29 Chandler

I work for Trader Joe's markets. Been there for almost 22 years. Started in the stores selling groceries and made my way into the corporate office in the IT department supporting the stores.

Sure does soud high! Are you sure there is not an extra 0 in there? 1924 was about the last year that Chandler made Clevelands. There were supposed to be a smaller cheaper version of the Chandler. Ford and Chevy did a better job in the market, so Clevelands became entry model Chandlers. My own 1929 Chandler is a decendant of the line. For the most part Clevelands are more rare than a Chandler, but not necessarily more desiarble. If you can get the car's serial number I can confirm the model and year for you.

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Here is a picture I meant to post earlier. Wish I could find cars with the Kingstons. I'll bet many were replaced with S-W units due to a lack of parts availability. It also seems that they were only on the maket for a very short time as mechanical pumps were soon the norm.

Might be the same one! my is a model 39-F with patd. dates from 1921 till 1924.

Ken what model Kingston do you have? I have one on my Chandler. I have only ever seen them on a Chrysler. I have a copy of an ad I can send you and some pictures of mine if you would like.

There is a great article in the current issue of "Skinned Knuckles" on water pumps. I don't have my copy handy, but there is a vendor in there who sounds like he can do a nice job on yours.

prowlers, Where are you? Running Chandler cars are very rare. Most are future projects or are in the process of returning to the road. I am working on a model 65 sedan. Chris

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A friend of mine sent me a picture of some cars on tour. He would like to know what they are. He wrote: "Taken in 1928-29 at NAS San Diego, the airplanes are Boeing F2B-1 fighters assigned to VF-1B. The car in the foreground carries a sign on the windshield that reads "Flagship". The placard above the license plate reads something illegible, then "Silver Fleet" which is repeated on the flag on the left hand running board. On the back of the photo is a hand written notation that indicates the cars were visiting the NAS during their transcontinental tour. What kind of cars are they and what was the nature of the tour? Any help would be most welcome." If anyone you have any clues we would love to hear them. Thanks,

Thanks Brad I just emailed him.

I am so glad he won. Jim is a super nice guy and had such a great perspective on how the history of the company should be written. I spent a week a hershey with him a few years back before the book was published. His stories were wonderful to hear. We have asked him to write a similar book on the Chandler automibles. Not sure if he wants to take on another big project though. For those who have not read his book, do yourself a favor and find a copy!!

getting back on topic. Here is an article from today's paper about the new popularity of electric vehicles. I say the bloom is still fresh: "Electric vehicles generate buzz High-performance models planned include an SUV and sports cars. Enthusiasts are excited and skeptical. By John O'Dell, Times Staff Writer February 6, 2007 - 4 new models make list of 12 most environmentally friendly Environmentally friendly cars don't have to be slow and stodgy. ZAP, a Santa Rosa, Calif.-based importer of electric scooters and a small, short-distance electric car, aims to launch a 155-mph all-wheel-drive electric sport utility vehicle next year. If it comes to market, the $60,000 ZAP-X would join a select group of high-performance electric vehicles led by a two-seat sports car from Tesla Motors Inc. of San Carlos, Calif. The $92,000 Tesla Roadster is capable of accelerating from a dead stop to 60 mph in four seconds and has a top speed of more than 130 mph. A third Northern California start-up, Wrightspeed Inc. of Burlingame, has announced plans for a $120,000 electric roadster that boasts a zero-to-60 time of 3.8 seconds. Tesla and Wrightspeed have shown drivable prototypes of their vehicles. ZAP, which says its five-passenger electric SUV could accelerate from zero to 60 mph in 4.8 seconds, has not. The company ? its name stands for "zero air pollution" ? unveiled a concept version Saturday at the National Automobile Dealers Assn.'s annual convention in Las Vegas. Although all the parts were on display, the vehicle shown there to prospective dealers was not a working model ? that's still somewhere down the road, ZAP Chief Executive Steven Schneider said. The company's announcement has generated excitement and skepticism among enthusiasts, who are passing around details online at websites devoted to electric vehicles. "They've described an awesome car, but until it's in the showrooms, I'll be doubtful," said Paul Scott, a spokesman for Plug in America, a Santa Monica-based group that promotes development of hybrid-electric vehicles that use rechargeable batteries. "It would be great if this comes out, but I wouldn't hold my breath," said Kevin Riddell, a Troy, Mich.-based analyst who covers alternative powertrain systems for J.D. Power & Associates. "I'd be surprised if they could do all they say they want to do and bring it in at $60,000." Still, "the idea has legs," said Dan Hall, an analyst with market research firm AutoPacific Inc. in Tustin. Although his firm's research shows there is little public awareness of electric vehicles, Hall said, those motorists who have shown interest are attracted by the technology, and many would be willing to spend $60,000 "to have something like that to show off to the neighbors." ZAP, Tesla and Wrightspeed are counting on sales of their high-priced, high-performance models to help create enough interest in electric vehicles and generate sufficient cash to enable them to build lower-cost, mainstream models. ZAP already sells electric vehicles, but the publicly traded company has never tackled a project as ambitious as the SUV. The company last made a splash with its aggressive promotion in 2005 of plans to import the two-seat Smart car from Europe. But that effort was dashed when Smart owner DaimlerChrysler first would not sell cars to ZAP and then said it would bring the Smart to the U.S. itself next year. But CEO Schneider said his company was committed to delivering on its promises for the ZAP-X. The vehicle would use the all-aluminum Lotus APX concept body designed by Lotus Engineering of Britain. Electric motors would be mounted on each wheel in place of the conventional centrally mounted motor that other electric vehicles use. Schneider, accompanied by Lotus Engineering executives when he announced plans for the ZAP-X late last month, said eliminating the APX's internal-combustion powertrain and fuel system would create space to install an array of three battery packs for the car. "It will give the ZAP-X a 350-mile range on one charge," Schneider said. That would be tops for a high-performance electric production car. The Tesla Roadster claims a 250-mile range, the Wrightspeed a maximum of 100 miles." john.odell@latimes.com

"I think a hybrid discussion has no place on this board - they are neither antique nor classic, and you couldn't pay me enough to drive one of those things." There are pleanty of topics on this board that are not related to antique or classic cars. At least this topic is about cars. Pontiac59 given what we know about the state of the world today your comments, though popular with many individuals, highlight how far we still need to go to educate society about the damaging effects we as humans are having on our world. Hybrids/electrics give us hope that in the future car companies will be able to make cars that are fun to drive. My Honda Insight has everything going for it expecept that it has no back seat. It is fun to drive, efficent, and clean. My 1968 Mustang is fun to drive as well, but each has it's place in my driving schedule.

Maybe we should rewrite the HOV rules so that the cars in the HOV lane are really full as it relates to their size. I would add that this be done up to a point as to not encourage people to purchase big SUVs to abuse them by only taking them and their friends to work. When you look at the driving habits of most people here in California, there are a lot more single users of SUV's driving around compared to the small minority of hybrid drivers in the HOV lane. This in my humble opinion is really the problem. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/ooo.gif" alt="" />

Joe are you trying to tell us that the people in the DC area don't have enough sense to buy the car because it will save on emissions of green house gases?! I though the people in that area of the country were more up on current news. Come on give them more credit then that. I am proud to say that by driving my hybrid I am doing my part to promote progress in autmotive technology. And also to make sure that there is a future my son can look forward to. Hybrids are today's reality. Sooner or later everyone will be driving them. Kinda of like when the horse was replaced with the horseless carriage.

A real nice '27. Thanks for the post Peter. I missed that one.

The reserve was never met. The top bidder "Bidder 11" was under $6000. Far less than the asking price in Hemmings. I'll bet the car remains in Bakersfield a while longer. I wonder if the Chrysler drivetrain helped or hurt the value of the car? On one hand the car is a bit easier to find parts for to keep it running. On the other hand it is really not a complete Chandler. I wonder how the Chrysler drivetrain affects the car's performance, help or hurt it??

Hi Art, I just sent you an email with Roger's contact info. Make sure to contact Bryson too. Sounds like he has made a real find on getting new replacement heads for the Big Six Chandler. Look for his article on the subject in an upcoming Club Neswletter.

Jerry Hill has the parts to make this a complete Chandler if anyone is interested. I know Roger was bidding on this car, anyone else in the club?

Hi Jeff, I'll scan the whole brouchure and send it to you. Value will depend entirely upon how much someone is willing to pay. One of the great adavantages of a Chandler is the great Chandler drivetrain. It is also a great disadvatage to a prospective buyer as parts are very difficult to find as the entire drivetrain was made by Chandler for their cars only. As there are no catalouges to order parts from restoration and upkeep can be very challenging. When you go to a swapmeet and ask vendors about the avaliabilty of Chandler parts they often repond with, Chandler who? or Who made them? You are left you find parts on your own. Actually the hunt is more fun this way. There is also club support. We have a group of about a 100 people all over the world that own or have interest in these cars. I produce a Newsletter for the club that comes out three times a year. Dues are only $15 a year to cover newsletter costs. Inside there are a few pages of classified ads for Chandler specific items. This is a great place to start your hunt. To join contact Fred Hansen at: hansen.chandler@adelphia.net As for the $22k selling price, sounds good. You will not find any selling results as these cars (particularliy the Chummy sedan) do not come up for sale. Do you plan to keep the car or is this a restoration project to sell?

1923 Chummy Sedan with a with the new for 1923 Pikes Peak motor! See the attachment from a 1923 Chandler brouchure.

Just saw on the news last night that a set of lights from "Hobby Lobby" were just recalled for this very reason. Glad you caught them in time.

Jeff there are no shop manuals that I am aware of. Owner's maunual come up on ebal from time to time. From the factory the were parts manuals that listed all the parts for each car. These are very, very rare. If you send me the serial numbers and or pictures I might be able to help you ID the car. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Thanks Barry. I was wondering what that socket was used for. Now I know. I got a very good deal on these lights as they came with 12 brand new commercial bulbs. Worth the cost I paid for the lights alone. Thanks for the input on these. I expect to have a few left over if anyone on the DF is interested, otherwise I will post them on ebay when I am ready to move the extras out.