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The 200 series cars were built at Mannheim which was bombed to oblivion so no records. The 500k/540k/770 were built at Sindelfingen which did not get hit as hard so the records exist. You should still try as sometimes they have it anyways.

Get it running and you will do better than my original guess. That is a neat car. Even the small MB is expensive to restore with all that wood and leather.

Without pictures very hard to say. A full restoration on that car is 200k plus with a good shop. I'll guess around 50k. Are your comps for a 200 or a 230? Also, there is a big difference depending on exactly the body. Comparing to a 230n Cab A is apples and oranges.

If you have bias ply tires sitting in the same spot for a long time (more than a month or two) can cause a flat spot. In my experience as soon as you cover a mile or two the flat spot is gone so I don't jack my cars up for the winter. There is also some consideration to getting the car off the springs.

That really neat big 8 convertible coupe only brought around 50k a couple of years ago and that was a real body. I'm going to say around 15k depending on the quality of the metalwork and how it looks outside.

Chuck's dad Max Hamilton owned the one off Dietrich bodied Royale for many years. He purchased the car from an ad in the Wall Street Journal in 1960 and owned the car into the 1980s when it was sold to Alden "Peach" Thomas whose dad was the Reo Chief engineer. Alden Thomas had the car restored in the 1980s to its original colors (or close).

Good call guys, I jumped the gun with the Blackhawk id.

Just to clarify my previous comments. The car is a Blackhawk based on the engine (flat head straight 8) which was a distinct but lower priced line from Stutz sold under the "Blackhawk" name. Usually referred to as "Stutz Blackhawk". The SV16 (Single overhead cam) and DV32 (double overhead cam) and also a 6 cylinder Blackhawk were also built. I don't have my book in front of my so maybe somebody else could chime in because I didn't think there was Blackhawk production in 31 so maybe this car is a 30? You need the serial number to get the year right. I notice it is right hand drive also, are you in Australia or England? The RHD will require a discount in the U.S. market as would a new body.

A 8 cylinder Blackhawk (as opposed to a OH cam SV or DV) is a rare car. I'm not sure about that windshield as all the factory bodies would be flat. I would carefully inspect the construction as this would be the body to reproduce. New wood everywhere would lend one to think that.

A picture or two would be exceedingly helpful. The serial number would also be very helpful, it is located on the right rear frame horn where the bumper mounts. If the bumper are on the car you will have to remove it to get the serial number. Of course, paperwork with the serial number may be easier. Does the engine happen to have two banks of aluminum covers on top or one?

That is my theory but with out the chassis number if the car in NZ no way to prove.

It is hard to get insurance for above what the insurance company feels is reasonable market value. A long relationship with the insurance company and no claims will make it easier. But if you are coming off the street they are going to be cautious.

Without pictures it is very hard but if it is really solid and 100% complete then my guess is around 3 or 4k. Running and driving 5 or 6k (but I guess this one isn't). You will see a couple of these sell every year but rarely do you see a restored one.] **Standard disclaimer that you will be underwater the second you start restoring it.

I think that this blue car which is presently in the Southwards museum in NZ is the Roehrs 540k. I emailed them a few months ago and never heard back.

Here is a picture of the car in the Southwards museum in NZ. http://www.southwardcarmuseum.co.nz/

What is the weight difference between a Zephyr and a Continental? The latter has a reputation for being a dog but the styling is certainly very nice.

Nice car! I would get rid of the bumper guards, hood ornament and trunk rack asap. Dutch Darrin would be with me 100% on the cleanup.

A real Packard Darrin should be fairly easy to identify as the Darrin body number is stamped all over the place and in sneaky spots. Like with most collector cars, one with history that ends sometime in the 1970s or 80s should not be valued as high as one that goes back 50 or 60 years.

Here is a better picture.

Dave, what year? Is it a 39? I have to say, my dad's car is the easiest, most comfortable, prewar car I have ever driven. It has overdrive so it just cruises on the highway. Never understood why they don't bring any money.

My dad has owned his 40 180 for about 55 years. Has driven it a lot. My brother used it for his prom. Anyways, not rattles and the doors have never popped open. I think the build quality reputation came from the Hollywood built cars. One thing I don't get, how does a 35 Auburn Speedster bring 1.2 million (an aberration for sure usually more like 500k) and decent Darrin Packards sell for 2-300k?

In the 1980s a guy in Washington State cast a dozen or so cowls. There are probably about that many reproductions floating around.

Both are great cars. PA maybe a bit more ?

Did you guys see this T speedster? http://www.bonhams.com/auctions/22174/lot/322/

Last unrestored Darrin I saw was about 10 years ago at Hershey. It was a 39 180 and went for around 200. I thought it was a decent deal at the time. The one off Rollston Sport sedan which looks like one of the 3 Darrin sedans sold last year for something a bit north of that. It had been restored about 30 years ago and needed to be done again.