Ed Kraft

Thank You very much, Dave, for this great information ! The particular value of this information is that it is quite well illustrated, and has the detailed explanations, that are almost impossible to find in other sources.

Summarizing everything, that Dave (countrytravler) wrote in this thread, and after a little analysis, I can say, that it is "late 35 1st series". Now we need to wait for a response from Dave.

Can You tell, Dave, if there were any differences in the general appearance of the "late 1935 1st series, and 2nd series 1935 and 1936" vehicles ?

It's highly doubtful, Dave, that roi's car wheelbase is 119 inches. In the "Dodge trucks parts list. 1934 and 1935 model series" book the 119" wheelbase is listed only for KCL and KCLX models (see the illustration below). This is, probably, where the letter "L" (I guess, this means "long") in the designations of these models comes from. Obviously, the base of roi's car is 111 inches - such feeling arises, when viewing the photos of his vehicle. To Mr roi: Your KC car looks really great (yes, according to old books, KC and KCL models were the commercial cars, not trucks). You might be interested in reading the thread about 1935 Dodge KC car here, and even try to contact the owner of that car, although it has been quite a while: 1935 Dodge KC Also, I think, You might find the following books helpful: 1) 1935 Dodge KC and KCL Instruction This book describes a car, produced in 1935, but most of the features of this car do not differ from the earlier production cars of those series. 2) Dodge trucks parts list. 1934 and 1935 model series This is Master parts list for all Dodge vehicles from those two production years. The titles and the links to these books are for the illustration purposes only. Such Dodge books from these years are not rare, so in other sources You can find the same books at different prices, in different condition, and so on. And I have no connection with the sellers of the books, that I have listed here.

Yes, thank You, 30DodgePanel. I know this source - I often turn to it, when looking for the answers to various questions on the historical automotive topics. However, the search is much more interesting not in the well-known sources, but through the requests on the Forums, since it can bring the results, that have been hidden so far - the useful information from the private collections can emerge. It is quite easy for the owners of such information to find and show it there (if they have the opportunity and desire to do this), and it can be extremely useful for some Forum members, since, perhaps, these people have been looking for such information for a very long time, not suspecting, that someone already has it.

Hello, Ed ! I enjoy reading Your thread, even though I don't own any vintage trucks either on my property or in the immediate area. As my experience studying the technical aspects of historical vehicles shows, Dodge has a much more complex history and more intricate model lines, than, for example, Ford or Chevrolet. Therefore, in this case, the more photos of different components of Your truck You place here, the easier it is to understand all the problem areas of this particular model. So, please, keep posting these pictures. Yes, that's right, it looks exactly like stamped steel in the photo. Ed, could You take some pictures of Your spoked wheel (without the rim parts, as in Your photo above) from the outside, and measure several sizes ? First of all, I would like to get the photograph of this whole wheel, taken not from the side, but directly from above, when the camera is positioned strictly horizontally, and the axis of the wheel is in one line with the axis of the camera lens. Are these spokes round or oval in their cross sections in their middle parts ? And I'm interested in knowing the following dimensions: - the outside diameter of the wheel, - the inside diameter of the wheel (between the sides of the wheel, where the spokes are attached to the outside part of the wheel), - the diameter of the black center disc, - the diameter of the end of the part, protruding out of the center black disc, - the width of the outer part of the wheel, - the thickness of one spoke in its middle part, - the width of that part of the spoke, with which it rests on the outer part of the wheel. You can use the private message to send me these photos. And thank You in advance, Ed !

Thank You both for new interesting images, countrytravler and 30DodgePanel ! The concept of "school bus", and their widespread use is a purely American phenomenon, coming from the old days. In other countries, oddly enough, this type of bus is much less common, although there are enough schools. For example, I have seen just a very few photographs from the United Kingdom and other countries, showing the buses with children. As I read somewhere, if necessary (for example, for excursions or holidays), they rented the buses from the ordinary carriers. Moreover - here I found some interesting information about the "First Student UK" company: "The brand was originally used in the United States for school transport, and was expanded to the United Kingdom in 2000. "First Student UK" was a pioneer in the introduction of task-specific school buses in Britain.". It turns out, that until year 2000 there were no special school buses in the UK. So about this Graham You posted, I'm pretty sure, it's a regular tour bus, or a bus for the intercity transportation. As for the design of its body - there is no secret. Given the direction of travel on the roads of Great Britain, it is safe to say that this bus had individual doors on its left side for each row of the seats. Such body is shown in the illustration below on the example of the Swedish bus on Volvo chassis (I could not find the photo of the similar body on Graham chassis). Obviously, such bus should have the doors on both sides of the body, but in this particular case, the bus customer, most likely, saved his money on the doors on one body side.

I am in Latvia, and not affiliated with any organization. The "private project" in my case means "the amateur research of one person". I understand, that for the serious researches on such historical topic it is necessary to work with the documents in the archives of many different countries, which would require a huge amount of time and money. It is not realistic to implement - I am no longer young, and I have many other things to do. Therefore, I do not set a goal for me "to become famous all over the World". I'm looking for the information "as luck would have it", based on the principle: "Something is found - this is great ! But if I can't find something - well, it doesn't matter; I do what I can.". I also understand, that in terms of the information, these searches can bring meager results, or bring nothing. But at least I'm trying. And if You, dear colleagues, think, that I am asking too much, or asking too many questions - tell me about this, and I will stop doing this.

To countrytravler: Thank You very much for the new useful material, Dave ! Truly, it is never too late to gain any knowledge. And indeed, as 30DodgePanel wrote above - what are the specification and exact model of that Dodge with a sleeper cab ? To kar3516: Excellent, dear kar3516 ! Certainly, Dodge trucks of the F60 series are in the range of my interests, and Your materials came in handy. Thank You very much, men !

Thanks for the advice, nearchoclatetown. I'll look up that list on the DBC site. As experience shows, there is never too much information, and several sources of information are always better, than one source.

Yes, there are much more questions about Dodge truck models, than, for example, about Ford or Chevrolet models. I would like to understand first, what some particular Dodge truck models looked like, and what were the main stages of changing their general appearance. In particular, in what year, and from what specific model did the standard angular Dodge cab (as in the F-30/UF-30 types, manufactured from 1930) change to a standard cab with rounded corners ? And in what year before 1940, and from what specific model did this cab with rounded corners change to an even more rounded standard cab ? So, I would like to see general views, chassis views (bird's eye views, general views, detailed views), views of the engines, axles, wheels from different angles of those trucks; it would be nice to see the dimensions of the cabs (if such illustrations exist). And the technical specifications of the models would be great. And, of course, the body builders layouts would be great here too. At the first stage, I am interested in models with a carrying capacity of 1,5 - 2 tons, produced from year: 1930 - UF-30, UF-31, F-30, F-31, F-35, F-36, F-40, F-41, F-42, Special 2 ton - 150 & 165 W.B. 1931 - UG-31. 1932 - UG-30, UGS-50, G-30, G-31, GS-50, UG-43, UG-44, UGS-55, G-43, G-44, G-55. 1933 - H-30, H-31, H-33, H-34, H-43, H-44. This list is based on data from the Chrysler's "Model chart and serial number guide includes 1953 model starting serial numbers" book. By the way, I carefully read this early thread - Any idea what year this is ? - in which You took an active part. The illustrative materials in that thread show approximately, what materials I am interested in. I have kept the materials from there in my collection. Other stages will be devoted to the trucks of other types, payloads, and years of production.

Thanks for the suggestion. Yes, these are exactly the layouts I'm looking for. But, if it were that simple, the life around would be much easier. I wrote already to this seller some time ago, but he did not respond to my request in any way... Thanks for the good stuff, Dave ! Obviously, the old books contain a lot of useful information and illustrations ! It is interesting to know Your opinions, dear colleagues, what is the exact model and year of the school bus chassis, the photo of which is placed above ? It was also unexpected to see a three-axle KS-75 heavy duty truck - I did not suspect the existence of this model ! I have a copy of the Chrysler Corporation book "Model chart and serial number guide includes 1953 model starting serial numbers", which, among others, lists the models and serial numbers of Dodge trucks since 1920, but KS-75 model is not there. I wonder, what starting and ending serial numbers were assigned to the vehicles of this exact type ? Thanks again, Dave ! It would be nice, if such materials about Dodge products continued to be posted here - if there is such opportunity, of course. Best regards, Ed.

Thanks for Your answer, Dave ! I have already read Your posts in other topics, including those, where You wrote about Your strong involvement with Your work. Yes, this is indeed a pity, since You have already mentioned Your collection of Dodge materials and literature, and I am pretty sure, that You could help me with them. I even wrote an e-mail to You on September 15 this year with a similar request. But life is life, and work is work - there is nothing to argue against these arguments... Well, I will have to be patient, and wait until You have the time and opportunity to answer me in detail. And yes - Your tow truck is beautiful ! Thank You very much for these photos. This type of truck is one of those, that interest me. Best regards, Ed.

Hello ! While browsing the AACA Forum, I noticed, that here are quite a lot members with a lot of interest and knowledge about Dodge Brothers and Graham Brothers trucks from the 20s and the 30s. I also have an interest in old American trucks, and have been trying to collect the information and materials on the vehicles, made by some American manufacturers from the mid 20's to 1940. In particular, I'm interested in the information on Dodge trucks from 1929 to 1940, and on Graham trucks, built before 1929. My exact interests in Dodge trucks are limited by two conditions: 1) I'm interested in the information on any Dodge truck, that had a load capacity of 1 ton or more (not 1/2 ton, and not 3/4 ton). 2) I'm interested in the information on any Dodge trucks, that had steel cast spoked wheels with rubber tires, and pressed steel wheels with holes (like the 1930s Ford and Chevrolet truck wheels) with rubber tires (not wooden spoked wheels). Unfortunately, the Internet has very few detailed information about the trucks of those years. Therefore I decided to write here to ask for the help in the following: - does anyone here have Dodge salesman books from 1929 up to 1940, sale data books, or other sources, that contain the body builders layouts/diagrams of different types of Dodge trucks, that meet my conditions ? I don't mean simple size diagrams, that are in many sales brochures, but the drawings for the body builders with detailed dimensions of the trucks chassis. I'm looking for this information for a private non-profit project, that explores the history of the American trucks in Europe from the mid 20's to the 1940. If such Forum members are here - could You, gentlemen, share these layouts with me ? I shall be very grateful to You for the answers, and for Your help (in case if You kindly agree to help me with these materials). And, if You have similar body builders layouts/diagrams for any Graham trucks, that meet my conditions (1 ton or more, steel wheels with spokes or pressed steel wheels) - I will be very happy. Best regards, Ed.

Hello ! I am very interested in the following: - were there truck tire catalogs between 1926 and 1940, showing the illustrations of the full tread pattern ranges of these tires ? I have seen some booklets and brochures online, but they only show examples of 2-3-5 tread patterns. Or in those days the number of tread patterns of the produced truck tires was really small ? Perhaps, some of You have seen such books in the Internet, or have similar books in their collection, and can share links to such resources, or share information ? Thank You in advance.