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  1. 51 minutes ago, alsancle said:

    Considering how those of us that pee on most of the cars we see for sale loved it,  and it was available for a long time publicly,  and BAT has a huge following:  61k for a nice eight cylinder 32 Caddy is retail.



    Please phrase it correctly........


    A 1932 Cadillac Fleetwood Cabriolet, very nice older restoration. Runs and drives well. Needing clean up but should be a fantastic tour car. Rare in the very definition sense of the word. A fun car to be proud of, and have instant fun, all for less than the cost of the chrome bill from twenty years ago. Cars like this are going to redefine the collecting hobby......and I have seen this many times in the last 12 months.....just not in public sales. Hang on to your asses boys..........it's going to be a bumpy ride to the bottom on cars that are not in the top two percent. This Cadillac is a "three percent" car.

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  2. 47 minutes ago, alsancle said:

    What a crime.  You should offer them 3500 for parts to use on your project.  It will never go back to the way it was.


    Even at ten grand, which is too much........it's probably the best option to get the car missing the doors and trunk lid back together. Even with the simple construction, making the doors and lid will easily take up ten grand in labor time if someone has the skills.......and save YEARS in the restoration process. Having all the extra parts would also be a plus. Its the rare instance where overpaying is the best way out.

  3. 38 minutes ago, alsancle said:


    Eddy,  I keep thinking I had a soft upbringing when you tell me about yours.



    No AJ, my upbringing was very comfortable, but the lessons of the depression were passed on the all the children. Hard work, no credit, hard work, no credit. And the most famous of the lines....."My roof, my rules....don't like it, get your own roof." My parents were the best, and did me the biggest favor you can do for a child......get your ass out of bed, go to work. 


    And the final lesson........"if you saw where your grandparents and parents came from..........you wouldn't be so proud." Years later we went back to where we were from in the north woods of Canada. I was flabbergasted at what I saw our cousins living in forty years later after my family got to Springfield. I will NEVER forget what I saw.........

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  4. Great thread...........I must admit.........we never "wasted" our time with something powered by gravity. I don't have any photos, but at 11 years old I built my first engine..........bought a Yamaha 2 stroke for ten bucks that looked like it went through a cement mixer.  I think it was going to be free but the old man wouldn't tolerate that so I had to give all my savings for it.  The deal with the old man was that only I could work on it..........without adult help. I could ask questions.....but that was it. I still remember the chain and sprockets were 76 bucks all in, and it took the whole summer working at 50 cents an hour to get the cash. Another lesson from the old man..........if you can't pay for it cash, you can't afford it. He was a smart guy.....smarter than most, and he managed to finished the 8th grade. He became the most successful of all his schoolmates............he self educated himself while raising a family and working two jobs. OLD SCHOOL.


    We did build "go carts" which were old sit down lawn mowers we could find or buy close to home. We used a hacksaw to "lighten" them up for racing.....drove them all through the woods like we were the Dukes of Hazzard......but then we saw our first tractor pull..........so we started our own sanction in the neighborhood. When we started using the "everyday lawnmowers" and they broke...............that ended the tractor pulls.

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  5. 1 hour ago, daniel boeve said:

    The car sold for 61.000 $ plus commision on BAT yesterday .The only thing i missed was seeing a adult person next to the car to see how big it was .



    That is a lot of car for the money. Since it's an auction, you can't say great deal.............but it is a strong indication of the current market. And it's going to take a while for people to realize what their car is actually worth.


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  6. Gary....I have a Walmart hot plate that provides all sorts of heat for the restoration process. We often will place a 3/8 thick piece of steel on it and use it as a surface  heater for components that are difficult to get apart. Just raising the temperature up to 300 degrees will most often make things come apart. Also keeps peace in the home as we are not working in the kitchen. We also have an old oven at the shop to heat up the larger items. 

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  7. Dave..... it was great fun having you down for the weekend. Dave and I have never met before this weekend. We found out we had many mutual friends, and many common interests. The highlight of the weekend was Dave driving the car. He also has a bunch of other interesting vehicles that we shared. It’s a great hobby when two strangers can meet,  and end up spending the weekend like they are long-lost friends. The White has been a fun project.  The best part of it is I now have about two dozen more car people in my life. Most of who, have gasoline in their veins. Dave was very gentle with the car, even though it is not yet free of defects. He respected it even though it was difficult to shift. While he was driving we were able to compare it to his 1915 V -8 Oldsmobile. Furthering both his and my education about early cars. I’m looking forward to new adventures and friends the White Motor Car brings into my life. I’m sure I’m gonna get out of it 25 times what I put into it. 👍


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  8. More fun......with the Peerless special tap and die tool kit, I was able to make the bolts that were missing for the horn. Next time I will start with parkerized bolts. Felt good to put the horn in place, and get it done right. Look close at the photo, and the hood hinge where it attaches to the cowl.....see the pin sticking out? That’s a quick hood release to remove the hood off the car. Quick and easy, one person can get the hood off......very convenient! Interestingly......the hood is marked with a different body number than the rest of the car......it’s off by three............someone must have swapped them out back at Rubay when the cars were in primer.


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  9. Success with the new tap and die kit from Peerless..........made two bolts for the horn. Need to get some bolts with a correct parkerized finish to work with. Two of my taps are broken.....and need to be ground. Since they are made of unobtainum I will ask Joe P to grind them for me. 


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  10. 1 hour ago, nzcarnerd said:


    The beginning of the story is here - the story is mostly 1915-16 but I guess it was ongoing - but the visible plate on the White car on the right of the photo is 1917 (what state is that?). Were the plates issued mid year to mid year as they were here in NZ?



    It ran till 1918. They toured all the bases looking at equipment and the men coming over. There is a book documenting the tour......with lots of photos.

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  11. 1 hour ago, Amestryyz said:

    Tim......my 1917 White uses USS which was more common back then, but virtually non existent today You need to figure out exactly what you have I am currently doing research on it will come back and give you depth detail on this...thank 

    What do you have for a 1917.....car or truck? 

  12. I could change the valve cover gaskets........but since they are 103 years old.......I rather have the bragging rights and some leakage. I’m not sure replacing them will even slow it down by half. 

    The letter above from Kevin who has known the White for more than fifty years came over to the shop yesterday, and not only gave me that great letter, he told me about the second owner of the car in detail. He owned the car for 68 years, and refused all offers to sell......it only left the garage after the funeral. He owned countless cars and bikes, he truly was a prolific early collector buying his first Bugatti in the late 30’s. He had the White by 1939 or 1940. He actually drove it as a daily driver in 41 & 42. He parked it and never drove it from 42 to 52. He started to service the car in 51/52 and never finished. It ended up in the corner of the garage from 1952 to 2006. It was in good storage. Also, I was correct with the damage to the leather.......the car was fine in the early 70’s and 80’s. Kids playing chauffeur did the damage around the turn of the century.  Keith has owned a bunch of pre war cars, but his heart is in the speed cars from 1910-1915. He owned a White for quite a while and sung its praises. He was all smiles to get in and go for a drive. He instantly evaluated the car and it’s gearing, and commented how great it went down the road. There is an AACA tour in his neighborhood in April, and I was planning on attending. Kevin will now drive the White, and I will drive whatever he gives me......he’s thrilled to get a chance to finally get some windshield time in a car he has been chasing for over forty years. With luck, more information will come to light when I speak to the wife..........time will tell.



    UPDATE: The asking price for the Type 44 was 3500.00 in 1973. It sold last year for 400 thousand at Amelia in Florida.

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  13. Gary......I agree for a garage project that set up is fine.....only one problem........I don't have the talent or experience to do good work. I would need to make 20 bolts to get five decent ones..........maybe we can get you into the 3 D printing, casting, and custom bolt business............help pay for the Stude!👍


    Having a classicial engineering background such as you have, and all of it's practical applications is a HUGE advantage for fabrication and design. When we were racing, we always had guys who couldn't tune a carb or ignition, but they could fabricate anything needed out of scrap and make it look like NASA made it. This hobby just has so many unusual skill sets it boggles the mind.

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  14. On 11/16/2020 at 3:37 AM, Great War Truck said:

    Thanks. I will give them a try.


    They don't fit correctly because of the thread angle...........it seems 55 is not correct......we tried Whitworth as we stock it here in out shop for Rolls Royce cars..........it just damages the threads and will not tighten. I used the Peerless set to make some bolts today, and it worked fine. 

  15. I can't imagine it matters.......even if you use an acid etching paint........it is going to vent and not eat away at anything. I think hard water is probably what destroys most radiators. They end up having a positive electric charge making the system a low voltage battery, and over YEARS I'm sure that could have an effect. 

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  16. 19 hours ago, alsancle said:



    Wow.  Sold for $154,000!


    That is very strong money for an older restoration Newmarket in debatable colors.  


    Trying to figure out the market today is difficult at best..........can't explain that number. Only one thing is for certain. Every time I sell something the guy who shows up and over pays never comes my way........

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