going out to check. High mileage, good fuel mileage with them and decent performance wet or dry. Having had two really bad experiences with Michelins, I'll stick with Goodyear.
  24. K, Didn't see Bryan/Crazy4abby's most recent deleted post. He seems to be someone who comes and goes. Wasn't he the guy a few months ago that was looking for someone to finance a "collector Buick" salvage yard that he could manage? Unfortunately, every forum seems to have to deal with bouts of vistors that seem to want to push the envelope in ways that do not reflect well on either the AACA or the BCA. Remember folks, your comments on here are visible to the world, making both friends and ENEMIES for the car hobby.
  25. Crazy4abby I lifted this from part of the AACA Forum rules. Your use of this and all forums constitutes acknowledgement of and intent to abide by the rules and guidelines of the forum. Posts of an abusive or provoking tone, containing vulgar or profane language, threatening, harassing, hateful, sexually oriented, or containing personal attacks, or that are considered offensive of otherwise inappropriate by the moderators will be deleted. Certain conduct could result in revocation of AACA membership as outlined in the AACA By-Laws. Forum users unwilling to comply with the requests of the moderators or who ignore these guidelines will be banned. Moderators reserve the right to limit the time that a thread may be run. Second point. Maybe my dictionary is missing some words, but I can't seem to find infeminate. Third point. In French, the word for car takes the article La as car is considered a feminine gender noun.
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