29 Chandler

Thanks Mike You might say Harold has been whispering to me. I would love to come up and help with your two Chandlers. Just promise we can go for a ride in your Lozier.

MikeC5 thanks for your added information. I wanted to double-check my facts as I don't want to spread any false information about this engine. I finally found a line in one of the the original brochures that refers to the crankshaft bearings like this "Liberal sized bearings of white bronze." The men who designed and built the Chandler car were a group of seven men (executives) who worked for Lozier. They knew how to make well built luxury motor cars, but at Lozier they were not allowed to make a mid-priced car that could compete on a grander scale in the market. The Lozier Model 77 is what my car was modeled after. They left Lozier and founded Chandler. Our 1914 Chandler is one of the few left that represent what Chandler first produced before they started designing and created new designs and engines. Below is an early 1913 Chandler ad that tells more about the first Chandler cars.

No babbit here. This is a pressure feed and dip system and meant to be run with very low pressure, In fact for the driver there was no gauge or sight glass for you to use. To check for oil flow you were expected to open the hood and look at the small sight glass on the side of the block. The added gauge is a nice add on. I am replacing the modern gauge with one from a Chandler of the 1920's. Still modern for the car. Here is the difference in the oil pump before and after. Quite a difference, you can see through the screen now. We have had the car for about a year now and it has always run very well, a testament to the previous owner who cared for it for almost 60 years.

Thanks email sent to Olson's for the crush gaskets which my parts manual says I need 12 of.

Interesting I did not know there was supposed to be a gasket there, more research to do. Incidentilaly the engine I am working on is a Chandler and Williams made the wrenches that Chandler recommended to its customers. I am looking at buying a Williams #471 adjustable spanner wrench (3/4" to 2") as the diameter is 2".

Thanks guys, now I know what to look for.

Looking for some hose clamps like in the attached picture. ID is 1 1/4" for the hoses. Thanks

In order to clean and lap the valves on this 1914 engine I need to remove these caps. There must have been a common tool for this purpose. Can anyone share a picture of one or let me know what it is called?

Thanks for the reply Mike. I did check the side clearance on them and all where 0.003 tp 0.005. Got the pan back on and oil back in this week. Car started right up. The previous owner had added an oil pressure gauge that seemed to work most of the time with a box of 5 psi at times. We really never knew how much oil pressure to expect as the owners manual does not give a rating. After the engine warmed up we saw between 3 and 10 psi on the gauge depending on engine speed. So thankful that we took off the engine pan and cleaned it out!

A few more pictures. Chandler used three imported chains to drive the cam, generator, water pump/magneto. Hope I never have to replace those.

Doing some regular maintenance on my 1914 Chandler Light Weight Six. The engine pan is an enormous 40" long aluminum casting. I have cleaned the entire pan and now sealed the inside with Glyptal and sealed the outside with POR-15 aluminum engine paint. Now before I put the pan back on I figure that now is a good time to inspect the bottom end. A little background here on this particular car. From new it has about 16k miles. The previous owner restored the car in 1960. I don't believe much has been done since then except tours and routine maintenance. My goal is to clean it up and seal the pan to try and prevent oil seepage. When I dropped the pan the oil in the pan was in pretty good condition. I expected a lot of sludge, but was happy there was not much. Aside from some old gasket material I did not find any traces of metal in the pan. I have looked at the cylinder walls and all are smooth with no scoring, yeah! It was suggested that I check the rod journals while I have the pan off. On initial inspection each has a bit of movement fore and aft on the crank. Before the pan was removed the engine was running smooth and quiet. I took the family for a 30 mile drive around town before I started the tear down for the pan cleanup. What should I check before putting the pan back on on the bottom end? Here are some picture of the project so far:

So today I spent part of the day removing the studs around the engine pan.With the added thickness of the string there was no way to slide the aluminum pan off. So with jam nut and a lot of patience I was able to remove the pan, probably for the first time in 60 years. Very glad I did as the metal screen that serves as the filter for the oil pump was pretty clogged with dirty oil. The good news is the rest of the engine look to be in perfect shape. The cylinder walls have a nice glassy polish. The sediment in the pan was really not too bad either. On another note is also looks like there is not a gasket for the engine pan. I'll double check my parts list for 1914-1915 Chandlers, but I don't remember seeing one listed.

Thanks I'll be using a modern sealant when I put the engine pan back on. Hopefully it will do a better job than the string.

Here's a picture of a stud with the string wrapped around the stud under the lock washer. There has been oil dripping down each one of these studs for quite a while now, hence part of the reason for taking the pan off. I also am very curious to see how the bottom of the engine looks. It was probably last taken off in the early 60's when the car was completely restored.

No, this is a short piece of string wrapped around each stud. There is no gasket, just gasket sealer.

I am working to remove an aluminum engine pan off my 1914 Chandler. All of the studs have a short piece of string under the lock washer. Was this there to help seal the stud or maybe to protect the aluminum face of the engine pan?

Agreed, that is what I am compiling now for owners that are sending me their information. The personal information will be private and not listed on the public site. Car information, counts per year, total cars in the registry, etc will be available for anyone to see. Including as many car pictures as I can get. Thanks to all of you for your feedback and links to some great sites, I never would have found some of these without your input.

Thanks I'll give it a look. Any tips for one getting ready to build one? I should note I also am the webmaster for our local chapter of the HCCA so this is not my first stab at building out a website. SoCalHCCA.com

What size do you need? I found one for my 1914 Chandler on Amazon. It is used for Italian bicycle pumps.

What are some good marque specific car registry websites out there? I am familiar with the Cole website and all the great information and stories that are available there. I am looking to build one myself for a marque that does not have an Internet home yet. As a starting point I am trying to build out a list of surviving cars and owners. Over the years I have been collecting memorabilia and literature that I will use to tell the story of these cars. I have some ideas to feature on the site: Gallery of cars with information about year and model History page to summarize the history of the company A place for current owners to "register" their car with us if only to gather info and keep track of which cars are left. A page to help future owners determine what year and model their car is. A place to showcase ads, pictures, and memorabilia, etc. Maybe you have some suggestions of pages that could/should be part of a marque specific website. One thing I will not have available is contact information for each of the cars in the registry. Owners and their car's location will be private.

I am trying to get the word out that I am restarting the Chandler-Clevand Registry. Our small club is pretty much defunct these days and I am hoping to at least keep the shell of the group together and the list of cars centralized. I have emailed many of the owners that I know about and posted my story on the Chandler Cleveland Forum (https://forums.aaca.org/topic/340886-new-chandler-cleveland-registry/). Just hoping with this much bigger audience to get a few more owners pointed in my direction. Thanks for reading and sharing the news. Our 1914 Chandler in 1969 at the Cedar Rapids IA AACA show

About 10-15 years ago I took over the registry of owners of Chandler and Cleveland motor cars. I passed those duties off to other Chandler-Cleveland club members who maintained the list after me. I have not seen updates in awhile, so maybe it's time to give the Registry a fresh start. My short-term goal is to collect information to put together a list of all of the surviving cars from the Chandler-Cleveland factory. Ideally this would identify the cars by: Car serial number (VIN) and motor numbers where available pictures information about the options with the car current state/condition any history the present owner is willing to share I am particularly sensitive about sharing publicly, contact information about the owners and where you live. In this day and age personal security of private information is a hot topic and one I will not compromise. At the same time it's really important that we keep in touch and share our information about our cars to help those that are trying to put their car back on the road or those who are just seeking information that is unique to our make of automobile. John Lackey did a fine job compiling his book on our cars and giving all of us a reference source that we can all use. If you don’t have a copy make sure to get a copy and read it cover to cover like I have. Its required reading for any Chandler-Cleveland owner. Now it's time to keep the ball rolling. We need to keep track of the cars and see what we can learn collectively about what is left of the hundreds of thousands of cars the factory produced. Hopefully we can document 100 or maybe 200 cars. With your support I would like to create a website dedicated to Chandler-Cleveland cars focused on the cars, memorabilia, and history of the company. There are other makes who have a website dedicated to their orphan cars as well. I plan to study them and see what I can model for our version. But that is in the future after we are able to get the Registry updated and going again. So here it is my first “official” request that you share information about you and your car(s). I promise to accurately and securely document your car for the Registry. Respond to this thread with details about your car(s). Pictures would be great and will help document what you have. I know from past experience how valuable pictures are to accurately document the details about a car and to validate what we believe to be correct whether that to be the year or model we have. I have attached a Registry form you may fill in and return and a reference sheet to help determine were your car’s serial number is and what it is. Please "private message" me to add your car information. Thanks

What are the dimensions? I am missing one from our 1929 Chandler 6

We'll I guess I'll be the first to respond. Our car is a 1914 Chandler Model 15, one three known to survive, but the only one on the road. The car was last restored in the early 1960's by the third owner for the second owner and has been carefully maintained ever since. We are fortunate to be the fourth caretakers of this car and could not be happier.

This project is going to a new home in NY.