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  1. Here is. my completed 1911 Stoddard Dayton Pacemaker group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/656795262321615
  2. I have some questions on the Stoddard Dayton Pacemakers used at the Indy 500. There seems to be a mix-up on which cars are which, but fortunately there are a few photos with dates to help ID them. All three of the cars were Roadsters, that much I know. The placement of the headlights are the give-away to identify the cars and year they paced the race. In 1911 the headlights appear to be mounted on the front frame rails and there is a license plate. In 1913 the headlights are higher, and have a crossbar between them. In 1914 the headlights are even higher, with the cross bar, but also have a front license plate on them So could someone tell me why the differences as I've seen photos where the 1911 has a cross bar, and photos from 1913 where the headlights are in the same position as in 1911. Some references state the 1913 and 1914 races were paced by the same carm especially since Stoddard did not make any cars in 1914. The photos look like two differebt cars. Lastly, it is not known what engine was used in the cars, especially if the 1913 or 1914 used a Knight engine. Anyone know? Here are some photos: The first three are from the 1911 race-easy to identify the year as it was the only year the Pacemaker car was located in what is now known as the "Pole Position". The first three are from 1911, the next two from 1913, the next 4 are from 1914 The 10th picture is of a car that is said to be the Pace car, but although it was a Stoddrd Dayton it is not a roadster and the track is dirt. And the last picture is of the 1911 Stoddard Dayton found at the Speedway museum. Obviously again not a roadster. The last picture shows Carl Fisher, Pace Car driver and owner of the Speedway in a Stoddard Dayton with the same license plate seen on the 1914 Roadster. Can anyone make sense of all this for me? Thanks
  3. I am researching the various Indy 500 Pace cars. When I finish a year I create a group hoping for corrections, comments, new info, etc. Here are my Mopar related Pace Car groups. Looking for original spreadsheets with the parade cars used at the track listed. I have many, but need others. Collecting VINs and other info for a master dat
  4. I am researching the various Indy 500 Pace cars. When I finish a year I create a group hoping for corrections, comments, new info, etc. I just completed the 1927 Lasalle Roadster Pace Car info. On to 1919 Packard-which I do not have a lot of info yet. https://www.facebook.com/groups/252418687751668
  5. 1927 Indy 500 : Stutz Official Car for the Director of Public Safety
  6. I am researching the various Indy 500 races and found this picture I believe is not labelled correctly. Just prior to the 1927 Indy 500 the Stevens Challenge race had its innaugural run . There were only three cars at the event, all Stutzs. The race was clearly spelled out to be for strictly stock closed cars to run for 24 hours. Obviously, Stutz cars came in 1st and 3rd The third car at the event was an open car so not eligible, a Blackhawk speedster which was there just for testing. Stutz made a big deal about winning this race in the advertising of the day. This picture is attributed to the race and I believe is nt correct. For one, the lead car is a dual cowl car. It is definitely at Indy but for what event. Stutz did not have any race cars at the 1927 event but did supply a car to one of the AAA Officials. Does anybody have any info on this picture?
  7. I've had a number of Allantes and Reattas. The Reatta is more timeless, and like anything the later years are preferred. I refurbish 90-93 Allantes and have owned a few hundred in the last 20 years. There are a few "go to" parts sources like the Reatta, they are not that hard to work on, and I like having a hardtop for the winter. Not the easiest car to sell, but many of the "known issues" are not issues at all, such as the difficulty folding the top. And I am a big guy and fit in it better than the Reatta.
  8. On the drivers door there is a decal with the VIN and date. What is the date? The cars are usually at the track in April. Here is my info on the 1983 Buicks: https://www.facebook.com/groups/290229053215374
  9. Here is a Facebook Group on the 46 Pace Car. It still exists with a very long time owner. https://www.facebook.com/groups/2533559130192053
  10. I am researching the various Indy 500 Pace Cars and just completed the 1925 Rickenbacker Pacemaker. Very difficult as not only is there not a lot of info, there are also not many of these cars left. And was the Pacemaker an actual Rickenbacker 8, or a Rickenbacker 6 with lettering to promote the Vertical 8? You decide. When I complete a year I create a Facebook group to collect corrections, additions, etc. (Sorry for those who do not have Facebook, but it is the easiest way for me to share) https://www.facebook.com/groups/818364349292200
  11. Back in 1991 I bought a 1990 Reatta with an underdash fire. Found a harness from a wreck and things didn't work. Ends up there were three different harnesses and you needed the papertag to ID which one you had. That papertag was burned, so the car was used to fix a wrecked converible. I also had a real early 88 and there were some differences between what made production. Good luck!
  12. When these cars were new I used to get $750 a piece.
  13. Finished the research on the 1983 Riviera Pace Car https://www.facebook.com/groups/10012786874
  14. That is a very good site but does not have the info I am looking for-thanks
  15. The museum at the Speedway has just about zero info on the various Pace cars. the book actually came about as a result of a few of us trying to gather as much information as possible to give to the museum. Looking for the assignment sheets, VINs, documentation, etc for all years. We have completed a little more than half thus far. We have just about all the info to include all the Replica and Festival assignment VINs from 1990 on with the exception of a few years. Missing a lot of the 80s but do have 84, 86, and 88. Need the others, as well as 72, 76-79. Any help is appreciated Nice pictures from the track!
  16. Camera hole and flag holes can be seen here
  17. Here is a photo of three Riviera Festival Cars and an Indy Hauler truck
  18. I am researching the various indy 500 Pace Cars for an upcoming book and have some more questions on the 1983 Riviera. Buick made three two tone Rivieras for the track. Two had the twin turbo and were the actual pace Car and back up. There was a camera hole in the right taillight for an on board camera. The third was actually an 82 that was converted to be used as a photo car-it did not have the twin turbo engine nor the camera hole but otherwise looked identical. This one was at Briggs Buick in Kansas about 2010 but it may have been sold-anyone know where it is now? Of the other two, one is in the Sloan Museum. I do not know what happened to the other. Race winner Tom Sneva got a Riviera, but not the pace car (and he still owns it). So where is the other car? I have read Jay Leno bought it, but have not found one shred of evidence if this is true or not. Buick made 500 Riviera XX two tone replicas for sale to the public (plus the two track cars, so 502). I have VINs for about 125 of them and it appears they were made in batches with consecutive VINs, Thirty of these cars were sold in Canada. Buick/GM also supplied 300 vehicles to the track. About 150 were cars, with just over 60 Rivieras. the 500 Festival Directors and USAC and Track Officials received white with maroon interior Rivieras with red "official car" lettering on the side. There was an assignment list generated (each year) of the various cars make model and color, VIN, to whom they were assigned, and the track assigned number. Does anyone have any copies of this list? I will pay a fair price. I have found 6 of these car still in existence, but like most years the decals were removed before selling them so there may be many more. Most years the cars from the track are auctioned o the local zone dealers for sale, but in 1983 Buick had a large "yard sale" at the track and invited the public for a four day sale. Besides the Riviera convert, there were Skyhawks, Skylarks, and Century T-Types. Is there any proof any Riviera XX models were also at the track? Any photos of the other car models from the track? They would often have a windshield banner and Indy logos on the sides. Lastly, 1983 was the last year the Pace Car had flags on the back, replaced by the lights (which came out in 82). There were not many pictures of the car with flags, which were mounted in holes drilled into the bumper at the bumper guard area. The photo car appears not to have these flag holes. For the race there is a yellow and a green flag-the yellow one has an imprint of some sort on it-anyone know what it is? Anyone have any VINs of the Pace Cars, photo car, festival cars, Riviera XXs? Any other info that may be useful? Looking for something that can be backed up as fact, not just rumors. thanks so much
  19. Yes. please.And is the track number on the rear view mirror?
  20. I am researching the various Indy 500 Pace Cars for an upcoming book. Once I finish a year I create a facebook group of what I found in the hopes I will get additional information, corrections, etc. Here is the link: https://www.facebook.com/groups/491771989250688 Sorry if you do not have facebook but I do not know another way to post the info As with all the groups I would like to start a registry of the VINs-will be kept absolutely confidential. VINs and Cowl Tag info is invaluable when documenting cars. The 500 Festival created a spreadsheet with the car VINs, key numbers, and to whom the car was assigned. I have a great many of them since 1970, but am missing a few. Looking to purchase the sheets I am missing, with 1981 one of them. There is a link in this group for the other facebook sites of the completed years. Thanks
  21. I have thought of this, particularly an XLR chassis as it retains the Northstar. I have seen a few burned candidates but prices are still way up there. Also thought of something like a front subframe such as the early Camaros. I just hate the idea of junking a perfectly good Allante body because of all the other issues.
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