IndianaCarGuy

Sorry I have not been on in a while, I felt my words were needed elswhere. To those of you who have never attended a Powwow,..please note,...no one is turned away, no one is unwelcome, and all are family. They are a homecoming of the soul, and a means of calling all who want to join in peace, community and strength derived from the tiny voices of individuals into the roar of reunion. I am joining with other members of my nations to ask the next few months to be a homecoming of spirit,... There is no doubt we are one,..there is little hope that we can all meet,..but please, come to powwow and join me in welcoming back the nations as one,..one people, one nation, one heart. It matters little where you go,..and if you cannot find one locally,..then e-mail myself, or any of those happening and we will make sure to place your name in our lodge. Please take care, and know you we are with you all, as we are with those we welcome in spirit.

Amazing,..building a museum before it has a staff or anyone to work in it. To someone who has studied and worked in both history AND museums,..this is a first.

HAHAHAHA! Well,..My respect for the AACA has grown, I was impressed that someone posted the exact value I had given these people,..and it had to have been a real revelation that their fortune dwindled in the sight of reality,...No, they have not bothered to answer my e-mails since this post came out, and I doubt they will,...as I am sure I BURST someone's bubble about getting rich from old cars! Take care, all you people who place enormous and unrealistic prices on your vehicles, we are not as dumb, or uninformed as you may think, and the internet has allowed us to get information, resources, and expert advice that can PREVENT people from being taken advantage of. With resources such as this site, Hemmings, and a host of experts within keyboard reach,...we can determine value, rarity, and locate a wealth of information within hours, not weeks or months.<P>Yeah,..I feel bad I am not going to be able to save a 1917 Cole from slowly rusting away into history,..but look how much I have gained in respect to available expert advice and resources. This is a wonderful place with great potential, and I am glad to be a part of it.

From the pictures I saw, it was a number 5, at best, all there and complete, but needing everything. There are also some incorrect parts that are glaringly obvious. I understand, and I agree, but I am making an honest effort,...and I am sure a reasonable person will see that. I have seen lots of #5 condition cars that the owner sees nothing wrong with them at all,.. "A little paint is all it needs" hahaha,... I wonder how many people actually realize what it takes to make a care a #2, or a #3? Any car that has been sitting, unmoved, unkept, unstarted, and NO maintenance is a number 5,..... anyone will tell you that who has worked on one.<P>By the way, I know the person who bought the 1913 Cole that some of those estimates are based on, in 1995,...it has since been restored, and was sold from the estate, in Illinois,..if anyone has seen a 1913 Cole 2-seater roadster which used to be in northcentral Illinois, please forward to me the owner's name or address. I think I have found a script clock for it. It is for a 1913 or 1914 model, and has a blue script Cole on it.<P>[ 09-02-2001: Message edited by: IndianaCarGuy ]<p>[ 09-02-2001: Message edited by: IndianaCarGuy ]

Much thanks. You just answered my question, as I already gave that amount as a value,... just wanted someone to confirm it. I would place it in #5 condition.

I am trying to purchase a 1917 Cole in Iowa, but the owner is reluctant to sell because they have no earthly idea what the car is worth. Although I have made an offer, and a decent one considering the condition of the car, which is not so hot, I was hoping I could locate someone honest and knowledgable in Iowa whom this person can contact to tell them it's worth as a car, and that I am not crazy or degrading this car. Please e-mail me or leave a contact note here.<p>[ 09-02-2001: Message edited by: IndianaCarGuy ]

Like to see the pictures of this engine, any idea what it was used for?

Or rather,...here I am.

depending on condition, restoration, model, etc.,.....$8,000 to $15,000 if it's really well done, less if it is not restored or poorly done. So find out more about it if you want more information.<P>RS

It's nice to hear of a vendor being both honest and informative,..I have bad days, too,...and I hope that never affects the way I treat people who come to me for advice.<P>RS

I have to agree on the actual value being at between 7 and 9 thousand. Anything beyond that will require putting more into the car than it is worth to restore, they are very nice cars,..but not extremely valuable, and have no great collector following (although they should!).<P>RS

Tried and True Linseed oil and beeswax is a product I have used on old finishes, such as a 1915 Kellogg telephone to preserve the old finish,..it is not sprayed on, but rubbed on, and then buffed, 24 hours later. If you have any questions about it, search for Tried and True Finishes, and you will find it, or E-mail me and I will descibe where to get it and how best to apply it. I have used it on original gunstocks, paints, bare wood and wagons as a preservative.<P>RS

I would like to know the governing body that licenses these people, too,..as I have done a number of informal appraisals for individuals and insurance companies, and they have generally worked out very well, when based on condition, make and required repair.<BR>RS

You'll need to get the model number, when it was restored, and at least a picture of it to get any idea, you can also go to the Hemmings Motor News site and get some idea of a value from the appraisal estimate part. It will still require you to know the model number and body style. There is currently a fully restored one, a 1920 Maxwell,..in hemmings for $14,000. Fully restored, that is not an unreasonable asking price. Depending on how old and how complete the restoration is, I'd estimate that it should go for no LESS than $6,000 if it is restored, was a complete restoration, and the work was done within the last 20 years, but THAT estimate is unfairly low, if it is in good condition. If it is in poor condition,... Unrestored, it might bring anywhere from $1,200 to $3,900.<BR>As you can see, there are way too many variables to give you a good idea. ASSUMING it is a good, complete restoration, $8,000 to $14,000 is a fair estimate,...but I would not stand behind that without seeing it personally.<p>[This message has been edited by IndianaCarGuy (edited 03-16-2001).]

Cannot locate a picture of a 1915 Oakland,... what size 6 is the motor? Also, where are you located?<P>RS

Technically? Cugnot in France, 1790 built a leviathon steam-powered 3-wheeler which had it's first run , and first wreck, in 1790-1791. Frontmobile was in about 1902,....but you asked about the FIRST front-wheel drive,...that was Cugnot. It is always difficult to determine firsts, without making mention of both the successes, and the failures. Commercial front-wheel drive success came FIRST in tractors, not automobiles, and it took a number of years to translate success and prosperity to a front-wheel drive. Be more specific about the type drive you mean, geared, belt, chain, friction or elliptic. The first truly successful front wheeler in the US was the Cord L-29,.....in 1929,..others came first, but few had much success. the first really successful four-wheel drive was the FWD which was seen climbing court house steps in several cities by 1903,...I would consider this the FIRST successful car,...it was bought out by General motors, and never followed up on. I doubt this answers fully your question, but, as I said,..one must be very specific when dealing with firsts.<P>RS

if there is no body,..what is there? fenders, hood, drivetrain and,....?<BR>RS

I don't have access to the magazine, can you include some pictures?<P>RS<p>[This message has been edited by IndianaCarGuy (edited 03-13-2001).]

I don't have access to the magazine, can you include some pictures?<P>RS

The Leslie cars were, I believe, built by the custom car maker Barris, in California, and has been passed around to many places,...I would imagine you need to check with someone who is more expert in the Barris cars, I think there was, at one time, either a museum or a collection of his cars. I imagine there is some records left of them somewhere, I was more intrigued by the car which was driven as the "Fatemobile" which had six wheels, as there was also a historical counterpart to it, the Reeves "sextoauto" which advertised a "Pullman-like" suspension,..it was made in about 1912-1913 in Columbus, Indiana by the Reeves Pulley Company, which was taken over by either Chrysler or Dodge. An eight-wheeled version, the "Octoauto" was also prototyped, on an Overland Chassis in 1909-1912. It is possible that one of the prototypes remains lost somewhere in Kentucky.<P>rs<p>[This message has been edited by IndianaCarGuy (edited 03-07-2001).]

Anyone know of any Chalmers cars out there which can be a good model for the rear seat, top bows and maybe a source for some parts?<BR>Found a 1917 which runs, but has a sad interior, no floorboards, and fender problems.<P>RS

negotiating,... this car has serious problems with being all there, and the owner is a car dealer. He neither knows much about the car, or what is needed to repair it. I made an offer and will let it stand for a while.<BR>rs

As usual,..thanks a lot for the info! I go to look at the car monday,... it seems complete, but it is pretty bad off.<P>RS

Does someone make an interior for these? I located one with NO wood, and I am considering buying it, if I can get some plans for the body wood, etc,...but I am NOT good at upholstery.<P>RS

14,...any other questions?<BR><p>[This message has been edited by IndianaCarGuy (edited 02-20-2001).]