Jim Bollman

Dave A, I agree with keeping the experts in classes they are not expert in unless the whole class fits his expertise. I have judged since the early 80s and have always followed that rule. I almost failed at last years Canandaigua show, they put me in a different class than one of the ones I requested and there was a Crosley listed. I told the team captain that I would try to judge like the cars I didn't know but wanted him to be aware. Turned out not to be a problem because the Crosley and a carburator problem and didn't get out of the trailer. He got his Junior at a show later in the summer.

Couple of days ago I pulled the carb of my 1950 F1 to see why it would not run at idle. Turned out the power valve had worked loose. Second time this has happened so I was not surprised. Last time I changed the style of PV and type of gasket and thought it was fixed for good. I held my breath and tightened a little tighter than I really though I should and put it back together and it runs great again. Had a nice drive yesterday. If it happens again I will consider LockTite.

Keeping your old, pre computer controlled, vehicles is a necessity so we have something to drive after the big ElectroMagnetic pulse (EMP) happens. For those that have not heard of EMPs you can google it. They can be caused by Nuclear events, non nuclear discharge and even by a bad sun spot. A sunspot event is possible next year. The short description is it could bring down all/most computers and sensitive electronic equipment, this would include the controls for our power grid. Our old vehicles will be the only transportation you don't have to pedal.

Actually fairly significant different in looks came about during the 46-48 and 49-52 time frame, not sure exactly when, I know by 49 they had switched. There were also several variations on the exact location of the filler, depending on the model. In general Dale is right that most years and models are interchangeable, but may not be right if you want the proper tank. Then if you happen to have a model that takes a special tank like an early pickup, FarmOroad, ?? the filler will just not work. The new fiberglass tank looks just like the steel one when installed and are the later style. Not cheap.

Highly modified, can't narrow down to 1949 from that photo, it is a 49-52 wagon based custom. Looks like the kind of thing a fire company or Shriner group would do.

Bill's chart doesn't work but his displacement class break does. The Model T has something like a 2.9L engine clearly above Bills definition.

They usually have a few past years for sale each year if you can wait till next October.

Crosley Tread (center to center) is 40" Not sure if tread and track are the same thing. FarmORoad has a 65" WB and can be as short as 96" total length depending on which bed is used. The rest of Dave's number look about right. It would be nice to know the reasons for developing class 4. Seems like a lot of people want to be in production class. Since cars are not competing with each other accept for being with in 10 points of highest car, not sure why an owner can't choose their class if the car can fit in more than one. An example, the Crosley Hotshot could be in sports class, production or 4B.

Saw this on another site and thought it fit the discussion.

Bill Clark mentioned The Micro Car Club. If I remember correctly the AACA classes that are for the Classics use the Classic Car Club of America's definitions of what a Classic is. Maybe Class 4 should use a similar guide line (at least as a starting point). Let those that specialize in small cars do the hard work.

I cleaned up the F1 and took a nice drive with a friend and had lunch.

10 or so years ago a neighbor of mine in the flea market found a car that he wanted. He had about 1/2 of the $20K+ he needed with him. In talking around to other neighbors that we have known for years (once a year at Hershey) about the car and he found the rest he needed from people that would take his personal check for some of the cash they brought with them. He ended up putting a large downpayment and picking up the car a couple of weeks later with the remainder of the money since he would have had to arrange a trailer and the seller was a couple of hours closer to him than Hershey. But was amazing to see how much cash you could raise from "Hershey Friends" if you needed to. It is truly amazing how much cash is at Hershey.

I'm lucky in that my wife has come to Hershey every year since 1971 (vending since 1972) accept 2 (when she was very pregnant and the next year when our son wasn't yet a year old). She holds down the booth while I shop as long as everything is priced. I have a great wife.

Sales were good, but then I have lower goals for sales then some. Pay for spaces - Good Year Pay for spaces and round trip fuel - Really Good Year Pay for spaces, round trip fuel and what I spent - Great Year Pay for spaces, round trip fuel, what I spent and have money left over - Fantastic Year I had a Fantastic Year.

I decided the cans are an indication that the carts think they have the right away and that all foot traffic should clear out of there way when we hear them coming.

We use to stay till Sunday morning. Keeping the space open till supper time on Saturday when all the neighbors got together for a potluck supper with whatever we had left. Slowly some of the neighbors died, stopped coming or left early but we continued our approach. Till one year not only were there very few left on the field but they decided to start pumping porta poties about 4AM (noisy and smelly) and picking them up soon after. We even had one vendor move over by us from a different part of the field because he was afraid to camp over night with no one around him. So now with 6 plus hours to get home and no place to sleep once we pack the truck, we start packing up after lunch and pull out on Saturday afternoon so we can make it home to our beds. Why some start packing up and leaving on Friday, no idea. Saturday is easier we were open for 4 hours or so on Saturday we had sales of one $8 item. Was actually better than a lot of years. For those that have been selling for a long time, Saturday has never been a big flea market day since the show is the big event for Saturday, some lookers but not many buyers. The other possible reason for people pulling out early is an extra day was basically added years ago by letting us in Tuesday morning, it use to be Wednesday, so now Tuesday has become the first sale day for many, by Friday afternoon some vendors have had enough.

Thanks a lot John, for looking up the numbers. You read the number correct on the pipe, I scribbled it on a piece of paper and miss read my own handwriting. That matches my memory for what I bought it for 35 or so years ago. Stuff always has a better chance of selling if you can label what it fits.

Here are some photos to make it appropriate for this thread. Also: Napa tail pipe had a second number 5786 When I opened for photos VR110HD has a Wells regulator marked VR-699-12v and the box is stamped on the inside as "Not of Our Manufacturing". That is a 4 foot ruller in the exhaust pipe picture.

Thanks, some good resources, but looks like they reused the regulator numbers since one is listed for a much earlier car than this appears to be for and the other one isn't listed.

They should probably add a few more sub-groups to class 4. At the very least they should break out vehicles over 1 Liter. If they are really as many cars as reported in the class more ways of slicing the group can probably be added depending on the mix of cars that are being shown.

In scrounging through my back shelves for some new stuff to bring to Hershey I found few items I need to ID. I use to have Napa and Filko catalogs but can't find them right now. Here is what I have found, all new. 2 Filko Voltage Regulators VR-110HD VRP-324HD Filko Distributor cap 6 cylinder AI-116 Napa Exhaust pipe 44240 I have vague memory that the Exhaust pipe is for a 67 6 cylinder Ranchero I owned years ago but not sure. Hopefully someone has their parts catalogs in better order than mine. Thanks

Our region was formed in 1974. I was 26 and had been a member of AACA for a few years already. I grew up in the hobby, being dragged out of bed before daylight to go to flea markets and car shows. Going to Hershey a couple of times in the 60s with my parents and another couple that owned a 15 Saxon and 15 T that I spent a lot of time under cleaning, since he drove them and showed them. Started going to Hershey on my own in 1971. When the region was formed I was the youngest by a fair magin. Still in the younger 1/4 of the club. Thinking back at who was in the region back in the early years I would guess the average age was probably mid 50s. Today probably late 60s would be the average age.

You can probably find someone closer but I met Bill Murphy (740-843-5408) from Portland Ohio this summer and saw some of his fabrication work and he is an artist. He could make you a new one using your patchwork piece as a pattern. He is currently doing some specialty pieces for Crosleys as a side project is how I got to know him.

Boy I can't get it right at all.

It probably brought big money because it was the rare submarine model.