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Sorry for your uncles passing. It’s cool that he owned all those years. Hot rods are very hard to value. Especially those that are not Ford.
Nonrunning is a big deal when you’re trying to sell a car. If you offered 20 K, I would think that would be all the money in the world for that. Maybe even 15 K.
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2 hours ago, Crusty Trucker said:
...Viet Nam I presume?
Yeah. I intended to say post war..
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2 hours ago, Peter Gariepy said:
Dad's first car was a 1946 Ford Convertible right after WWII. Mom was fond of it.
After the kids started rolling out my father went through a succession of random used cars. Studebaker Coupe, Studebaker Hawk, 1965 Ford Thunderbird, 1971 Pontiac Firebird, 1973 Corvette, 1977 Chrysler Cordoba, 1978ish Buick Regal, 1980ish Buick Riviera. His last before we took his driver's license away was a Chrysler Sebring Convertible.
He did some SCCA racing in northern Ohio and southern Michigan with the Firebird. I can attribute my love for cars not to the SCCA racing, but to the cars in the parking lot. (I wasn't allowed in the pits, I was too young).
I got my first car at 15 at my dad's prompting. A 1948 Chrysler New Yorker Club Coupe. It was sitting in the backyard of one of his clients. I dragged it home and drove it all through high school. I wanted a muscle car but my dad rightly talked me out of it.
All along station wagons for Mom. Mostly Buick and Oldsmobile. Her last car was of her choice, a Madza 323.I assume that club coupe was a straight eight? That would be pretty cool.
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Awesome!
I have never seen a 67 camaro with a column shifter. Was that even a thing?
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The entry price does not matter as it will be a rounding error on the restoration. These are insanely cool cars but also among the most expensive prewar car to restore.
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I don't suppose you can find any of the original wood? I'm sure he kept it somewhere.
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2 hours ago, 8E45E said:
I bet you still felt good being 'rebellious' like that!
Craig
An unlimited amount of time and money later I figured out he was right, if for the wrong reasons...
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24 minutes ago, Matt Harwood said:
A/C is a nice bonus but since it's so rare for an old car's A/C system to be operational (I'd say less than 10% of them actually work) that its appeal becomes more in terms of scarcity than value. It makes the car more attractive but I'm not sure there's much of a premium for it unless it's 100% operational. I wish I had a dollar for every time I asked a seller if the A/C worked and he said, "You know, I never tried it." Yeah, sure. That means it's broken. They're ALL broken. I try to price the cars as if they don't have A/C and let the next guy figure it out (which he won't).
You forgot the most common phrase of them all: "AC just needs a recharge".
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On 3/6/2024 at 8:16 PM, Ben Bruce aka First Born said:
I get a kick , sometimes, out of the way we working men and wealthier folks think.
All relative I suppose.
Ben
Ben, you will get as much fun out of your Buick as the guy that bought the Duesenberg. It is all relative. I always say the guy with the Model A is having as much fun as the guy with the Model J.
My point was simply that the car has a lot of needs that won't be cheap to fix.
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13 minutes ago, STEVE POLLARD said:
Did your Father influence the type of classic antiques that you own today ?
100%. In my 20s and 30s I had muscle cars. They are all gone now. Everything I have is pre-war.
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Welcome. The fuel issue could be vapor lock or a weak fuel pump or a crap in the tank. Start a stand alone thread and describe the problem as best you can. Post pictures of the fuel pump and the carburetor.
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17 minutes ago, 1912Staver said:
I have always used the + 40 % premium for 4 speeds. + 50% if a buckets, console and factory tach. It's been this way in my experience since the mid 1980's .
This is what I have always thought. Factory tach was why I bought my GTO even though the rest of the car was a POS. Not completely sure on the console as a man sized shifter coming up from the tunnel was a thing of beauty.
We need @Matt Harwood to tell us about the market for automatics and air conditioning. I'm hoping I'm wrong.
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3 minutes ago, 1912Staver said:
I expect the number of these ordered with a 4 speed is very small indeed. With the price of Mopar's from the sweet spot era { 1968 - 71 } way up in the clouds I have a feeling this one might sell for a lot more than would have been the case 5 years ago or so.
For decades, a four-speed was holy Grail for any muscle car. Price guides would tell you 10% premium which was BS. It was a lot more than that. Now I understand that automatics and air-conditioning is what brings the money.
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The other thing about my dad was that when I bought my REO basically called me an idiot because it was a closed car and those were parts cars to him. The fact that it was a one off Dietrich bodied car on a 148" wheelbase with a 74" long hood made no difference to him.
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9 minutes ago, TAKerry said:
When I was a kid, my next door neighbor had one of these, probably not the same drivetrain🤔, she was probably my grandmothers age. Every time I see one hot rodded up now all I can think of is 'this was an old lady car', LOL.
We had one across the street too. Guaranteed it wasn't the same drivetrain!
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I think we have this thread somewhere from a few years ago.
Anyways, I won the dad lottery. He was a lawyer by trade, but had a full garage at home and could do almost anything (if not as well as a professional). He was also very supportive of my brothers and I driving his cars. As a 17 year old I was tooling around in his Cord or my mom's XK140. I also followed in his footsteps with my appreciation for big prewar Classics. Somewhere around 20 years ago (he passed last year at 97) I started to know more than him (according to me) and that sparked some interesting arguments. He was from the "paint it bright and put whitewalls on it " generation of collectors from the 50s, 60s and 70s.
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My wild ass guess is that the clutch or flywheel is heating up and causing the problem. You can mess with the oil viscosity but I've had mixed results going to a heavier oil.
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36 minutes ago, West Peterson said:
Hmmmm..... if you replace the wood, that really affects the value negatively.... or so I've been told.
Depends. If you happen to own a 745 Roadster with an iron clad history going back 30 years then you are screwed with new wood. For this car it wouldn't matter.
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4 hours ago, Shootey said:
Aren’t time and materials the same no matter what the car is? What does $50000 get you on a Mustang?
I have a buddy who restored his 69 Mustang over 15 years. Did a bunch of work himself but also a lot on it was done by a shop at 50/hour. They had over 2000 hours in to the car. They did not pad their hours. Total cost of restoration was around 175K and that was with many parts bought over 35 years ago.
I just bought the last gallon of clear for my Royale for 750 bucks. The paint was 700/gallon. In the end we used almost 5 gallons of paint.
A high end shop using high end materials to the highest standards is going to result in astronomical costs. I feel like some of you are living in the 1980s with regard to costs.
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All RM Pebble Beach winners. Wonder what the encore will look like next year? Hard to top this.
The Delage is one of my all time favorite collectors cars. And I hate white on prewar cars!
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You guys are being tough! Am I missing something?
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59 minutes ago, Restorer32 said:
Please explain why it would cost $1 million to cosmetically restore this car.
Full wood job.
EDIT: Also, if you are going to bother to do it, it has to be to Pebble standards. That is not what people typically think of as a restoration. The word "restoration" means different things to different people. If the wrong shop touches that car, or the job is not done 100% correctly the end result is a car worth no more than what it is now.
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Orin, a few things:
1. The high price was justified by the over the top restoration. Restorations tend to mellow with time.
2. The first two results were stupid high for a standard eight.
3. Auctions give you a price for a particular car at that location in that moment. Different time and place, different bidders, different results.
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