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5 hours ago, Mark Wetherbee said:
It’s still going to depend on your budget…
I know of a 1908 S in original condition with lots of extra parts but the buy in is something near 35k, in the same barn is an unrestored 14 T with all its original paperwork and history (Miss. Vicory for the people who remember Bill Eads) but that might be in the 16-18k ballpark…
You can find later T’s and they are still a lot of fun for less money than anything brass. Or if you don’t mind big boxy 20’s sedans they are very reasonably priced and can yield a lot of smile value. If you are mechanically inclined there’s a ton of deals that need work, and remember that the worst thing you can buy is a cheap car, you will pay for it at some time. I bought my Pierce as a running driving car and put a little over 10k into making it actually run. New brakes, wiring, pistons, rods, etc etc etc - heck there’s $2500 in tires alone! It adds up fast…
Here’s a Franklin on Facebook that could be a great car if you want to do a little work, just remember what I just said above
Thanks for the advice...Would potentially be interested in hearing a bit more about the mentioned 1908 Model S Ford and/or 1914 Model T Ford. Thanks
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5 hours ago, 3makes said:
I've been following the OP's desire to find an early car. One thing I've not seen is his location. If he provided that information he might get more assistance. An individual living in Maine isn't going to provide any help to someone living in California, where someone on the west coast just might.
Currently in FL if that helps. Willing to potentially go long distances for a Vehicle though, etc. Even if that may mean across state, county, and/or geographical (oceans, etc) Borders, etc. Though may depend on various factors, etc...Thanks
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5 hours ago, auburnseeker said:
I bought that 49 Plymouth the summer I was 18.
Helped I like all types of cars so I was happy to buy the common man boring cars to still enjoy that old car feel. Actually that summer i worked at a Marina and when I drove it to work on decent days, I would take it for a ride on back roads during my lunch break. One particular drive i knew i could take and make it back before the end of lunch. I actually don't think I ate much lunch that summer, Spent most of my time driving the car.
Taking a bit of a road trip can be cool experience, especially when in and/or with a transportation option one may have a connection too, etc (and/or also in the company of others one may have similar friendships, etc with, etc). One could say that with Gas Prices, etc taking those lengthy drives, etc may not necessarily be as economical...Though can still be FUN, LOL...Thanks for the comment, Thanks
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5 hours ago, Peter Gariepy said:
Some random advice...
Pay your dues. Join a club or two. Volunteer your talents. Built a website for the club. Help restore a raffle car. Help put on a local car show. Volunteer at a local car museum. Meet other car people and interact and become friends with them. Trust me, if you plant those seeds, opportunities will arrive you couldn't imagine.
As to starting with an early car. I commend you for having high goals. But consider a more modern antique in the meantime. Availability, cost, access to parts, the ability to drive it, even as a daily driver, might be more practical start for your first antique automobile.
Welcome to the hobby.
Cool advice there...Would like to potentially "get out there" a bit more. Not necessarily much older vehicle local stuff, though there may be some decent opportunities, etc. Definitely cool to do stuff a bit more in-person than over the internet, etc...Thanks
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5 hours ago, 1912Staver said:
There is another reason to move up a decade or so from a 1916, usability. A few 1916 and older cars can be driven in regular traffic as long as you are in an area where 40 MPH won't cause a big hold up to other drivers, powerhouse Whites excepted. You can drive them almost anywhere except perhaps an Interstate.
But most 1916 and older cars really will need to be trailered to events and Brass Era runs. Many of the cheaper ones are really only 30 - 35 MPH cars. So that means in addition to the car itself, there also has to be room in the budget for a truck and trailer. As you get into the mid and later 20's the cars become a lot more road capable. A few will cruise along at 55 - 60.
Thanks for the advice.
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6 hours ago, edinmass said:
This one was 82 HP.....and a one off........191518 years old buys you a ton of slack............so now it puts things in better perspective. I’m willing to give you a few leads........PM me with a number you can work with........
Also, fly down to Florida, and get a chance to drive all my cars and a few others.......always willing to help out the young guys......I was one, forty years ago!
Cool car pictured there. Thanks for the reply. Will try to potentially PM you with some details. Where abouts in Florida are you, as also currently in Florida. Could be cool to find more local guys to get advice from ,etc...Thanks
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6 hours ago, CChinn said:
Sandow, Welcome to the club and good luck with your search! Hope you find the car you are looking for. Now that the “established members” know more about you, I think you will get great advice without the commentary.
To the established members: Sandow is the type of new member you are always looking for. He’s not a one and done poster, he has replied not once, but to each and every one of your posts so far! He listens, is respectful and as an 18 year old, he truly is the future of this club. Now let’s help him!
Thank you for the support...appreciate some of the advice given so far, etc. Thanks
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6 hours ago, JV Puleo said:
I didn't realize you were that young...and presumably don't have $30,000 for a "first old car." I can identify with that because I'm much older and still don't have that much to spend. I bought my first antique car at 19...it was a 1927 Cadillac 7-passenger sedan that had once belonged to the Governor of Rhode Island. It was in fabulously original condition — quite presentable although at the time (1970) all the "experienced" collectors looked down their noses at a closed car.
I'll share a further word of advice...rather than pre-1916 I think you will have a much better chance of finding something reasonably good in the 1916-1927 time frame. This is about the least popular era (at the moment)...remembering that car collecting is as subject to fashion as ladies clothing. I'd steer clear of anything that will require much plating and it's probably safer to stick with a fairly well-known make. Buicks come to mind...they were well made, there are a lot of them and, as a result there is a good pool of knowledge available. I'm sure there are others as well such as Dodge, REO and Hudson. All of these have an enthusiastic following but have never attracted the kind of money that might make even a 4-door sedan project unaffordable.
You also haven't said if you have any mechanical skills. I confess to having bought my first old car with none at all. My took kit consisted of a set of 3/8-drive Craftsman sockets and some open-end wrenches my father bought in 1950...(and as far as I know, never used). My question is more to the effect "are you willing to learn how to do most of the work yourself?" rather than "can you do it." We all had to start somewhere and there is no faster way to learn than by actually doing things.
Thanks for the advice, 1927 Cadillac 7-passenger Sedan sounds like a neat Vehicles. The enclosed cars are cool too. Originality is decent too...Would like to potentially Learn Too. Also potentially in search of books and/or other literature if you know of any. Getting to maintain and/or work-on stuff can also be a bit of an experience too...Thanks
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7 hours ago, John_S_in_Penna said:
Sandow, I saw your note that you're currently 18.
I got my first antique car a month after I graduated
college--a 1957 Buick. So I know what the search is like.
I own only one early (pre-World War II) car, of 1916 vintage.
I got it long after my first antique. I didn't put out want ads,
but I talked to various owners at shows to find out about them,
their speeds, their maintenance needs, etc. One expert
car restorer was my mentor, did needed servicing and repairs
after I got it, and even taught me to drive it.
The criteria were fairly broad, too: Something in the 1930's
or before, fairly large, and of a make that is seldom seen,
to make it interesting at shows. A Viking, a Roamer, a Paige, etc.
would have fit the bill. I ended up finding a Locomobile.
Locomobiles are decent vehicles, 1957 Buicks are decent too also...Thanks
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1 hour ago, John_S_in_Penna said:
I don't have that impression. I think he wants to find a
car from a long-term, caring owner, and not overpay
in a for-profit commercial situation. We all like cars like that.
Such an owner may have had the car for many years,
be very knowledgeable, and even mentor the next
generation in its operation.
Thank you for the comment...Means also potentially a bit more amid the various other comments. Just turned 18 not too long ago and/or started looking when around 16 and/or a bit previous. Have met some decent guys locally, as well as what some would consider afar, who have been somewhat helpful and/or advice giving. Especially a very charitable gentleman who sent a package of books from up state who would like to give a bit of a shout out too. As well as somewhat of a local Gentleman who accompanied and/or went and looked at a 1916 Model T a bit ago. Especially a bit thankful as there were what some may call "a few GPS complications" along the way, LOL. Willing to potentially be a bit patient as would potentially be nice to have a vehicle for a Long While. Thank you for the comment...
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1 hour ago, 1912Staver said:
trimacar, that's a good one ! I get the feeling that all these years I have also been looking for a Unicorn. A mid size , 1908 - 1912 basket case , at least 90% complete . And no dramatically damaged parts. Icing on the cake , West of the Rockies.
30 years ago I had no idea I was looking for a Unicorn. It's amazing how much you learn over the decades.
Potentially, LOL
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2 hours ago, trimacar said:
The way I read this is that the poster is looking for an early car at well below market value.
I’ve known that to happen to a few collectors, in fact it happened to me, on a couple of occasions.
Usually, one doesn’t just walk-in the door and make such a deal. It usually involves months or years of contact with the owner of such a car, developing a trusting relationship, and the owner deciding that you are the person who should have the car.
As mentioned, once an owner dies and family inherits the car, it’s all about money. This is sometimes exacerbated by the owner bragging about how much a car is worth. I lost a Pierce convertible coupe like that, owner died, had told kids car worth 100k. I offered 50k and kids got mad at me. Went to auction 1000 miles away, sold for 56k.
Good luck in your search, but if you keep looking for a unicorn, you’ll never own a horse.
Appreciate a bit of the advice. Not necessarily looking for something "Well Below" "Market Value," Though wouldn't necessarily complain (wouldn't necessarily want them to be ripped-off though). In terms of family's squeezing money out of various inherited "Assets"....potentially it can sometimes happen. Unicorns can be cool though when spotted, as they say...LOL
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3 hours ago, big daddy truck said:
Well, I must say there are some weird responses here, but let me add, I love the cars pictured and offered for sale here. Great options. Now, spend your money Dude!!
LOL, appreciate what I assume is support. Some of the posters of various Comments potentially mean well, though not necessarily how its coming off...Thanks for the comment
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4 hours ago, auburnseeker said:
Like Ed said, get in and have fun. This is what I started with. Cost me $1200 in 1993. Drove it for a year (until snow hit) and sold it next season for a small profit after a bunch of improvement Western Chrome , some tires, etc. Used that and a few hundred bucks to get something a little better. So on it went.
Most recent car I got was the second. A bit more money and alot of cars later but you end up with stuff like this, if that's your taste. I also went from that first car to about 8 and from a little 2 car garage to 2 large garages. But you never get to the later without first starting at the bottom. Unless of course you win the Lotto. Now that would be a fun way to start.
Winning the Lotto wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing, LOL...Thanks for the advice
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4 hours ago, Brass is Best said:
Ed, If you ever stumble into a garage and they are giving away 60 hp brass cars get me one. Not picky on color or body style. I will even buy you lunch for the effort, Andy
LOL...
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8 hours ago, Dandy Dave said:
Also, If your goal is to tour with the HCCA. Then you need a pre 1916 Automobile. I have a 1915 C-37 Buick here in bushel baskets and boxes that I can put back together for you for $100,000. A 37 HP Buick isn't bad to tour with. Is the car worth that? Most likely not. But my time and expertise making it road worthy is. Oh. Did I mention that I have the history also. That is worth something. Dandy Dave!
Potentially...Thanks for the offer.
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16 hours ago, John_S_in_Penna said:
Mr. Sandow, did you pursue any of the cars
from your prior (2020-2021) thread? There
were some good possibilities.
I suggest: Keeping your eyes open on the Hemmings
Motor News website, and also the website of the
Horseless Carriage Club of America (www.hcca.org).
Rather than our putting forth a huge variety of cars
of various prices, you can determine for yourself what
you really like. Some are for sale by long-term caring
owners.
Thank you for the post...Had looked over and/or talked to some of the various potentially previous owners to vehicles mentioned on some of the previous posts made. Have had some vehicles that came close to having a "Deal Made," though in some cases it hadn't really worked out in some ways, etc. Have some potentially local vehicles that may work out, though nothing necessarily "In Writing." Appreciate the leads and/or support of the various sources from then and/or now...Thanks
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16 hours ago, JV Puleo said:
Actually owning a car is the ticket of entry. Until you do that you will be just one of hundreds (or thousands) of dreamers who have no more realistic an idea of what is possible than the average ebay seller of "rare" (i.e. common as dirt) junk.
I say that from personal experience...when I got back into old cars, after many years in the wilderness, I looked for a long time for something I could afford. It it was only when I actually took the plunge that I became a creditable voice in the game.
Thanks for the advice...Currently taking steps to potentially get there. Would like to potentially "Take the Plunge," so to speak. Looking for that potential Vehicle...Thanks
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17 hours ago, Crusty Trucker said:
Did anybody notice ? We just had a full moon. Might just explain some recent posts !
LOL...Thanks
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17 hours ago, Gunsmoke said:
So as I understand this post SANDOW, you are looking for a pre 1917 (brass era) car that has been with the same owner for many years, may have been let deteriorate a bit, and which the now elderly owner is not so much interested in getting full market value, but rather is interested in finding the old girl a new owner who will give it some TLC. OK, now I understand. By the way, there are probably 10,000 other members on here who would like the same thing.
POTENTIALLY...Not really looking to rip-off anyone and/or a full project may be okay too. Willing to potentially have a bit of patience for a Vehicle that I'd probably like to have for a Long While (Instead of a cheap car to re-sell as some do). Also looking for Books and/or literature if you know of anyone, Thanks...
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17 hours ago, edinmass said:
One can spend their life looking, kicking tires, advertising, and emailing...........pull a trigger. Get in the hobby, buy a car, drive it, improve it, and move up. Dreaming that you will find a 60 hp brass car for free is just that.... a dream. Put some skin in the game...........buy a 16 T.......cheap, fun, and easy. Side lines are no fun.......get in and play. Start at the bottom and move up......99 percent of us here did it that way.
Wasn't necessarily looking for high-horsepower and/or an expensive car for free. Was actually potentially looking for a 1916 Model T Ford, though some think they have a $30,000 vehicle. Not really looking to get a car that isn't potentially a good fit either. Willing to potentially have a bit of patience for a Decent vehicle planning probably on having for a long while. Maybe if you spent a bit more time giving encouragement and/or Time teaching the younger generation you may potentially do more good than trolling posts on the AACA site...
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10 hours ago, Terry Bond said:
You've been looking for 2 years, posting on multiple forums and have been offered some fantastic cars and excellent leads without buying. Are you still kicking tires or serious this time?
What is the potential point of asking a question such as that...it seems as if you may be lookin' to start something that most may consider negative. Some neat vehicles and/or potential "Deals" have possibly come up, though it seems that it hasn't necessarily worked out yet (Possibly for "The Better"). Though still potentially interested and/or considering the options. Not really trying to waste anyone's time if you were potentially getting at something along those lines. Positive support may be appreciated. Thanks for the response....
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11 hours ago, Brass is Best said:
I have a few great ones. www.petersmotorcars.com
Looking to potentially get something from a long time owner and/or family rather than resale. Sometimes they've been takin' care of and/or potentially get more history on it, etc. Usually more about preservation than monetary compensation as well in some cases. Some haven't always been takin care of the best, though may be cool to talk directly to the family of long time owners and/or etc..Thanks for the offer though
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11 hours ago, West Peterson said:
I've got a 1910 Ford delivery with an authentic Schurmier delivery box on it (http://www.coachbuilt.com/bui/s/schurmeier/schurmeier.htm. Older restoration, with ca 1915 rear end. Good runner. $38,000
Thanks for the offer, cool lookin' vehicle...Thanks
Looking for a 1916 Vehicle and/or Previous...Thanks
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Neat lookin' vehicle, thanks for the comment. Potentially interested, will maybe potentially consider a bit more...Thanks