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I have a question : what if the antique vehicle is the only daily the person has, for whatever reason?
Are they then saying it is limited or can you register that vehicle as a regular driver?
I ask because I have one car that is my daily and it is 49 going on 50. So where would this leave me were I to live in Virginia? The implications to the poor and disabled / handicapped are obvious.
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Hey Frank, does your data plate on the car tell you the interior codes for paint and materials? If so, is there an authenticity manual or guide available from Chrysler originally that you might find on eBay?
If you know what materials or codes go with your car, SMS in Seattle is awesome. They matched my Blue '56 interior perfectly. But it is pricey. I hope to use them for repairs to my White '56 daily. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
(I am sure you know of SMS but I thought I'd add it to the thread anyway. ) <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
My Dad had a '48 Windsor and loved it, except for the fluid drive. He still remembers those seats for their comfort.
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I agree with Bob, it looks like a 1953. I love those old Dodges. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
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Jaxops, I finally was able to verify this on a car. You cannot see the split under the front seat, especially with the power seats, but digging around under mine without the mechanical equipment, there was about a 4 inch zone without carpet. Nice place to find all the crumblies that fall under from the cushions and eating, etc.. I did find a nice pair of plyers.
The only thing wrong with the current carpet is the area where the driver's heel rests. It is eaten through.
I can probably have that replaced. Right now the car has a set of generic blue foot mats. Perfectly servicable. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
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Thank you, Bob. I have a dash shot I can show. The car is in really good, old restored shape. Not original paint but I like the colors. Drives like a dream and cruises easily at 75 mph. It is really what I have always wanted from the beginning. I thought the '47 would be it for me, but when you have a desire for one car, one year, that is all that will suffice, apparently. I am very, very happy with her.
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Dynaflash8 - That is a lovely '39. My Mother's family a '38 sedan with a tire on the side that was simply gorgeous. Unfortunately it was a dog. Underpowered and refused to start. The car she learned to drive on was a big '40 sedan in black. Not nearly as sculpted as the 38-39s but a great car. They had that through the war which was interesting with Gas Rationing. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> Congratulations!!! She's a beauty.
Friends from England are visiting and brought us some small things, a homemade Christmas Pudding; I got some beautiful shirts, and a 1956 Cadillac series 62 sedan from my son. I drove it home last night.
Some dreams do come true. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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I would anticipate and fully support a new Packard in this field of mice. We need a wolf to thin out the herds. But please, make it look good (not like that sadly modified Hiundai I last saw). Badging and a familiar grill doth not a Packard make. Just look at the '58. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />
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Yes, the Cadillac LeSalle Club does produce manuals of authentication. These manuals are available in the various classes for all Cadillacs. I have the Class 15 1954-56 third edition. To quote the CLC website :
"The purpose of the Cadillac-LaSalle Club's Authenticty Manual Project is to document, as much as possible, the details of how Cadillacs and LaSalles actually looked when they left the factory and were delivered by the dealer. Under the direction of Fredus "Pete" Peters, the Club's Director of Technical Services, teams of Club members are preparing twenty-nine (29) such booklets, one for each class into which Cadillacs and LaSalles are grouped for national judging."
Please feel free to check them out at :
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The answer is that the carpet is in two pieces, front and rear, with just a little space between the front end and the rear. If you sit in the backseat, you might be able to see a little floor, though you should not be able to if done right. That is the answer for any who care to note it down.
Does anyone know if the carpet in the GM line of sedans like the Cadillac 6219 went front to back or was split at just under the front seat, and continued just under the front seat rear on back to give room for the seat mechanism? One piece? Two pieces or one piece in an hour glass shape?
Thank you in advance.
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Wonderful present!! Congratulations to your wife! What a lovely thing to give her. You did very well indeed!
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Thanks guys! The one on eBay is close. Hmmmm. Maybe I could bash kit one together.
I will keep looking and let you know what I find.
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Never mind.
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I believe my '56 has seat belts in front (I can see the ones in back). If they are there, I will use them.
I am not eager to be killed in an auto accident. My only concern on pre-war cars is how to fix the belt so it is secure. With all the wood involved in the car's construction, could this be a problem?
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Do any of you wonderful Buick people know if the Franklin Mint or other such group offer such a model, scaled 1:25 or so? I would love one to go with my collection. I have a Yang Ming 1959 Buick convertible and the Y-Job. Thanks in advance.
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Oh gosh, Olley! I did it again! Sounds to me like WEST Virginia is a great place to avoid at all costs, like most of the east and south. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
"What this town needs is an enima!!!!" The Joker - Batman <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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OOPs. My bad...I did not know <span style="font-weight: bold">WEST</span> * Virginia's law on seat belts was that strict. That would apply to adults as well? How is this going to effect the owner of the car? Can they be sued or are charges of negligent homicide being brought for not supplying the safety equipment? I imagine, that could get quite sticky.
I know in Colorado, seat belts are required if standard equipment or if they are in the car as add ons, and work, then they have to be belted.
* I stand corrected...again. <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
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Most of the SCCA drivers I know are very attentive and drive by the rules of the road. Sure it is a temptation to use the speed of the car and your knowledge to outdrive the common driver. I've done it. Many times. But one severe accident under totally normal conditions due the inattention, or debilitated awareness of one driver, taught me that no matter how good you are, the odds are against you.
I am with Diz on this. I do not go over the limits purposely (I have sped up too soon out of slower areas going from 45 to 60. Gotta wait to reach the sign, then speed up) and I try to follow the rules of the road ... all of them. Why? Because it gives me time to use my advanced training to benefit. You have a much better chance to avoid someone elses error if you are following the proper distance behind and at or below the limit, depending on traffic, road conditions and visability. Since this is an antique car site, I will also add that because I tend to drive very old cars, I have to take the reliability and general shape of the car into consideration. So, if everyone is running at 85 on a 75 mph limited highway, with a lot of traffic (so I would have difficulty maintaining 75 on cruise control for instance) then I let the general 2 to 3 second rule apply to speed. I may only travel 45 to 50 but that is what the traffic would allow even on a bright day. Stay to the right and be defensive, which does not mean passive ... it means to be very aware, watching a mile ahead if possible and a mile behind; using all mirrors.
Its fun now. I really enjoy driving, following the process. My son, at 21 and a competition driver with training above and beyond the SCCA requirements, drives more aggressively but just as carefully. I wish he would not run 5 over though. Unfortunately you cannot control anyone else but yourself.
Seat belts are a must. I hate them but they work. All that having been said, you still cannot control for the driver losing control, flipping the median and smashing into your car headon. So you do what you can and drive responsibly, safely and defensively.
Oh...on the driver of this accident. I feel for him. It is a shame to spoil a potentially good life with this kind of tragedy, but it is a hard lesson. Whether or not the family should or should not have brought the kiddies, the responsible party is the kid who hit them, for whatever reason. It is one thing to look at all sides and judge, but we have got to stop blaming the victims, especially if they cannot defend themselves.
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OK, I have held off saying anything on this board but I cannot hold back any longer. My son, who has been working to build my treasure fund for the restoration of the 6219 I have, has in fact been working behind the scenes to find a car that I can use and enjoy. Bless him, he did it and without me knowing. The only reason I DO know about it is because he had to clear it with me first because it does not have many options. Little did he know but I really have gotten away from all that stuff. What he found is a beautifully kept car, with 46,000 miles on it; all original interior which is a little worn but without tears or rips. A new paint job in the original colors, and an excellent driver.
The car has been garage kept for its entire life, owned by two people. It is a 1956 Cadillac 6219 sedan (redundant but not everyone knows the numbering sequence for this year). Its only options are the Wunderbarr radio, auto antenna, heater, and fog lamps. I do not know if it has electric seat, I hope not. It does have roll up windows. The interior is in blue heather with white Elascofab (vinyl). The steering wheel is uncracked and unblemished! I am very excited and it should arrive by Dec. 20th.
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Oh Cool, Steve!!! Way to go! I can hardly wait. I only have one in my collection but it is a beautiful 1955 Cadillac Series 60 Special! <img src="http://forums.aaca.org/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> (my bad...I thought it was a '56)
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Only a guess here, Norm. It looks like the small Volvo, the P120 or 210 perhaps. Might be an old Peugot but its too hard to tell. I am guessing off of the 'hand hold' on the dash and the shape of the rear window. Probably a coupe in any case.
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I stand corrected. I hope the hobby is around for a long, long time. Personally, it is not worth arguing about. If you hate modified cars...then don't include them.
Fight the trend.
Boycott those clubs that do but send letters, or better yet, signed petitions to the leadership.
Vote out those in the leadership who made the change. Most never vote according to club stats. If you don't vote, you have no right to [@!#!$].
Write op-eds to the magazines like Self-Starter to get the point across.
Create a movement to stop the inclusion of modified cars from leaking into the hobby. Besides, as has been pointed out, there are plenty of clubs centered on them anyway.
I love cars. I love original cars and non-mods. I can appreciate a modified car, but it makes me sad to think one more example is lost. That Caballero PeterG posted is a perfect example of a beautiful car being modified rather than properly restored, probably at as much cost.
But I will plead guilty to trying to be open minded, to accepting something other than what I like, or agree with. Obviously that is not the trend. Probably never has been.
If I ever get enough gelt to restore my '56 to original perfection, that is the only way she will be done.
And JB-ed, you probably know far more than I do on current trends in pre-war collecters, however, I can only speak for myself. I collect cars that give me that feeling, that reconnect me to the past and the times that were good for me. Nostalgia <span style="font-style: italic">is</span> a factor for me.
So, I stand corrected in my generalization. I should have said that nostalgia is one of the more powerful motives in collecting for me.
Tommy1927, you are right. Quit those clubs, send those letters....
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I have never used a deer whistle...a wolf whistle now and then but never a deer. Too much doe for the buck. (yuck yuck).
You all hit it on the head, Clipper. When driving in the mountains here in beautiful Colorado at dusk or dawn particularly, one must slow down and be observant. Highbeams are very useful too, because those wonderful creatures are dumb as fence posts. If you think Deer are bad...try nailing a full size Elk. Or worse, a rare Mountain Sheep, or a Bear for that matter. As always your best defense is your intelligence and forebearance (pun intended). Drive safely, defensively and to the <span style="font-style: italic">conditions of the road</span> !!!
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The choice to include and allow limited participation of modified Cadillacs in the CLC National was based on the membership at large. It was felt that, overall, a slightly modified Cadillac (modern brakes, updated interior to taste, non-factory paint, etc..) was better than losing the car altogether and on the acceptance that restoration often is too costly or involved. Whether or not you agree with that, it is a fact in these times of tightening fiscal restrictions and fuel costs, that many would rather see a Cadillac on the road than scrapped or left to rot.
No, it is not in keeping with the strict guidelines of any car club that seeks to preserve their marque(s) in original condition. That is the ideal and one I completely support. Nor is this decision a complete betrayal to that tradition. It is a nod in the direction of keeping the marque alive. Nothing lasts forever, and I honestly believe that eventually this hobby will end as we have known it for no other reason than time passing us by. Those who really get into old cars do it for the memories and nostalgia of the times, for the history of it and the incredible impact the automobile made generally on our world and outlook. For my part, I would vote against any further additions to this acceptance but whole heartedly support it as it stands. We must be able to change and accept change with the times, or not and do as Tommy1927, drop out and feel superior in his leaving the CLC.
I hate to see you leave, Tommy, but if you prefer to only participate in clubs that do not recognise modifications, then that is what you should do. I doubt the AACA or the CCCA will ever include modifications. As a member in the AACA, CCCA and CLC, I salute you for your priorities and commitment.
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I am sorry that you feel that way but every man, woman, and child has the right to make up their own minds. I may be involved in the new chapter for mods but I do so to keep an eye on it. Most of the guys would prefer restored Cadillacs to mods but some are constrained and others do what they can. Oh well.
Change is part of life. I hope you keep your beautiful Cadillac in its original shape. It will be missed.
Good luck to you, Tommy1927.
FS 1977 Eldorado Biarritz Gold - MUST SELL!!
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Approximately 105K on this fabulous daily driver or potential show car (with
a bit of TLC)! 30K of that mileage is from the last three years of highway
and in town driving. Her name is Tiffany and she sports almost new Goodyear
Regatta Iis, new shocks in front and new rear air shocks for an adjustable
ride! New belts, new K&N air filter! Most of her options are in working
order; her driver seat does not tilt forward correctly. Interior is in
fabulous shape, appropriate to her age.
From the outside Tiffany shows a bit of paint fade, but her cabriolet roof
is intact with no cracks!
All manuals available : Service Manual, Body Manual, Serviceman Articles
Spare Parts : two hub caps, right cornering lamp, new clock