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Neat car……get a saws all and cut off the trunk rack and spot lights.- 3
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Someone is gonna flit it at Mecum!
I smell a rat……why so early would two people battle it out? I don’t buy it. Looks like shill bidding to me.
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Another easy restoration!
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I rather pay 100k for the 34 Matt posted, than 7500 for the rusty and incomplete non parts car in the auction.
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On 2/4/2024 at 11:52 AM, Morgan Wright said:
I'm 68 and don't drive my 106 year old Buick much for fear of wrecking it.
Like they say, "They can always make new people (babies) but they can't make new 1917 Buicks"
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2 minutes ago, alsancle said:
I’m thinking 10k plus
It's possible someone would pay that just for the garage art aspect.......hard to tell.
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Wayne didn’t mention the machine had burned…….severely……thus Yachtflame! Don’t let him pull your leg, Barbara did most of the work!I was very fortunate to have been a guest on that yacht, it was a wonderful experience.
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Heat burns everything out, and the only thing that remains is carbon. I have done this countless times over fifty years. The photos I posted are of an original low milage Duesenberg…….I wouldn’t gamble a historical artifacts safety or function. Just bake/broil them for a few hours…..clean them with brake clean afterwards…..and then rebake them. Presto…..as good as new.
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It's interesting..........I have played with and driven Buicks from 1915 to modern cars......I have NEVER driven a Buick that wasn't fun, a decent driver, and just overall a very decent car.......Can't say that about Cadillac, and a bunch of others. In the marketplace they offer very good value. And to be honest......EVERY Buick guy into pre war cars are friendly and helpful. I have found help and parts in just days on almost impossible to get parts......and all at very reasonable prices. I would have been active with Buicks earlier if I had known. In the unlikely event the 34 goes away........I will buy another. Probably earlier........
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Originally I was going to use the name my loved ones call me.......but ASXXXXE would get me more warning points...........so I picked something easy so people would remember me.
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It's most interesting to contemplate this car from the viewpoint I had at 20 years old. I would have wanted the car back then. And overlooked every single of the thousands of issues it has. Fast forward to being old and knowing better. I'm running out of time and enthusiem when it comes to big projects. Hell.....if it was a Model J I would try to buy it, but I would never attempt to move the project forward. Here is where the car snob issue comes into play...........it's not rare enough or special enough by ten miles to make me want it. If it were a huge brass car....I would be all over it. Priorities shift as time passes. And in 1934 Packard club sedans.........I rather have the Super 8 over the twelve. We should start a pool for 20 bucks.........selling price, and fate of the car. Problem is if someone out there has a good car that's finished with a frozen or split block.......the car is worth a bunch to them. Time will tell......
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1 minute ago, pmhowe said:
"The trick is to live long enough and stay healthy and wealthy enough to enjoy the windfalls when they occur. I'm ready for a $10k 12 cyl. Packard,,,"
I totally agree. I am going to grab the first $10k well-sorted 12 cylinder Packard I see. Plan B, of course, is to buy an occasional lottery ticket.
You can buy a very nice running and driving V-12 Packard for less than half the cost of a 3500 series diesel pick up truck today….- 6
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I had investigated the background on the car……plugs were left out of the engine in the 40’s. It was going to take too many hours to make this one go……..I really liked the look it had. By the time you have it running, it wouldn’t be true to the photos. It went for twice what I was willing to pay.
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39 minutes ago, pkhammer said:
The Packard is up to a whopping $202 with five days to go. Anybody want to venture any guesses as to how much it'll sell for? I say $8,500.00.
Figure in shipping of say, 800 miles. I wouldn’t give 2500……..fuel, food, hotels just to start if you pick it up yourself. Add in storage, and look close…..it isn’t going to roll. Time to cut it up and inventory it. There isn’t really much there….its very rusty. All the glass is missing in the lights, all the lights are junk……- 1
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As a young guy, early on I tried to drive every pre war car I could get my hands on. Managed to drive most of the legendary stuff……..and some super rare and exotic ones as well. After a while, one can predict the feel and driving envelope of the car. Usually most are not well sorted, so it can give a false impression of how good it really is. Today, I’m interested in drivability………something that can be safe and keep up with modern traffic. Only car I own that doesn’t fit this requirement is my T. As I age, I can accept post 1932 stuff more than I did years ago…….but 1939 is about the end of the world for me now.
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Last few weeks………..V-16………oil pan and transmission overhaul. Just add time and dollars. Forty years of experience doesn’t hurt either. I’m getting too old for this heavy work. Flywheel wasn’t too bad, but the double disk clutch must have been 120 pounds, and with only one arm it felt like a ton. (Thanks Phil) The transmission tipped the scales at 490 pounds. Oil pan was one piece cast aluminum, fifty inches long, and 45 pounds. Worst part of the job? Someone glued the oil pan on twenty years ago with super goop. It took fifteen hours to get the pan off without cracking the casting. There are only 32 known late series over head valve V-16s left today. (No torque tube.)
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Unfortunately, early cars seep…..and some leak. We tried to make one particular car 100 percent tight…..(1936 Pierce V-12) Spent a bunch of time and money to try and make it totally dry during a frame off……..it didn’t work.
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I only look at pre war cars……and I see lots of stuff that is reasonable or under the money from what I would expect. That said, you need to pull the trigger in ten seconds, not ten days. And you need to be willing to gamble a bit. When I was young and broke, I couldn’t gamble…….now with some disposable income, my desire for more cars is cooling off. Having been in the pre war world so long, I get lots of calls and e-mails before cars are offered publicly……and that helps a bunch. I think the availability and affordability of most pre 1970 automobiles is going to astound people over the next decade.
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Hope that helped you out.........Ed
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1 hour ago, West Peterson said:
2,458 in 1916
Five times more than I would have guessed.......
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1 minute ago, Ben Bruce aka First Born said:
Well, gee whiz! Since this is a "parts car" and not worth much, perhaps a [ gasp ] street rod. I know, blasphemy! But better than the CRUSHER!
Ben
Someone already made a "rod" out of an identical 100 point 12 about 15 years ago. Also recently done to a Pierce Arrow production silver arrow. It's too rough for the rod guys....look at the front doors literally falling apart. Its coach built.......and I bet more than 50 percent of the wood needs replacement. With very little demand for parts, there is no realistic way to sell the car at a number that would be expected by most sellers. Market dynamics are changing across the board on ALL old cars......not just pre war. Demand for cars is on a downhill slide.......so supply will almost always exceed demand from now on. People who wanted a Buick can now easily afford a Packard.........so the entire market will feel downward pressure in ways hard to predict.........buy what you like, and then you don't have to worry about it.
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Packard Twelve Club Sedan at Auction
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Almost impossible………