29 Chandler

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  1. Looking for a Jones speedometer cable to fit a model 25. Cable needs to be six feet in length.
  2. Thank you for sharing this. I really appreciate you sharing an example of another body made by this coach builder.
  3. Seeing some interest, hope a lower price helps find it a new home.....
  4. The story I have been told by the previous family was that the car came into their repair shop here in Southern California many years ago for a repair by a traveling salesman. The salesman dropped the car off and walked home. The car was repaired and the shop waited for the owner to return and claim his car and pay the $50 repair bill. The sedan was placed at the edge of their lot while they waited for the owner to return. After a while with no word from the anonymous owner, they moved the sedan to a building at the back of their property for "temporary storage". Fast forward (maybe a few years I never got a clear timeline) a young man comes into the shop holding a repair bill for $50 for repair of an antique car. The recipt had no details about what car was worked on or details about the shop. The young man was simply canvassing the shops near his dad's house looking for the car his dad owned. It seems his father died crossing the street on his way home from dropping the car off. The shop told the young man the car was in back and could be his after payment of the bill. The young man had no need for the car and left it with the shop where it remained hidden from the world until 2015 when the shop and estate were being closed. The previous owners took the engine, lights, and other items out and they were either sold or lost over the years. What we have today is a great starting point, but not a complete car. The 1920 update added front and rear exhaust heaters to the sedan. A windshield wiper, and a "Pullman" style front seat that folds flat with the rear seat to make a rather large bed that the traveling salesman must have used many times. The attached picture was found by the previous owner at a garage sale. The sale was in his neighborhood. The photo was on a postcard owned by the salesman's family. It was a lucky find and the only picture I have of the car in its complete state. Sadly the image I have is the only copy I have as the picture that was promised to me was never delivered.I can confirm this is a picture of the car as the metal box on the back was still on the car when we took ownership.
  5. The Lozier slogan of the time: "The Choice of Men Who Know. The slogan Chandler adopted: "Built By Men Who Know" Coincidence? I think not 🙂 Like Loizerman I am also a member of the Chandler-Cleveland Club and was fortunate enough to purchase the other 1914 Chandler model 15 touring at the Harold Wintz Estate auction. These early Chandler models were very different than the cars they evolved into as the company began to learn to make cars and innovations on their own.
  6. Hi Mike, Thank you for your question and it's a good one that may not be fully answered by me. It was be real easy if there were a body tag or number that I could cross-reference. I came to this conclusion, "hypothesis" if you will, through my research of the car. Walt's article was a key piece in that research. When first getting the sedan I spent some time cleaning and looking for further clues to its identity. After taking out the rear seat I discovered a small paper tag tucked in between one of the wooden ribs and the aluminum body. At the top of the tag were the words "Body No." written in pencil looked to be the date that was partially visible, but not enough to show the year. There was also a hand written number that might have been four digits long but not clear enough to read. Sadly once the body tag was removed from its hiding place, oxidation started to take its toll on the evidence. While the words Body No. are still visable the pencil markings are no longer able to be read. True story I could not make this up. I know that Chandler did not make their own bodies until 1915 and they looked quite different than what we have here. I have seen pictures of all newer sedan bodies for Chandler and they do not match at all. No other 1915 or earlier Chandler sedans survive according to the Chandler clubs register. The door style being rather curvaceous is near identical to our 1914 Chandler model 15. The door handles match what was on the 1913 Chandler model 13, though these were a common style on more formal cars of the period. The roof line with the added sun visor is a key styling queue that Willoughby did. I found this picture from 1914 taken at Ocean Beach near San Fransisco that looks just like the sedan body I have, but another chassis. This would be consistent with the research that Walt did. I am an active member of the HCCA here in Southern California and have had several of our members look it over and most agree with the conclusion I have come to. The HCCA does not have a requirement to pinpoint a body as many do not have a number on them. Model Ts go by their engine number. Our 1914 Chandler touring like many other cars had a number plate that is affixed to the side of the engine. I've heard the story several times that that body was sometimes kept by the owner and put on a newer or better chassis after the old one wore out. This might explain the six year newer chassis the body now sits on. In 1920 there was nothing like this left without going in for a fully coach built body. I would love to see this put back on the road someday, but I have finally come to the realization that it will not be by me. Too many other projects and not enough room. I hope someone will find this a project worth their time and effort and take it on. Let me know if you have more questions.
  7. Walt G I think we communicated about this sedan when I found your article online "Non-Classic Customs". I was very excited to find some information about these sedan bodies in your article. Here's a link for anyone who wants to learn more: Non-Classic Customs
  8. In th cars for sale section we are selling our 1914 sedan sitting on a 1920 Chandler Chassis. Hate to part with it, but our newest acquisition now takes priority and the spot in the garage.
  9. This sedan body was made by the Willoughby Company of Utica, New York around 1914 for some of the better known “non-classic” makes including Nash, Studebaker, and Chandler. According to a dealer promoting this sedan “The bodies were built to order by the Willoughby Company, considered among the best custom body builders of the country,” and that “cost was not taken into consideration.” This is probably the last of the Willoughby sedans of this type left. The body sits on a 1920 Chandler chassis, which includes all suspension and brake components, driveline from the transmission back. Wood frame surrounded by an all aluminum body. With this project you be able to tour year-round, out of the elements. New lower price.... Asking $4,500 OBO. Located in Southern California
  10. Hello Marie, Your dad will be missed. I am sorry we are not closer and we did not get a chance to meet in person. We really wanted to attend the Chandler party you hosted years ago. I can imagine you have your hands full settling the estate. After so many years in the hobby there must be so much to go through. Hopefully you have help. Hopefully the cars will go to a good home and the new owners will take as much care with them as your father did.
  11. Yes, I live a block or two away from his house. He was a great man. I met him several years ago after we purchased our 1929 Chandler sedan with its Westinghouse vacuum booster system on the mechanical brakes. My father-in-law knew of him as a reader of his magazine, Skinned Knuckles. He helped us learn more about the brake booster and did a series of articles on the restoration of the booster that he took on so he could show others how it was done. He will be missed by many and I regret that both my father-in-law and Bill are no longer around to share in the discovery of this old sedan.
  12. Thanks for your comments Wayne. The other side of the body has two doors and is the only way to access the front bench (fold down) seat. It makes it a pretty unique three door body. At this point we are just documenting what we have while we finish building a 1914 Ford Model T speedster that is our son's junior project on high school. He is in the "Math and Science Academy" at the local high school and will be the first to build a car for his junior project! Once that car is done I hope to have more room in the garage to get working on the sedan.
  13. Let me know if you find another, I will want to compare.
  14. Thanks for sharing that picture. In the time since starting this thread I learned that the 1913 body is different and I believe also right hand drive. I now believe that Willoghby made bodies for several makes of cars and possibly changed the interior appointments to meet the requests of the manufactures. It would appear that the same body was fitted to both Studebakers and Chandlers. So the more I learn about the sedans produced for other makes the more I will learn about the body I have which I believe was originally on a 1914 Chandler chassis. Thanks for all your help in learning more about what Studebaker had to offer in 1914.
  15. If it were me I would pull the pan and clean it out from there and continue to use non-detegernt oil in it.
  16. I found this on Coachbuilt.com: "After his graduation from Hamilton College in 1909, Willoughby's son Francis Daniel (aka Fritz) Willoughby (b.1887-1955) was first apprenticed to several competitors and upon his return took over the plant, eventually assuming the presidency upon the death of his father in 1913. The next year, Willoughby secured an order from Studebaker for more than 1,000 bodies – its largest order ever and its first million dollar contract. To make the order, the company had to rent outside space and double its workforce from 150 to 300 employees. In 1914, a skilled laborer’s hourly wage ranged from 50 cents to 85 cents an hour, putting Willoughby’s weekly payroll at over $10,000 per week." So this body may be one of the thousand built.
  17. Thank you studeq. In 1914 Chandler did the same thing and by luck also worked with Willoughby. So it is intirely possible that this body may have been put on either a Studebaker or a Chandler in 1914. If you run across any other 1914 sedan pictures please share them.
  18. Its been quite a while since I made this post and there has not been much response from the Studebaker community. I can only guess there are not many sedans from this ears out there. I really would like to hear from some early Studebaker experts out there to help me confirm or deny that this is a Studebaker body. Any help you can offer is very much appreciated.
  19. I have seen that picture. My body has much more wood trim on it and the windows are much different. Thanks for the input though.
  20. The chassis is confirmed as being 1920 Chandler, but the style of the body is at least five years older. I even have a picture of it from 1921 with the same body on the same chassis. Seems like no work was done to it since then, at least nothing to improve its condition until we got it this year and have cleaned it up and now want to figure just exactly what we have. I did find a number stamped into a floor board and then found that number printed on a piece of paper that was labeled "Body No.". Most of the numbers I found stamped on the wood match the numbers that can be seen on whats left of the body number tag. It is made of paper and just barely survived that last 100 years. It even has what looks like the year of the body written on it "10-29- ". The year part is missing!!! Looking back at the calendar it could have been 1914 and landed during the work week.
  21. Yes the body is all aluminum. It looks very much like pictures of a 1913 Studebaker sedan, maybe there were others with the same body. In 1914 Chandler came out with a sedan body from Willobghy, but I have yet to see pictures of one.
  22. I cannot find any name plates on it. It sits on a 1920 Chandler chassis, but the body is older.
  23. I am just wondering if there are any 1913 or 1914 Studebaker sedans out there? I have a sedan body sitting on a 1920 Chandler chassis that I believe is from 1914, but I am not sure of the maker of the body. Internet searches for a body that looks like mine come close to one from Studebaker. Are there any actual cars left or pictures of these cars that you can post? Here is a picture of my sedan body and a picture of the 1914 Studebaker sedan I found on the Internet: